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Post by Jesse Morrell on Feb 3, 2008 12:18:19 GMT -5
Hey Brothers,
John McGlone and Kerrigan Skelly were unlawfully arrested this morning. They were preaching, on a public sidewalk, outside of a prosperity Church in Fayetteville and were arrested.
I think they might have been arrested for preaching without a permit.
Keep this in your prayers.
In the book of Acts, when Peter was in jail, the whole Church was praying for him.
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mattmahar
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`Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.' John 5:14
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Post by mattmahar on Feb 3, 2008 12:26:25 GMT -5
Praying!!
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Post by rebecca on Feb 3, 2008 12:37:45 GMT -5
Praying. I'm thankful you were able to get the word out to us.
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Post by joem on Feb 4, 2008 8:54:14 GMT -5
Praying. Any update?
Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Feb 4, 2008 12:40:47 GMT -5
Kerrigan said that he has some video footage of this incident which he will upload to the internet.
Apparently the Police said, at first, that they were not breaking any laws. But later, a Superior said that they had to leave or be arrested. And he refused to tell them why they were going to be arrested. Kerrigan and John said that they would not leave because no laws were being broken. That is when they were handcuffed, arrested, and brought to the police station. It wasn't until then that they found out what they were charged with. It was something like "disturbing a religious gathering with the intention of causing a riot". Kerrigan said, "I was not intending to cause a riot" and the officer said, "preaching as loud as you were, what else could you have been intending to do?" Hmm... maybe preach and be heard??
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Post by John McGlone on Feb 4, 2008 17:03:19 GMT -5
Thanks for your prayers saints. We appreciate them. We will be going to court 3/18 for two charges. Failure to disperse and disturbing a religious assembly. We are in contact with some legal counsel. They took my sandwich boards as "evidence", I forgot to get a reciept. I hope I get them back they are brand new. Thanks again.
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Post by atthecross on Feb 4, 2008 17:09:04 GMT -5
Keep us posted. I am praying also. Blessed are those who are persecuted for his name's sake.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Feb 4, 2008 17:29:52 GMT -5
That really irritates me. I really wanted to see your sandwich board used out on campuses. It's such a nice one.
It could be hard for you to get your sandwich board back. You should go to the Police Station and talk to them about it.
I once had sound equipment confiscating as "evidence" when I was given a fine in Dallas. The law for Dallas said that if Police confiscate "evidence" without issuing a receipt it is considered the same as theft. I was not given a receipt. So when I tried to go and pick it up, they wouldn't release it to me. So my attorney had the judge issue a paper which said it could be released. But when I returned to pick it up, they said that the paper didn't have the courts seal on it and it didn't that seal. I was never able to get that paper sealed because the judge who filled in was only a substitute judge and so we weren't able to connect with him again. So I never did get my sound equipment back.
I hope you don't have the problems I had. You should talk to the Police department about it, and if they don't give you a receipt, you'll need the Judge in your case to issue it's release. Just make sure that the paper has the courts seal on it.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 5, 2008 20:18:52 GMT -5
I am uploading the video footage now. I will post as soon as it is uploaded...please keep this issue in prayer...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 1:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Feb 6, 2008 1:13:52 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the video bro. This whole situation is outrageous and absurd.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 1:37:30 GMT -5
No problem. The actual arrest is around the 28 min. mark. It would be good to watch the whole thing, though, to see just how uncalled for the arrest was. For some reason, when I watch the video online the end is a little messed up. It isn't like that on my computer. I may have to re-upload it overnight. I am going to check it one more time...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 1:54:18 GMT -5
Yep...I'm going to have to re-upload the whole thing... I'm going to bed...it should be up by morning...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Feb 6, 2008 2:02:03 GMT -5
It's so sad that we are having such problems in America simply using free speech and exercising our religion in public.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Feb 6, 2008 2:04:41 GMT -5
You been bad bad boys...
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Post by joem on Feb 6, 2008 7:40:23 GMT -5
This is the church where we did the evangelism seminar with GNN...... there are some good folks in the congregation, but they are deceived on many fronts. Was Eric with you? I know he came out of that church. I'll watch the video later when I get a few minutes of down time, but I can imagine the opposition from the church would be fierce.
Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Feb 6, 2008 7:58:45 GMT -5
The devils turn to the law of man to do their bidding.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 6, 2008 8:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 9:56:15 GMT -5
Ok, the video footage has been fixed. Please click the link up above again, as it is fixed, or CLICK HERE
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 9:59:16 GMT -5
This is the church where we did the evangelism seminar with GNN...... there are some good folks in the congregation, but they are deceived on many fronts. Was Eric with you? I know he came out of that church. I'll watch the video later when I get a few minutes of down time, but I can imagine the opposition from the church would be fierce. Grace and Peace, Joe Yes, this is the same Church. There are some good folks in the Church. That is why we went out there, to reach out to them. We think there are actually people who could see the lies of the prosperity "gospel" and the word-faith movement. Eric was with me, as you will see on the video, as was Gary and his wife. All three of them used to be members at this Church along with Eric's wife. Eric and his wife used to be on paid staff and Eric's wife has family in leadership. This whole thing was Eric's idea, I was all for it, but was more going out there as support than anything. In my opinion, the leadership that I ran into aren't even saved. Some of the things they said were just plain evil and revealed there true hearts...
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Post by joem on Feb 6, 2008 10:19:52 GMT -5
This is the church where we did the evangelism seminar with GNN...... there are some good folks in the congregation, but they are deceived on many fronts. Was Eric with you? I know he came out of that church. I'll watch the video later when I get a few minutes of down time, but I can imagine the opposition from the church would be fierce. Grace and Peace, Joe Yes, this is the same Church. There are some good folks in the Church. That is why we went out there, to reach out to them. We think there are actually people who could see the lies of the prosperity "gospel" and the word-faith movement. Eric was with me, as you will see on the video, as was Gary and his wife. All three of them used to be members at this Church along with Eric's wife. Eric and his wife used to be on paid staff and Eric's wife has family in leadership. This whole thing was Eric's idea, I was all for it, but was more going out there as support than anything. In my opinion, the leadership that I ran into aren't even saved. Some of the things they said were just plain evil and revealed there true hearts... Yeah, in the video there seemed to be very little concern from the church leaders over whether or not you were speaking the truth. I was encouraged and challenged by your willingness to speak the truth to a congregation that definitely needs to hear it. Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous [man], that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by rebecca on Feb 6, 2008 19:32:53 GMT -5
I don't believe that the prosperity gosple is a salvation issue even though it is a really corrupt teaching. Sure their could be people in there who are not saved just as in any church.
Since alot of these people profess Jesus as their Lord and savior and even in a worse case scenario if they were to say it with thier mouth and not in thier heart I could not say they are not saved just because they are prosperity preachers or believe in the prosperity gosple.
This should be taken in private and so on...(Matthew 18:15) concerning any specific church. I believe out on the streets in the public is the best place to preach against this not at a church or during an assembly.
I will admit that there were times I would have liked to preach outside of Without Walls but since listening to Carter Conlon's message on "Beware of the Angry Watchman" I have changed my stance.
You must be careful not to touch the veil on the bride. Im just saying there is a very fine line. I've done things in the past in ignorance.
My mother and I were arrested and put in jail for protesting outside of an abortion clinic. My mother was arrested twice but thankfully we had lawyers to represent us and got off on a misdameener so we do not have a record. Now I believe I was wrong not obeying the authorities in this specific case.
That's just how I believe you can take it or leave it.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 21:28:26 GMT -5
Thanks for your opinion Rebecca, but I respectfully disagree. Here are some passages from the Bible to chew on:
Matthew 6:19-24, Matthew 8:20, 1 Timothy 6:5-11, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 2 Peter 2:1-3.
The fact is that the prosperity "gospel" and word-faith movement are leading MANY to Hell. They give an idolatrous picture of Jesus and God...that Jesus came to fix your life and make you happy, healthy and wealthy. Christ came to make us Holy. I have personally known several people who have been impacted severely by these movements. One friend almost had his faith destroyed by these deceptions. But when it comes to this specific "church", four friends of mine used to be members and two were on staff. They testify of the garbage being preached there, the greed and covetousness being practiced and that even when the "gospel" is preached, it is a modern watered-down version. Often times people are sympathetic with False Teachers because they do some "good" and have some "good" teachings as well. Of course they do! How would they fool anyone then? Anyway, the leadership of this "church" has been approached behind closed doors several times. It was time to love the people who go there by reaching out to them and rebuke the "leadership" openly...
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Post by John McGlone on Feb 6, 2008 21:39:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback Rebecca. But, God knows my heart about this matter. I have no regrets and have to humbly thank Kerrigan for being such a great example to me.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 6, 2008 21:58:17 GMT -5
I think this is a time where signs and banners would come in handy and maybe find some way to draw people across the street or somewhere so you could preach to them. This is just a suggestion and maybe even some literature that they could read. Maybe even some sound equipment for after they get out of the service but I would avoid doing it till the service is totally out.
I still do not believe this is a salvation issue and I would concentrate myself on just preaching against the prosperity gosple alone.
I had that idea in mind once concerning Without Walls but I'm not sure if I would have my husband's blessing on that one.
Whatever you do it has to be done in love and for the sole purpose of reaching both the people and the preachers.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 7, 2008 5:23:19 GMT -5
My husband believes it would be a reproach to the world to preach outside of these prosperity gosple churches to these people and I agree with him. It's not a good testimony to the world. To the world it probably just looks like a bunch of christians fighting with one another. So just dump my bad advice. There are just some things in this world we can't do though we would like to.
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Post by John McGlone on Feb 7, 2008 5:44:32 GMT -5
Rebecca, the "world" was not there. The world's reproach(scorn or contempt) is invalid reasoning. Preaching brings scorn and contempt. We did use a sandwich board which the police have confiscated as evidence. There were many false Christians there who were telling us to go somewhere else, this is most certainly a salvation issue. Great preachers of the early church were not afraid of appearances and because of love rebuked heretics and exhorted the bretheren to come out of the false teachings.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 7, 2008 5:54:39 GMT -5
Rebecca, the "world" was not there. We did use a sandwich board which the police have confiscated as evidence. There were many false Christians there who were telling us to go somewhere else. Great preachers of the early church were not afraid of appearances and because of love rebuked heretics and exhorted the bretheren to come out of the false teachings. I believe God can reign these christians in, we already see the government getting involved. It won't be very long and these churches will be shut down. What a blessing that will be! Im glad to see some of your christiand friends who were there that have come out and that's a good example of God's saving grace.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 7, 2008 5:59:32 GMT -5
Amen John! I have no regrets either! And if things go right in the court I will do it again because I love men and God!
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Post by rebecca on Feb 7, 2008 6:08:19 GMT -5
I do believe your rights were violated and I am praying the charges are dropped.
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