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Post by shetani on Jan 17, 2007 21:44:05 GMT -5
Legal by WHOSE standards? Sinful, murderous men? Come On! Illegal by WHOSE standards? An invisible, baseless diety? Come on, Rheema.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 18, 2007 22:55:22 GMT -5
Invisibility presupposes baselessness?
Brobreaud
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Post by shetani on Jan 18, 2007 23:30:09 GMT -5
Do you even know what the word 'presuppose' means, dear? =]
And did I say that your god is baseless because of his invisibility? Nope. I said he was baseless and invisibile. Adjectives are fun!
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 18, 2007 23:58:53 GMT -5
Assuming something beforehand...
So many laws of the land (legislated morality) are not "based" on the 10?
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Post by shetani on Jan 19, 2007 16:31:43 GMT -5
So many laws of the land (legislated morality) are not 'based' on the 10? Absolutely not. Established law existed long before Moses, darling. For example, there was this dude named Hammurabi who made all kinds of laws sans da Lawd.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 20, 2007 18:30:23 GMT -5
Sure, murder, theft, lying, adultery etc. were wrong before Sinai.
This nation was not founded on the Code of Hammurabi. (some good laws, some bad) Like, robber caught stealing should be killed. (bad law, should be restitution) Also, strike a pregnant woman that loses her child, pay ten shekels. That Hammurabi sure valued human life.
All kinds of people made "all kinds of laws", doesn't mean they were good laws.
Brobreaud
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Post by mahatma on Jan 20, 2007 21:09:25 GMT -5
So, if the laws of all of the Pre-Exodus societies were so bad, what does that say about the idea that God imprinted a universal set of morals on all of us? If God has placed a universal code of morality in every human, if we all know in our hearts what sin is, then shouldn't even the pre-Exodus legal systems reflect that ingrained conscience and those morals?
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Post by shetani on Jan 20, 2007 21:41:41 GMT -5
This nation was not founded on the Code of Hammurabi. (some good laws, some bad) Hellz no. This nation was not founded on the ten commandments, either. It was founded on tobacco, political freedom, and trade opprotunities. Nothing else, nothing more. All kinds of people made all kinds of laws', doesn't mean they were good laws. Your laws are a widdle harsh as well. According to the bible, you should stone a virgin who is raped and does not scream loudly enough to be saved, stone a virgin who does not bleed upon her deflowerment, kill homosexuals, etc. Wonderful laws, indeed. Maybe the laws of Hammurabi were so similar to those of Moses because they both promote survival and stability? Makes sense to me.
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Post by berean73 on Jan 21, 2007 5:09:31 GMT -5
So, if the laws of all of the Pre-Exodus societies were so bad, what does that say about the idea that God imprinted a universal set of morals on all of us? If God has placed a universal code of morality in every human, if we all know in our hearts what sin is, then shouldn't even the pre-Exodus legal systems reflect that ingrained conscience and those morals? Yes the conscience was there, but remember we believe man had fallen in the garden so we were definently able to make laws with our own sinful agendas, and desires in mind. We still do it. Don't know if that hits your question, but thats what I see in the Bible anyway. I don't know enough about "civilized" laws in the pre-Mosaic societies to comment any further than that .... sorry.... I'm only a Christian....
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 22, 2007 17:07:51 GMT -5
Mahatma, The laws of pre-Exodus societies were not ALL bad. Some of the pre-Exodus legal systems DID reflect that "ingrained conscience" and morals, how else would they have gotten the ideas?
Shetani, you can deny what this nation was founded on, but it doesn't change the facts. Also, it is noteworthy to remember there is not one incident recorded of a stoning of a virgin or a homosexual in Scripture. Seems enforced law restrains the heart from evil. Very survivable and stable society indeed.
Brobreaud
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Post by shetani on Jan 22, 2007 17:23:10 GMT -5
Shetani, you can deny what this nation was founded on, but it doesn't change the facts. Ah, naivete. You never cease to amuse me. To be succint: if you are under the impression that the Founding Fathers gave a flying crap about the bible, or that this country was born of something other than monetary and political gain, you need to retake elementary-level history stat. Drop da bible, quit admiring Jayzus' glistening pecs on the crucifix, and learn something. Also, it is noteworthy to remember there is not one incident recorded of a stoning of a virgin or a homosexual in Scripture. Seems enforced law restrains the heart from evil. Very survivable and stable society indeed. Never happened, eh? For a nonexistant practice, the bible sure mentions it a lot. And like, what about that adulterous woman? I could've sworn she was about to be stoned before Jayzus came along. Enforced law promotes survival, therefore peace. That is my point.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 22, 2007 19:35:14 GMT -5
Shaterina.....why are you on a Christian message board? Are you here to engage in dialog? To perhaps hear about Jesus from people who know Him?
As a former government (public) school teacher of English and Social Studies, I'd like to direct you to a book by David Barton called Original Intent. He has done a lot of research on what the Founding Fathers had to say, in their own words, about their motives for developing our form of government. Your inane ramblings about tobacco, etc. show much ignorance. Expand your horizons a bit, rather than simply spewing up buzz words and trite phrases. I say this kindly, because I was once like you (although a little less vulgar).
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Post by shetani on Jan 22, 2007 20:05:46 GMT -5
Shaterina.....why are you on a Christian message board? Shaterina? I have no idea who that is, Big Momma. It really shows how much you Krischunz care for 'ole Shetani when you butcher her name, y'know. Why am I here? I like to debate. I also like fresh meat, a good laugh, and, um, a good laugh. Your inane ramblings about tobacco, etc. show much ignorance. Expand your horizons a bit, rather than simply spewing up buzz words and trite phrases. Yo. Are you attempting to tell me that John Rolfe and his special tobacco blend had no effect on the colonies whatsoever? That slavery was not one of the huge reasons why this country blossomed the way it did? That the Founding Fathers were not predominantly rich, slave-owning Deists? I could make a really nasty joke about public school teachers being incompetent hacks right now, but I'm feeling merciful. After all, I here that in places other than Brooklyn (places that people care about), the local government actually supports education. Gasp! On another note - make me a sandwich, woman. I had no idea your husband/Miles would allow a woman so much free space on the internet. I say this kindly, because I was once like you (although a little less vulgar). Um, no. Big Momma, you were never as evil, awesome, or intelligent as I am. You never will be. Kapeesh? And when the crap are you sending Miles my way? I want my steak, dangit.
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Post by cervyy on Jan 22, 2007 22:19:48 GMT -5
And when the crap are you sending Miles my way? I want my steak, dangit. Mmmm, Miles cutlets ... almost sounds good enough to lure me away from vegetarianism ...
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Post by shetani on Jan 22, 2007 23:58:58 GMT -5
Hellz yeah, Cervs. I have been sharpening my teeth ever since Christmas in preparation for a well-seasoned, juicy Miles stake. Cross-shaped, of course. Mm-mm!
Oh Big Momma! I bet you can envision it now: my long, crimson-stained fangs, five inch claws, sharpened horns (with little pink tassles on top!), and rusty reddish-brown complexion.
Momma, I want you to prepare Miles as following: a) Preheat pan. b) Cook with green peppers, onions, oregano, basil, salt, cooking wine, and a dash of Goya sazon. c) In a seperate pot, prepare brown rice and black beans. Not too hard on the onion, please. I hate that. d) Use Mazola oil to fry the plantains. e) If you really love me, throw in a toasted baby.
I know you can do it, Big Momma. Cookin' is what a woman's for, after all.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 23, 2007 9:19:04 GMT -5
You need to be banned from this board. You need to repent, my young one, because even you are not guaranteed this very evening.
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Post by valentine on Jan 23, 2007 12:58:40 GMT -5
Oh come now, Victoria, it was really funny. I would have laughed just as hard (if not harder) if she'd been discussing Vally recipes. If you took any of that seriously, I think you need a lesson in satire (the dead baby was my favorite, as it's clearly a barb at the lingering belief that every pro-choicer is a horrible, evil person who delights in the screams of tortured infants).
And yes, FYI, I do cook. I think everyone should learn how. It's just a basic life skill.
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Post by luvofchrist on Jan 23, 2007 13:48:15 GMT -5
Sadly, neither Valentine nor Shetani seemed to grasp the gravity of the situation. It's not funny because we're not discussing recipes we're discussing the dignity and sanctity of human life be it outside the womb or inside.
The fact that neither of you seemed to grasp the gravity of that concept reveals much about you both.
Not laughing.
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Post by valentine on Jan 23, 2007 13:56:21 GMT -5
^ Yes, because I think abortion is just HEE-larious.
We get ridiculously off-topic in every single thread. 99% of the time, it's not me who's responsible for the off-topic-ness. You can go check the last page to see that we are definitely no longer talking about abortion. Miles-roasting recipes and Hammurabi's code, yes. Abortion, not so much.
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Post by cervyy on Jan 23, 2007 14:12:56 GMT -5
You need to be banned from this board. You need to repent, my young one, because even you are not guaranteed this very evening. Ohh, girl, it sounds like she just gave up on you! Just like Jesus would have then I guess. *shrug*
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Post by shetani on Jan 23, 2007 14:35:05 GMT -5
You need to be banned from this board. You need to repent, my young one, because even you are not guaranteed this very evening. Incredible. All it took was a half-baked recipe joke to send the rah-chuss God Warrior Victoria running back to her momma in tears. Is that how powerful I am? Is that how intimidating I can be - in a good mood, at that? Dang. Hail her unholiness Shetani in the highest, man. I trampled you good. So. I think you need to relinquish your title of preacher, darling. A true vessel of the Lawd would never be defeated so easily by a teenage girl on a message board. Put the banner down, drop the gospel flyers, and get back to cookin'. Stick with what you're good at. ^ Yes, because I think abortion is just HEE-larious. Hellz yeah! I mean, the sheer thought of abortion alone makes me bust into giggles. Sometimes, I even drop the fetus I was marinating in the heat of it all.
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Post by mahatma on Jan 23, 2007 14:40:43 GMT -5
Nuff said.
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Post by valentine on Jan 23, 2007 17:22:49 GMT -5
Mahatma, the fact that you didn't seem to grasp the gravity of this concept reveals much about you. We're not discussing pictures of doggies; we're discussing the dignity and sanctity of human life, be it outside the womb or inside!
...At least, we were on the first page, but my attention span is too short to read through the rest of it! ^^
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Post by mahatma on Jan 23, 2007 18:15:54 GMT -5
Ahh, but the picture of the doggy is allegorical. You need to see past the pixels and to the topic-induced weariness, the sheer exhaustion brought on by the inevetable recrimination reached in such a conversation! Like the dog who is obviously not built to climb up onto a couch, the posters in this thread have scrambled, clawed, and expended all their energy scrabbling up onto a nice soft cushion.
Now while it's true that the dog could then spend some more time barking and scrabbling about, the fact is that he's out of energy. He needs a nap. Much like this topic.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 23, 2007 18:16:08 GMT -5
Shetani, Learn something. Stop believing revisionist history. It is a lie. There were SOME deists among the founders, not ALL. Read a book.
"For a non-existant practice, the Bible sure mentions it a lot"? Name one chapter and verse of a stoning of a homosexual or an adulteress. That was my point. People knew the consequences to certain behaviors and did not commit them.
And the context of the adulterous woman in John 8 was "This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him..." verse 6. They were trying to trap Him into making a capital punishment judgment which the Romans forbade. And if He would have said, "Let her go" they could accuse Him of going against the law of Moses. No one will trap, out-think, or outsmart Jesus now or in the judgment day.
But we sure can get away from the thread, grasp the gravity of this concept:
Partial-birth abortion (7-9 months)
a) The baby is birthed, everything except the head. (Arms and legs may be flailing) b) The abortionist stabs the base of the skull with a sharp scissors-like instrument. c) The abortionist sucks out the brains into a vacuum container. d) The abortionist collapses the skull with a forceps. e) The baby is delivered dead.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 23, 2007 21:13:09 GMT -5
You need to be banned from this board. You need to repent, my young one, because even you are not guaranteed this very evening. Ohh, girl, it sounds like she just gave up on you! Just like Jesus would have then I guess. *shrug* Proverbs 29:1 says "He that being often reproved and hardens his neck shall suddenly be destroyed and that without remedy."
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Post by shetani on Jan 23, 2007 21:19:03 GMT -5
Stop believing revisionist history. Revisionist? Psht. The predominant Deism of the Founding Fathers has been common knowledge for centuries now. Thing is, numbnuts such as yourself cannot bear to accept the fact that the creators of your Krischun Nation (TM) were hardly Krischun at all. You will bend over backwards in an attempt to convince people that the Founding Fathers were all strong Krischunz, that the Constitution is a carbon-copy of the bible, and that your brand of extremism is somehow patriotic. Fortunately, the opposite seems to be true. The man who penned the Declaration of Independence - Thomas Jefferson, for you dropouts - happened to be a diehard Deist. He was even considered to be an atheist by many in his day. Jefferson had the distinct honor of being a fornicator, a producer of bxstard children, and a blasphemer. Alexander Hamilton, the man responsible for keeping our fledgling nation afloat economically, was all but an atheist. John Adams was quite the same. George Washington, it seems, was an agnostic. James Madison, Father of the Constitution, was either a Deist or an agnostic. So. That dunt sound like a terribly Christian foundation to me, brotha. And are you telling me to read a book, darling? Oh my. See, before you accuse someone of being uneducated, you might actually want to attend school of some sort. Or even crack open a book other than the bible. Gasp! To be succint: trade one of your bibles in for some dough, get cable, and watch the History Channel for an hour or so. I would recommend you pay a visit to the library as well, but I feel that your brain would overload after exposure to something other than an ancient text. Partial-birth abortion (7-9 months) I know you love to gush over gruesome abortion details and all, but partial birth abortion is illegal. Illegal. Not legal. Get it? Nowadays, partial birth abortion occurs via underground or coat hanger. Name one chapter and verse of a stoning of a homosexual or an adulteress. That was my point. People knew the consequences to certain behaviors and did not commit them. Wait. So prescribing a good stonin' for a crime is a good way to keep order now? Ouch. Someone is stuck in the Neolithic age, man. And stoning for stupid reasons, such as not crying out loudly enough while being raped or not bleeding upon your first deflowerment? You keep working on that flint there, pal. No one is described as being stoned in the bible, but the instructions are rather clear. Folks seemed rather intent on stoning that adulterous woman, too. The verse suggests that if Jayzus had not verbally b!tch slapped the Pharisees, poor Adultressa would be been stoned. Proverbs 29:1 says 'He that being often reproved and hardens his neck shall suddenly be destroyed and that without remedy.' You seem more determined to avoid me like the plague than to smite me, darling. Aw. Poor, pwecious widdle Vicky is still scawed of that demonic Shetani! There, there. Go cower behind your husband like the good, subservient Krischin wife you are. Who knows; he might even give you a treat.
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Post by cervyy on Jan 23, 2007 22:44:38 GMT -5
Proverbs 29:1 says "He that being often reproved and hardens his neck shall suddenly be destroyed and that without remedy." I don't even know if that IS a confirmation on giving up on Shetani or not ... but it sure as heck isn't denying it. Watch out Shetani, apparently you're going to die. Some threat.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 24, 2007 19:02:30 GMT -5
Stay in "History Channel" denial dear. Your cutesy slang CAN be amusing. Still, I can see you are a sad pawn who will be snared in her own trap.
Brobreaud
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Post by shetani on Jan 24, 2007 19:54:01 GMT -5
Still, I can see you are a sad pawn who will be snared in her own trap. A sad pawn? Like a chess piece with a frown drawn on it? Bro, your powers of personification are just incredible. Please do consider a career in literature. Your first book could be titled 'I know bettar LOL sinnarz', or something awesome like that. On another topic, I can see that you are a dense little shaver who spits out half-hearted biblical threats when presented with a question he cannot answer.
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