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Post by eternalmog on Apr 10, 2006 19:49:51 GMT -5
Eternalmog, How did I know that you were going to quote 1 Cor 9:22 Would Paul become a pimp in order to win prostitutes?? I think you need to be careful that you're not twisting Paul's meaning here in order to suit your own evangelistic ideas. The problem is, if people hear your music, they are going to think it's ok to worship God with rap. You give off a bad image...i'd go as far as to say (with all respect to your heart and your walk with God) that it gives off a satanic image. Rap etc, all was born in the pit of hell and it's what people (even the ungodly) associate it with. When people think of rap, they think East side Westt side, drive by shootings, etc. I think you need to realise that the end does not justify the means. Armen, You knew I would quote 1 Cor. 9:22 because it is a valid Scripture in this discussion. I feel that what you said about Paul becoming a pimp to win prostitutes is, at best, ridiculous. Apples and oranges. I think Paul's meaning is abundantly clear. He was willing to do anything and use any means (short of doing something God forbids) he could, to see people come to Christ. And if it doesn't mean that, what else could it mean? If my music inspires people to worship God, can that be a bad thing? Why would it bother you so much for people to worship God with, or because of, a rap song they heard, as long as they worship Him in spirit and truth? When you tell me that I give off a bad, even satanic image with my music, it leads me to believe that you haven't even listened to my music. You may be using generalities again, but you are definitely not talking about any music that you've heard from me. Maybe you don't like this style of music, but to say my music gives off a satanic image. Wow! Like I said, the devil is not in the business of glorifying God. My music glorifies God, therefore, my music cannot be satanic. Again, we will have to agree to disagree. You have no basis for condemning me for what I am doing, other than the fact that you may not like this style of music. I am seeking to win people to Christ, and serve God with whatever means He provides for me, and I do it all for His glory. You should be rejoicing at the fact that I am seeking to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ, see Philippians 1:15-18. But instead you are condemning the way I am doing it! Arguing back and forth like this on a message board is getting us nowhere. I'll keep representing Christ in my music and you keep representing Christ in whatever you do. Let it all be done for His glory and we can't go wrong. The Lord bless you and keep you all, Derrick
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Post by josh on Apr 10, 2006 20:14:02 GMT -5
My turn!
Alright first off I love the Hymns! Classics full of the message of the Holiness of God!
Also I like some contemp. Chistian music, but not all. There are some great songs, but others you can't work out if they are singing to God or a loved one.
But I must say one of my favs is Keith Green, love his worship songs!
As for rap, well I have never been a big rap fan, but I do like Derricks 'Blood Bought'.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 20:19:07 GMT -5
:(
No one ever answered my question about Kanye.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 10, 2006 20:28:07 GMT -5
I can't recall the title of the song, but I have heard one all about women which was glorifying lust.
It's like DMX who will cuss you out and rape your mother the first 10 songs, but the 11th song he will pray for you and give thanks to God for the cd.
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Post by tomah on Apr 11, 2006 12:08:35 GMT -5
My point is, that such music/methods are forbidden in scripture. It's all rhythm and little melody, opposite to what scripture says (and use a faithful and accurate version and it'll say 'melody' not 'music'). Trying to worship through rap or rock is not possible. It is not worshiping in "truth". Yes, there hearts may be sincere (spirit) but they are not worshipping in 'truth'. So yes, it is a bad thing. I have listened to three songs, Blood Bought, Hell to Pay, and Halfway Christian. All of them just sound like mockery to me. I cannot take the lyrics seriously with such trashy music that was born in hell and I don't believe that it glorifies the Lord. If you are a sincere Christian (and I think that you are), then I challenge you to really seek God with an open heart and ask him if it is His will that you use such music. Continue to seek His face earnestly till you get an answer and a definate word. You must do it with a heart that is prepared to give it up IF that is what God says for you to do. That way, you'll KNOW for sure whether it's God's will or not. Just try it for a while....pray, wait and see. God will answer. God bless!
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Post by eternalmog on Apr 11, 2006 14:59:47 GMT -5
My point is, that such music/methods are forbidden in scripture. It's all rhythm and little melody, opposite to what scripture says (and use a faithful and accurate version and it'll say 'melody' not 'music'). Trying to worship through rap or rock is not possible. It is not worshiping in "truth". Yes, there hearts may be sincere (spirit) but they are not worshipping in 'truth'. So yes, it is a bad thing. I have listened to three songs, Blood Bought, Hell to Pay, and Halfway Christian. All of them just sound like mockery to me. I cannot take the lyrics seriously with such trashy music that was born in hell and I don't believe that it glorifies the Lord. If you are a sincere Christian (and I think that you are), then I challenge you to really seek God with an open heart and ask him if it is His will that you use such music. Continue to seek His face earnestly till you get an answer and a definate word. You must do it with a heart that is prepared to give it up IF that is what God says for you to do. That way, you'll KNOW for sure whether it's God's will or not. Just try it for a while....pray, wait and see. God will answer. God bless! Okay, let's say it does mean "melody," that still doesn't forbid me from making a song with rhythm in it. Does it? That is an assumption you have LEAPED to, something you have "read into" this verse that simply is not there. You are acting as if the verse says: "speaking to one another in psalms hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody [and only melody, making absolutely, positively sure that there is not even a hint of rhythm] in your hearts to the Lord" (Eph. 5:19 ATV= Armen Thomassian Version . The verse says no such thing. You can't say that something is forbidden by the Bible, just because it's not mentioned by the Bible. Unless you think not mentioned=forbidden. When God doesn't want people to do something, He always makes it very clear, usually with a "You shall not..." attached to it. But, see, that is what the "Church" has been doing for decades: forbidding things that are not forbidden by God, reading into God's Word things that are not there, then pretending they have a biblical basis for condemning certain things. I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that worshipping through rap/rock music is worshipping in spirit but not truth. But, OK. You said the three songs that you listened to "sound like mockery to me." The key words in your statement are " to me." To say my music is "trashy" and "born in hell" is kind of harsh, but that's okay, it's your opinion. You are the first and only Christian person, pastor or lay-person, who has said anything negative about my music. If that's your opinion, I respect you for it. But it is just your opinion. See, you have made another false assumption. You assume that I haven't sought God with an open heart and asked Him if it is His will that I use such music. I have sought God's face earnestly with an open heart. I did so for at least a year about this music. He did give me a "definite" word. He told me to "by all possible means...save some." That is what I am doing. He also confirmed this through another person. I prayed and asked Him to give me a song that would reach people with the gospel. A song that has enough of the gospel in it so that people could get saved listening to it. I was talking to Ray Comfort on the phone one day, and guess what he said to me: "I think that someone could get saved listening to this song." The song he was talking about is Blood Bought. On my soundclick page you will notice there have been over 30,000 song plays. The vast majority of those plays have been Blood Bought. People have downloaded from my site thousands of times. What song do they download the majority of the time? You guessed it: Blood Bought. Prayer answered, and confirmed. And God has done exceedingly, abundantly above all that I have asked or thought by giving me not only one song with a strong gospel message, but basically every song I write has a strong gospel message. Glory be to God! The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all, Derrick
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Post by tomah on Apr 11, 2006 15:27:21 GMT -5
It would 'appear' (being careful not to be accused of assuming) that you don't have many really reformed brethren in your circles if no one but me has had this view on your music. However, I am not your conscience and so after our interesting dialogue we shall agree to disagree on this issue.
God bless brother!
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Post by eternalmog on Apr 12, 2006 9:29:18 GMT -5
Armen,
You are correct. My circle consists of mostly Wesleyans, and Pentecostals.
I agree that it has been an interesting dialogue, and I'm glad we were able to handle our disagreement in a civilized manner. We shall agree to disagree.
The Lord bless you and keep you brother!
Derrick
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Post by Guest on Apr 12, 2006 10:27:18 GMT -5
I have listened and have EMOG music. I have found it to be a great blessing in evangelism. I am not a big fan of hip hop/rap but will agree the lyrics in such songs as Blood Bought, America Turna Around and Half Way Christian speak loud and clear. Because of EMOG music, I now have people coming out to church. Staff are asking questions about salvation and yes some are giving their hearts to the Lord. I would strongly disagree to say that EMOG is satanic. A different style yes, but satanic, NO. I wonder how many Christians see or hear preachers up on street corners holding signs and shouting at people who have sin think they are way off in their message. Point to think about EMOG, keep it up. You may not see the fruit right now but people are listening to the gospel through your lyrics
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Post by veritas77 on Jan 29, 2011 7:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by veritas77 on Jan 29, 2011 18:42:26 GMT -5
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Post by caymen on Mar 13, 2011 20:42:33 GMT -5
The very word "rap" is three letters of a four letter word. And fitting.
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