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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 1, 2006 2:36:46 GMT -5
Someone just posted this on SermonIndex!
I can't believe someone has a problem with that video!
How far we have fallen from biblical preaching!!
I thought that I came across as gentle and compassionate, yet firm and convicting. But apparently I was hard, cold, mean, and hateful!!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 1, 2006 3:05:07 GMT -5
This was my response:
Bartle,
Chill out dude.
Actually, that young women in the video I'm told broke down in tears of repentance and spoke with a preacher for a long time after I had ministered to her. God was working on her.
The Holy Spirit wants to convict the world, not comfort the world. The Holy Spirit comforts saints in persecution, but He convicts sinners in sin. And as preachers, we must work with and not against the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit wants to convict of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come John 16:8 . So if we are to work hand in hand with the Holy Spirit, we must not comfort sin, neglect righteousness, and ignore the judgment to come.
The Apostle Paul had this relationship or partnership with the Holy Spirit when he preached. "And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee." Ac 24:25
Nonetheless, some would argue that Paul was wrong and he only turned Felix off just as John the Baptist turned Herod off by calling him a name - adulterer. But that would just be further proof that God's ways are not their ways and that God's wisdom is what many call foolishness.
A role that the Holy Spirit plays in the conversion of sinners is that of conviction Joh 16:8 , but a preacher too must seek to have his messages convicting. Tit 1:9
How far we have fallen from biblical preaching. I'm sorry you don't like that video Bartle. It's full of the love of Christ and the fear of God. The preaching was about, what Gideon Ousley called, "The disease and the cure". I preached about sin and preached about the Savior.
I'm not trying to reconcile God unto the world, I'm trying to reconcile the world unto God. I'm not trying to make God acceptable unto sinners, but I want to see sinners made acceptable unto God. It's not about sinners accepting Jesus, but it's about Jesus accepting sinners. Ro 12:1
But, my preaching wasn't meant to please you. It wasn't meant to please anybody, except for God. And if it's true, that that young women turned from her sin and turned to Jesus, then all of Heaven rejoices.
"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil." Pr 16:6
"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men" 2Co 5:11
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Post by evanschaible on Oct 1, 2006 14:09:32 GMT -5
I thought you were great brother. Who cares who frowns if God smiles.
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Post by dale on Oct 1, 2006 14:32:11 GMT -5
No, in all honesty, I cannot define you in these terms such as hard, cold, mean and hateful, though it is easy to see how some onlookers not used to streetpreachers would see you as such. I could define it in all seriousness as "Your heart is in the right place, but your brain is out to lunch" and I mean that in dead seriousness. I see how you can be taken this way by onlookers and part of this is your own fault and the way you present yourself, BUT for better or worse, your heart is in what you doa nd your enthusiasm overrides common sense I think.
No matter what you do, you will find someone who will love it and someone who will hate it.
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Post by oap001 on Oct 1, 2006 15:05:34 GMT -5
I'll view this when I get a chance. Just one comment. If one says something about preaching and is a little critical. It doesn't mean they have sin in their lives and they are offended by the Word of God. Consider...and I'm not really making a reference to you Jessee, consider that it may be some of these other things we talked about. Also, the extreme "Lordship" people are just as carnal as the extreme once saved always saved people. Because the extreme Lordship people are standing on their own works of righteousness. We need a new heart......
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Post by Josh Parsley on Oct 1, 2006 15:09:55 GMT -5
Much of the Church has fallen from Biblical preaching. I had a couple of people post on my blog the common "Jesus didn't come to condemn people. He ate with sinners."
Which is a straw man. I don't go out there to condemn people because they already are, but that they should be saved through Jesus. I also enjoy having the opportunity to buy lunch for "sinners" and eat with them.
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Post by oap001 on Oct 1, 2006 17:07:29 GMT -5
But I'm not presenting a straw man argument and that's always the answer that is given when one says salvation is by grace through faith. And others who add works....want to attack that.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Oct 1, 2006 19:52:51 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about you PA. I was talking about the poster on my blog.
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Post by oap001 on Oct 1, 2006 20:08:18 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about you PA. I was talking about the poster on my blog. Ok..sorry.
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Post by oap001 on Oct 2, 2006 6:21:51 GMT -5
Great preaching...nothing hatefule here.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 2, 2006 9:38:37 GMT -5
Jesse, you fail to mention that pretty much everyone rebuked you.
It was not only concerning that video.
1- I posted an article.
2- You slightly rebuked it.
3- the Body of Christ corporately came against you, with a few exceptions.
4- I'm sure that the Brethren who corporately rebuked you are not all deceived, brother.
5- It may do well to receive some instruction from this experience on SI, as no man is an island.
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Post by luketentwo on Oct 2, 2006 11:49:04 GMT -5
I watched it and I believe it is Biblical preaching. Keep preaching Jesse.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 2, 2006 13:54:18 GMT -5
I recieved this little word of encouragment in a private message on SermonIndex:
Basicly what this all comes down to is a different perspective, a different theology.
I believe in preaching to sinners as criminals. Bartle and others believe in preaching to sinners as victims. I believe in confronting sin. Bartle believes in "meeting needs". I believe in preaching so as to convict sinners. Bartle and others believe in preaching so as to comfort sinners.
You know what this means? It simply means that we disagree.
We need to be mature enough to disagree. Some people cannot be this mature and quickly resort to judging, condemning, name calling, and even questioning a persons salvation.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 2, 2006 15:57:20 GMT -5
Brother Jesse, the gist of comments are not coming from one video, brother.
Re read the board's comments.
I think you're being partial here.
Neener neener neener
As a side bnote, i love your videos.
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Post by menorah on Oct 2, 2006 19:24:15 GMT -5
There is a vast difference when someone preaches and they themselves realise it is not them but God speaking, it is way above them. We are to take in the word of life. Be consumed by it. Dead to self totally and our own reasonings and let the Spirit move. Let the fire of God consume all that is not of Him. Jesus I am sure did not look at sinners as criminals maybe that was a wrong choice of word. They are lost and need Light. The Life of God shone upon Paul the worst of sinners...so that he could see his need of Christ..It is like you are saying anyone who doesnt look at sinners as criminals must look at them as victims thats not true.. they are sinners. There are some who realise they are sinners and in need of salvation never mind about the needs. We are to bring them to a saving grace and the church should help meet needs practically as the family of God; as in Acts. There is a difference in a preacher who God has a hold of because they have immersed themselves in the word and much time praying in the presence of God... who realises the enormity of the hour is beyond him himself and that it has to be God; he speaks forth Gods words of fire from the throne room of Grace and Mercy. Jesus did what? What he saw the Father doing and spoke what he heard him speak. Not what he heard another man speak or what he saw another man doing. Is Christ seen when we preach wherever we are in the street on the pulpit? I know such a man personally who has just returned from the Phillipines preaching to Pastors. The first day he was attacked with a great feeling of depression and in his hut great big spiders the size of your hand kept appearing on the ceiling and everywhere.. he could hear them running in the straw roof..., some of them can bite and kill. He said a voice said Go Home you are not meant to be here Go. But because of the words the Lord had spoken to him before he left the UK he knew he was to stay and Just prayed and fell asleep. The next day he said he preached and it was totally God..he preached like he had never preached before way above himself... he was learning as he was preaching. The church was repenting in tears for doing things mans way..it was like a revival as all were convicted of sin. It was not an ear tickling 2 weeks it was pure conviction but it was also Gods Love. This man is a man of tears and full of Gods Love.. as he preaches those words that the Lord lays upon his heart.. those words will bring conviction.. Listen without Love we are a clashing cymbal. A stern word can still be given but how it comes across depends upon what is the preachers heart towards the Lost either compassion and love or Pride and hate. Have you ever spoken words maybe some part of your testimony to a stranger and yet that little part of your lifes story of how God moved in your life or something God had shown you..and it was the very thing they needed to hear. A divine appointment? Those times just have me in awe of God that he orchestrated it that way, nothing to do with me. Right place right time right words unbeknown to me, until the person said says they needed to hear that for a situation they were actually in a the time. Rivers of life flowing forth from our bellies. God can only use those with a humble and contrite heart. We are vessels for his use. Empty of self, so we can be filled fully with Him. Nothing of flesh can bring life nothing. Many have hewn out cisterns that hold no water. Meaning they hold no life. Many can preach from a pulpit or on the street in theological eloquence but the reflection in the mirror is still the man and not the Lord Jesus, if it is not what the Lord has quickened them to speak for that hour. You leave the place the same infact it brings death and not life. If you go thinking they are criminals then in a way it is saying you are better than them? We must remember what we were saved from oursleves.
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Post by evanschaible on Oct 2, 2006 21:36:02 GMT -5
Preach hard! Looking forward to lubbock
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Oct 3, 2006 1:51:23 GMT -5
I found nothing wrong with you preaching!
It is exactly what is needed today!
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Post by eric on Oct 3, 2006 8:32:07 GMT -5
You gave her the truth. No eyebrows went up while my wife and I watched it. Don't let those comments slow you down...
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 3, 2006 18:10:16 GMT -5
There was a post on here earlier that was deleted. Someone (I am not sure who it was) made some ridiculous comment about Ruben mentoring Jesse now.
How is it that just because Jesse goes to a conference to preach with someone, now that person is mentoring him?
Comments like this go to show that many of these guys need to be more careful about what they say. It is obvious they do not know what they are talking about.
I don't think Jesse is trying to be like anybody except for Jesus. I think he tries to learn from everybody he can.
Most of the people making these ridiculous comments like "Ruben is mentoring Jesse now" could learn much by watching people like Ruben, Jed, Jim Gilles, etc. even if they don't agree with everything they do.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 3, 2006 18:26:56 GMT -5
I also think that comment was silly; however, I also believe it was a post from SI, and only one point of many.
Anyhow.
I thank our Lord that Jesse is seeking to be like Jesus.
To be like Ruben would be sin.
To act like Ruben would be filthy, abominable and wicked.
Praise God Jesse is seeking to be like Jesus!
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 3, 2006 18:39:24 GMT -5
biblethumper,
Just what is your point to go on and on with this sort of thing anyway? Jesse and Evan like Ruben and so do I. You don't and we all know that.
I don't really understand your comment about "if you disagree with Ruben then it raises the wrath of OA".
Is that supposed to mean that most people agree with Ruben? I have found that most people do not like Ruben. It seems to me if you wanted to raise the wrath of OA the thing to do would be to support Ruben.
You know biblethumper you are really the only one on here I know of that goes on and on about people like Benny Hinn, Phelps, Hillsong, and Ruben.
Most serious Christians I know of are not TBN watchers. They don't pay much attention to Benny Hinn.
I don't consider Phelps to be a Christian.
I used to like some of Hillsongs music and did not know much about them until I heard about some of the church practices on this website.
I know Ruben, I support his preaching, and consider it a privilege to be his friend.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 6, 2006 0:05:54 GMT -5
Jesus Christ Himself said:
Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Sinners are not ignorant simply needing information. They are criminals needing to be confronted. They are not poor victims. God doesn't send sinners to hell because they are victims. He sends sinners to hell because they are criminals. Jesus didn't die the death of a criminal because sinners are victims. Jesus died the death of a criminal because sinners are criminals.
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Post by Doc H on Oct 8, 2006 0:24:21 GMT -5
Most of the people making these ridiculous comments like "Ruben is mentoring Jesse now" could learn much by watching people like Ruben, Jed, Jim Gilles, etc. even if they don't agree with everything they do.
Amen to that messengermicah.
I don't agree with Pentacostalism but I have learnt a great deal from you Fundy Pentecostals and I see you as my brothers/sisters in Christ.
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Post by dale on Oct 8, 2006 7:32:22 GMT -5
So if I get a good look at Jesse and his philosophy that means this is what Jesus is going to be like as well?
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Post by cervyy on Oct 8, 2006 9:41:26 GMT -5
Jesus Christ Himself said:Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Sinners are not ignorant simply needing information. They are criminals needing to be confronted. They are not poor victims. God doesn't send sinners to hell because they are victims. He sends sinners to hell because they are criminals. Jesus didn't die the death of a criminal because sinners are victims. Jesus died the death of a criminal because sinners are criminals. Umm, Jesse, in that quote He doesn't say to preach to them, but to KILL them. Wanna splainy please?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 9, 2006 13:47:00 GMT -5
That verse shows that Jesus taught that sinners were criminals because of their sin.
And He will punish these criminals on judgment day.
But until then, we need to preach the gospel to see them reconciled to God.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 10, 2006 15:30:04 GMT -5
I'm curious as to know why Jesus, when adressing the woman at the well who had several previous husbands, didn't call her names, didn't hold up signs and didn't yell at her.....as a matter of fact, he adressed the issues, but refrained from calling her a criminal, wicked etc etc.
Can you explain that without using the often and overused line, "That was One2One".
John 4
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
4And he must needs go through Samaria.
5Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
7There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8(For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
13Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
15The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
16Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
27And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
28The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
29Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
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Post by Miles Lewis on Oct 10, 2006 18:15:10 GMT -5
I can answer pretty simply; Law to the proud, grace to the humble.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 10, 2006 19:18:48 GMT -5
Jesus doesn't want to crush the broken (humble), but He does want to break the unbroken (proud).
He wants to break the unbroken and put together the broken.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 11, 2006 22:20:32 GMT -5
Jesus doesn't want to crush the broken (humble), but He does want to break the unbroken (proud). He wants to break the unbroken and put together the broken. Exactly how I believe it! Amen!
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