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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Oct 20, 2006 1:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 20, 2006 7:38:07 GMT -5
Jed Smock talks about sex and sexual things so much and in so much detail, it makes me wonder if he is infatuated with it or something. I'm sorry, but I think that kind of preaching is a mockery to Jesus Christ. I don't think Jesus is honored and glorified by a preacher going into detail about such things as fondeling breasts. Ephesians 5:12
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 20, 2006 7:42:26 GMT -5
Is this preaching or a Circus Sideshow? I don't see the work of the Holy Spirit in this at all. This preaching grieves my heart... He is making a mockery of sin, the very thing that is going to condemn those sinners!
Jed Smock: "I get my jollies of of doing this." THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT!!
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Post by josh on Oct 20, 2006 8:47:46 GMT -5
I saw them awhile ago and I was sickened. I refuse to call him 'brother' after seeing that. Don't think I heard the gospel preached, but I heard alot of sexual talk similar to what I heard while I was in the army and I can assure you they weren't preaching...
"But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;" - 1 Peter 1:15
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 20, 2006 9:01:21 GMT -5
Amen Josh...he reminded me of my days in the military as well...when I was LOST!
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Post by tbxi on Oct 20, 2006 18:30:30 GMT -5
WOW. I just watched these and... he's pretty vulgar. Why would he talk like that?
I can picture myself in the place of the camera holder, a few years ago.. just laughing at this nonsense. This is a poor example.
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Post by Rodgers on Oct 20, 2006 20:13:14 GMT -5
Proverbs 17:11 11 An evil man seeks only rebellion; Therefore a cruel messenger will be sent against him.
I know for sure he would not talk like this at a Family type Festival or Fair. God has called him to what may be the one of the most evil sectors of our Society, good old State U! He may seem cruel at times but then again he is dealing with some very evil and hard people. Who are you to judge?
James 4 11 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
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Post by tbxi on Oct 20, 2006 20:28:46 GMT -5
I spoke no evil of Jed. I just saw him speaking evil and vulgarity on these videos.
For a self-avowed Pelagian like Jed to revel in his past sins and describe them with great detail and enthusiasm, is a total contradiction and it is wicked.
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Post by ejuliot on Oct 20, 2006 20:29:29 GMT -5
I haven't watched the videos yet but my mother was saved because of Jed Smock's preaching at her University. Something to think about.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Oct 20, 2006 22:33:35 GMT -5
I think we need to remember that these are only parts of the preaching and not the whole preaching.
Maybe the university student placed these parts on the internet to make Jed look like a "crazy preacher".
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Post by tbxi on Oct 21, 2006 0:41:39 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Oct 21, 2006 0:56:55 GMT -5
I think we need to remember that these are only parts of the preaching and not the whole preaching. Maybe the university student placed these parts on the internet to make Jed look like a "crazy preacher". That may be true, but the mere fact that he paints such a picture with all the sexual details is the problem. To even use that in a sermon is wrong.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 21, 2006 10:13:18 GMT -5
There are parts of the Bible where it is pretty graphic such as the Song of Solomon and Ezekiel to mention a few.
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Post by evanschaible on Oct 21, 2006 15:14:22 GMT -5
I haven't watched the videos yet but my mother was saved because of Jed Smock's preaching at her University. Something to think about. AMEN. Jed is not all bad, he makes good pojnts, is a pro at crowd control, and is an all around good preacher. --Evan
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 21, 2006 19:04:37 GMT -5
I haven't watched the videos yet but my mother was saved because of Jed Smock's preaching at her University. Something to think about. Hey, I don't doubt that God can, has, is and will continue to use Jed Smock. I can, however, say that these video clips are absolutely RIDICULOUS. They are just clips, yes, but it doesn't matter if he preached on the Cross, being Born Again and Christ the rest of the time. This kind of preaching cancels all of that out...
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 21, 2006 19:05:46 GMT -5
I can't believe how anyone on here who has actually watched these video clips can justify the content of them in any way! That just astonishes me!
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 21, 2006 20:33:21 GMT -5
I have preached with Brother Jed many times, but I have not seen the clips.
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Post by tbxi on Oct 22, 2006 0:00:05 GMT -5
"We are on pervert alert... there are fraternity boys in the area... all females I advise to cross your legs... these boys are lurking in the shadows, just waiting to hump (unintelligible)... Believe me, when I was in college, I was a fraternity boy. I know what goes on... This goes back to 1960 when I was a freshman at Indiana university - this was before the era of coed dorms. Girls still had hours. 10:30 on weekdays, 1am on weekends, and you weren't allowed to have the opposite sex in your rooms. Over at the Delta house, we had ways of getting around these restrictions. In the basement of our frat house was the "dark room" and by the way girls, this was not a place for developing film ... I suppose you frat guys know how these females like the feel of leather on their bare thighs ... it seems to drive them into a sexual frenzy! ... by the way you know what our favourite sorority was? We had Delta Delta Delta ... We had a saying back then, "When all other sorority girls fail, try a Delta"...
It gets more vulgar from here on.
I can see that Jed has done much for the Lord in the past. This is just ridiculous though. How can ANYBODY support this kind of preaching? He is making a mockery of sin with this.
Yes, part of Ezekiel are quite graphic. The Song of Solomon though, is just about the sacred love between man and wife. Jed uses Ezekiel 23 on his website to try to justify his language. It is probably the most graphic part of the Bible, that I know of. But the w/h/o/r/e/s and w/h/o/r/emongers in this section are not spoken of approvingly or jokingly. They are condemned by God. There is no nostalgic reminiscence of promiscuity here or vulgarity for the sake of vulgarity, as in the clips of Jed here.
EDIT: Argh! I can't say the biblical term w/h/o/r/e(monger) either?
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 22, 2006 9:24:38 GMT -5
Philippians 4:8 seems to make it clear to me that we shouldn't even be thinking about our sinful past, let alone reminiscing about it in graphic details with lost sinners! How can we talk about sin in such ways as Jed does in these clips and then condemn it and hate it in the next breath? The most revealing part of these clips to me is when he says this: "I'm away from home, so I'm not going to be able sleep with my wife...and I'm certainly not going to masterbate. So, I get my jollies my getting these blank all stirred up and making these politically incorrect comments." So why is Jed preaching any way?
Other quotes:
"Girls, should these fraternity boys force you to do something you don't want to do, bite off their penis."
"There is an empytness and void in your life. Repent and Trust in Christ and He will give you life and joy in the Holy Ghost." (Is this modern Gospel?)
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Post by josefurban on Oct 22, 2006 11:28:41 GMT -5
Rev K is exactly right.
This preaching of Jed's is a total shame and ridiculous reproach to the name of Christ. It takes absolutely NO discernment whatsoever to see how ridiculous it is, it actually take a negative level of discernment, a willfull blindness, not to see the error in it. I speak solemnly and reverently when I warn all who give any weight to my words to stay away from this guy, have nothing to do with him, and if you must see him, rebuke with all authority and boldness.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 22, 2006 13:10:52 GMT -5
Why don't you guys go on his board and rebuke him if you are so concerned?
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 22, 2006 13:48:51 GMT -5
Why don't you guys go on his board and rebuke him if you are so concerned? To tell you the truth Micah, many people have spoken to him about his preaching and he has never listened to them, so why would he all-of-a-sudden listen to me?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 22, 2006 14:34:09 GMT -5
I appreciate Brother Jed and all he's done in the past 30 years. A lot of people have been saved through his ministry and for that I am grateful.
The only thing I mainly disagree with would be how explicit and detailed he gets when speaking on sexual issues. I really don't like it.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 22, 2006 15:12:51 GMT -5
He probably would not listen to you, but I don't think that is the point. I don't think we are supposed to tell people their sin only if they think they will listen to us.
Besides, I think it would be wise to tell Jed, instead of just talking about it on this board. If you, Josef, or anyone else confronts him on his board he will have a chance to respond. From that point on it would be different talking about him on this board. It seems you should confront him on his board, give him a chance to respond, and then discuss it here.
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 22, 2006 15:27:46 GMT -5
He probably would not listen to you, but I don't think that is the point. I don't think we are supposed to tell people their sin only if they think they will listen to us. Besides, I think it would be wise to tell Jed, instead of just talking about it on this board. If you, Josef, or anyone else confronts him on his board he will have a chance to respond. From that point on it would be different talking about him on this board. It seems you should confront him on his board, give him a chance to respond, and then discuss it here. Give me a link to his message board and I will go talk to him about it on his message board...
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Post by Rodgers on Oct 22, 2006 20:10:04 GMT -5
Almost as crazy as some guy eating his own waste or preaching behind naked! This is Bro Jed's Board. I read the posts quite frequently. I look forward to your discussion with him. www.brojed.org/newboard/BulletinBoard.html
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 22, 2006 21:34:17 GMT -5
Here is my post on Jed's MB: Hi Jed, my name is Kerrigan and I am an open air preacher as well. Been preaching open air for around two years now. I preach at campuses, bar/club districts, concerts, festivals, parades and just about anywhere else where there are large amounts of people in public places who need the Gospel. As a fairly new open air preacher (in comparison to you, Ray Comfort, Tom Short, etc.)I am always trying to learn to be a better open air preacher. In doing so, I try to watch as many open air preaching videos as possible. I am also on a few message boards in order to discuss things and get new ideas, etc. On one message board, links were posted to some video footage of you preaching at the Universiy of Illinois. It seems that a "Jewish" student filmed them. Here are the links to them so you can know what I am referring to: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQklrw5y-0kwww.youtube.com/watch?v=U86kcpahtQIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=p5WkIwo-DRUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=QFiwwd4OSqMThere are some things I heard you say during the video footage that I don't necessarily agree with. I know these are only clips and that they are put on the internet by a lost sinner...but after watching these videos several times I can't figure out why you would say some of these things for any reason and in any context. Maybe I am just missing some information that you can fill me in on. Here's what I am talking about: In Part 1: - I'm curious, why do you feel the need to talk about masturbation and fondeling breasts? Do you think Ephesians 5:12 would apply here? - Around 4:30 minutes you began talking about what you used to do with Delta Delta Delta sorority girls. You spoke about the dark room and about their bare thighs touching a leather couch. You talk about how it drives them into a sexual frenzy. You talked about how if all other sorority girls failed that you would try a Delta girl. You seemed to almost be giving these lost sinners new ideas on how to sin it up. Can you really say that this is Christ honoring? Do you think you should be talking about your sinful past in graphic detail in light of Philippians 4:8? In Part 1.5: - Again talking about breasts... - You talk about girls self esteem and how they probably only consider themselves as a piece of A-S-S! I don't know...for some reason I can't picture the Holy Spirit leading you to do this. I can't picture Jesus Christ doing this either...Colossians 3:8 - Once again talking about touching breats... - You tell girls "why they have a v/a/g/i/n/a" In Part 2: - You say that some of the girls on campus have a complex because they have a couple of fried eggs (you were talking about them having small breasts). You spoke about breast implants and then told them natures way of growing their breasts: getting married and getting pregnant. I am beginning to think you have an infatuation with breasts or something... In Part 3: - Direct quote when talking about how the male college students don't want to become U.S. soldiers: "You just want to stay home and screw these college girls." I think that Colossians 3:8 might apply here as well. - Direct quote, "By the way girls, should they succeed in forcing you to do something perverted, bite off their p/e/n/i/s." Again with the graphic sex talking? Is this really needed? Is it Godly? Ephesians 5:12... - You told a story about two people getting naked, "STARK NAKED" and screwing right there in the bed! I think this is becoming repetitive... - Direct quote: "You're recognizing their is an emptiness. You're recognizing there is a void in your life. Turn from your sins today and turn to Jesus Christ the Lord. He will set you free from your sins, and give you life and joy and peace in the Holy Ghost." This almost sounds a little modern gospelish Jed. I have seen many of your videos, but never thought you would say some of these things... -Direct Quote: "I'm away from home, so I'm not going to be able to sleep with my wife and I'm certainly not going to masturbate. So, I get my jollies by getting these feminists all stirred up and angry and making these politically incorrect comments." Jed, I thought preaching was supposed to be done for the Glory of God, not so you could get your "jollies." This is the most grieving statement of all the things I see in these videos. Jed, as I watch these clips and many others, you seem to be preaching more for entertainment then anything. Maybe I am wrong... We are dealing with people's eternity and what Christ did on the Cross. How is any of that funny at all? We are dealing with people going to Hell forever. How can we make lightly of such a thing? These videos were already discussed a little on another message board, so I am sure that the things you said and did in these videos may be justified by quoting Song of Solomon or by talking about something Ezekiel did. If that is the "proof" for preaching like this then that seems more like going to the Scripture to find something to justify these things instead of going to Scripture and seeing how we should preach. Anyway, I guess that is about it for now. I look forward to your reply...
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 22, 2006 21:37:21 GMT -5
I had to fix my post and change the word p/e/n/i/s because Jed's MB wouldn't allow it! ISN'T THAT IRONIC!!! By the way, the only reason I am even using that word is because it is a quote of what Jed said. Otherwise I wouldn't be using it or even talking about male body parts...
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 22, 2006 22:32:45 GMT -5
Excellent RevK! I think you are handling this correctly.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 22, 2006 22:35:06 GMT -5
As open air preachers representing Christ, we cetainly should have limitations and boundaries as to what we would and would not do.
What do you guys think those limitations and boundaries should be?
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