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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 13, 2006 16:05:03 GMT -5
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 14, 2006 10:40:15 GMT -5
A must for open air preachers to read. Most of Finney's critics do not read his material, they read what others say about him.
If preachers today would live and preach like Finney did we would have another great awakening and revival.
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Post by sjn on Dec 14, 2006 17:43:15 GMT -5
I was listening to Winkie Pratney teach on Original Sin today and he was talking about Romans 5 and Universalism. Finney was battling Universalism alot and I'm thinking it had a part in his rejection of Original Sin. If you want to listen to or download Pratney's message I uploaded it here: Winkie Pratney - Original Sinwww.zshare.net/audio/pratney-09-original-sin-mp3.htmlBy the way I got this audio from Grant and he put a whole series of teaching by Pratney on the internet if you want to dowload them. www.sheeporgoat.com/mp3/Pratney_HILO-SOE-74/
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 14, 2006 17:53:28 GMT -5
Excellent! I'm downloading a few now for my MP3 player. Thanks!
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Post by sjn on Dec 14, 2006 18:28:36 GMT -5
I have to say that listening to the Pratney message on Original Sin has made me really think about this issue more seriously.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Dec 14, 2006 19:07:13 GMT -5
I've listened to several in that series that Grant put up. They are thought provoking.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 14, 2006 19:27:02 GMT -5
There are so many different views on original sin. Augustine had one. Pelagius had one. Finney had one. Wesley had one. Fletcher had one. And even those who do not believe in original sin seem to disagree with it for different reasons, and still have different views about death etc etc.
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 14, 2006 19:28:31 GMT -5
I actually just recieved an earlier edition of Finney in Santa Barbara while we were there. It is an amazing work - AMEN Micah, every open air preacher, and Christian fr that matter needs to read it.
-Evan
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Post by sjn on Dec 14, 2006 20:42:16 GMT -5
There are so many different views on original sin. Augustine had one. Pelagius had one. Finney had one. Wesley had one. Fletcher had one. And even those who do not believe in original sin seem to disagree with it for different reasons, and still have different views about death etc etc. I here you brother. I think the problem is that it doesn't seem to be explicitly stated in the Scriptures. It has to be deduced from putting various Scriptures together. That being the case I don't see how those who reject original sin can be condemned as heretics. There have been relatively few in church history that have rejected original sin though. An overwhelming majority of Christian theologians have held to the doctrine in some form. Steve
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Post by Kerrigan on Dec 14, 2006 22:02:03 GMT -5
There have been relatively few in church history that have rejected original sin though. An overwhelming majority of Christian theologians have held to the doctrine in some form. That is one of the scary things for me as I embark on this...
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 14, 2006 22:30:28 GMT -5
I hold to A FORM of original sin - practically the same held by Airminius. We are born guilty but not accountable - when our eyes are opened to the full extent of sin, righteousness and judgment, salvation and the saviour in all of His offices - then we are accountable automoatically guilty.
Sin is spiritual but a spiritual infirmity can be transitted just like a physical one.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 14, 2006 23:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 27, 2006 14:49:02 GMT -5
This is a cover I made for the book if anyone is going to print the book off.
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 27, 2006 17:30:54 GMT -5
We have heard from Pelagius and Augustine on the issue of original sin - but what saith the scriptures.... oh yeah, and John Wesley. ;D
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 27, 2006 18:07:57 GMT -5
The scriptures clearly say we inherit physical depravity (death) from Adam. But moral depravity (sin) is our own doing.
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Post by epistemaniac on Jan 5, 2011 17:38:40 GMT -5
We have heard from Pelagius and Augustine on the issue of original sin - but what saith the scriptures.... oh yeah, and John Wesley. ;D that depends on which interpreter of Scripture you are talking to...
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Post by veritas77 on Jan 29, 2011 5:55:48 GMT -5
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