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Post by Miles Lewis on Jun 24, 2007 23:21:28 GMT -5
Saying he offered himself to God seems pretty clear. If Jesus "made his soul an offering for sin" to whom were all offerings made under the old covenant? To God right, to satisfy the Law's demand. Christ's death satisfied the Law of God.
I am still working all this out as well.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2007 0:18:57 GMT -5
The Old Testament sacrifices were a picture of the sacrifice of Christ, the Lamb of God. In those examples we are told that a sweet smelling aroma rose up to God, and satisfied his wrath, so that He puts aside His wrath instead of execute it.
Jesus Christ is our passover lamb, making it possible for God's wrath to pass over us, to making it possible for God not to execute it.
In the Early Church randsom view, I don't see how Christ can be the passover lamb?
What connection does the sacrifice of Christ have with the forgiveness of sins, or what relation does it have in God setting aside the penalty, in the Early Church view?
I think that the scriptures represent the atonement as making forgiveness possible, when it previously was not possible. I think the scriptures represent the atonement as making it possible for God to passover His wrath, or to hold back the deserved penalty.
Obviously Christ did not satisfy the wrath of God, or else there would be no more wrath for anyone for whom Christ died. If God still has wrath for those for whom Christ died, Christ must not have satisfied God's wrath. But rather, the atonement makes it possible for God to passover with his wrath, those who repent and believe. So the atonement is not the reception of wrath, but the enabling of the wrath to be able to passover.
But I don't see how the Early Church view teaches that relation of the atonement to actual forgiveness.
But I haven't studied that theory extensively.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jun 28, 2007 3:07:10 GMT -5
Jesse, most of what you said has been spoken of by me or answered throughout this thread. Just take a chance and read my posts if you will. If, after reading my posts, you don't see the answer, then let me know and I will respond to your questions...God Bless...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2007 3:10:55 GMT -5
Sorry about that bro. I didn't go through and read it all. I'll do that now. Thanks! ;D
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2007 3:21:21 GMT -5
One thing I think that just about everyone on this board can agree on, with a few exceptions, is that because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross, all men can be saved from sin and from hell if they repent and believe!
If that is all we know, that is all we need to know, that grace is now available through Jesus Christ.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jun 28, 2007 11:16:18 GMT -5
One thing I think that just about everyone on this board can agree on, with a few exceptions, is that because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross, all men can be saved from sin and from hell if they repent and believe! If that is all we know, that is all we need to know, that grace is now available through Jesus Christ. Amen! I would say that this issue is definitely a non-essential one as long as we agree on what you say above...
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Post by alan4jc on Jun 28, 2007 11:18:34 GMT -5
One thing I think that just about everyone on this board can agree on, with a few exceptions, is that because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross, all men can be saved from sin and from hell if they repent and believe! If that is all we know, that is all we need to know, that grace is now available through Jesus Christ. WHOOOHOOO!! We agree ;D
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