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Post by josh on Mar 18, 2008 3:15:57 GMT -5
If Micah has not repented of this, then I also call him to repentance. That kind of preaching brings shame upon the Gospel of Christ, and causes the heathen to blaspheme the name of God!
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 18, 2008 11:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by brandondfm on Mar 18, 2008 11:55:46 GMT -5
"WOmen need to take the right kind of classes?" Anyone see the video labled "brother Micah oputs women in their place". Thats is about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. He says women in college should only take home economics. How to sanatize diapers and IRon shirts.
My sister is a full time missionary and evanglist who has been to Hongkong, Manilla, Cebu, Jungles in the middle of no where, just to name a few places and has faced intense suffering and persecution for the Gospel. Dont tell me she shouldn't be preaching the gospel, or that the Lord only wants women to work around the house. If she has children sure he first responsiblity is that child. But IRON My shirt and sanatize the diapers... NO love in those statements.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 18, 2008 13:31:44 GMT -5
Let's be careful here Matt. Don't get me wrong, if Micah actually threatened to hit a girl and it wasn't him mocking her, then he DOES need to repent. BUT, KEEP IN MIND, these are the video clips of heathen. They can chop up things and make things look worse than they really are. Who knows what happened right after the end of the clip. If you have been out open air preaching, you will KNOW that people lie about you over and over again. I've been accused of things SEVERAL times that I didn't do. Again, I'm not supporting everything Micah does by any means, just saying be careful brother...
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 18, 2008 17:51:25 GMT -5
Let's be careful here Matt. Don't get me wrong, if Micah actually threatened to hit a girl and it wasn't him mocking her, then he DOES need to repent. BUT, KEEP IN MIND, these are the video clips of heathen. They can chop up things and make things look worse than they really are. Who knows what happened right after the end of the clip. If you have been out open air preaching, you will KNOW that people lie about you over and over again. I've been accused of things SEVERAL times that I didn't do. Again, I'm not supporting everything Micah does by any means, just saying be careful brother... I totally agree with this. It astonashes me how christians take the word of heathens as truth over other christians. I can't believe that this preacher threathened to hit this girl without some kind of christian antidote behind it. We only see what the heathens want us to see. If Micah did do this as accused, then yes, it was wrong. But i cannot believe he did. Not after seeing him minister time and time again.
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 18, 2008 22:02:01 GMT -5
I personally don't think he had the intention of even trying to hit her. What I'm saying is that scripturally he shouldn't be doing such things in the first place. These are ungodly actions that will hurt the cause of Christ rather than further the Kingdom. Also I do believe that he was not nor has been yet entirely truthful about the situation as in how it happened.
Also this isn't the only video of which he acts more like a comedian rather than one bearing the Good News of Christ. So given that I am merely asking him to publically repent since such antics have been done publically and are more harm than good.
In Christ Matt
P.S: I was thinking today (and have thought about this before) that in the past I had done things that needed to be rebuked openly and though I didn't like being reproved and rebuked openly and sometimes I even had resentment but looking back I think it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Because with all seriousness the times I wasn't rebuked openly such things continued longer than they should have. (Because I was either purposely rebelling or doing it through ignorance.) But since I was rebuked openly I repented and the Lord always blessed me in it.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 19, 2008 7:32:51 GMT -5
I agree with Kerrigan that it is very hard to judge someone's preaching simply by going by the clips that heathen will put up. Those types of clips are usually short and always of very heated or very controversial times. Here are some videos that I took of Micah when I was preaching with him last year in Ohio: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brother+micah+open+air+outreach&search_type=There's about 6 videos, each ten minutes long, and can help others get a feel for what Micahs preaching is like.
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 19, 2008 12:09:25 GMT -5
I also agree with RevK but there are also many things within Micah's preaching that are in fact ungodly in how the message is presented. As I told Micah in a P.M I thought that his preaching when there was no strange antics was amoung the best that I have seen for an Open Air Preacher. But when there is unnecessary descriptions and unedifying words being spoken I think it destroys the entirety of the message and is therefore a mockery to God's Holiness.
For whatever reason my internet connection is very slow presently so I am thus far unable to watch the above videos. But once my connection speeds up I will take the time brother Jesse and check them out.
In Christ Matt
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 19, 2008 16:06:28 GMT -5
The girl told me she did not hate God, that she loved God and was trying to come at me and had to be restrained.
Why does someone need to be restrained? I used to work in Juevenile Justice and I know when someone is about to become violent.
Yes, I mocked her saying she loved God by saying she was going to punch me to prove it.
Just like the same week another girl claimed to be a real Christian and dropped the f-bomb. Oh yeah a real Christian! Full of the love of God.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 20, 2008 19:55:14 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with using polemics and sarcasm when preaching the Gospel, so long as it's not for the sake of being clever alone. The Bible is full of wonderful wit and sarcasm, a lot of it very scathing... Some times the "trees of the Lord are" too "full of sap" and we forget that mocking can be very useful to expose the foolishness and hypocrisy of the world's philosophies and views.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 20, 2008 20:02:01 GMT -5
actually yes there is. Jesus NEVER USED SARCASM OR WITTY LANGUAGE.
Demeaning someones intelligence is not a salvations technique. but perhaps you can shed light and suggest where in the bible you are quoting from.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 20, 2008 20:06:20 GMT -5
messengermicah Elder Member Just like the same week another girl claimed to be a real Christian and dropped the f-bomb. Oh yeah a real Christian! Full of the love of God.
F- bombs are a sign of frustration. perhaps you could have cooled her mind and taught truth instead of commenting on what a bad christian she was.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 20, 2008 20:13:00 GMT -5
Jesus DID use witty language:
Matthew 15:26-28 26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” 27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour
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Mark 7:27-29 27 But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” 28 And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.” 29 Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”
Jesus was very clever here in his analogies when he referred to the Pharisees as snakes, white washed tombs, swallowing camels,
The Book "A Serrated Edge" deals very nicely with the Bible's sarcasm (old and new testament) and the use of sarcasm today.
We should follow Jesus' example and not use sarcasm for the sake of being clever or to intentionally slander someone or degrade them, or use it all the time and become like the man in proverbs who jests, but then says I'm only kidding, for he's like a man shooting fiery arrows into a crowd - but should use it to the glory of God, exposing foolishness, hypocrisy and sin.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 20, 2008 20:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 20, 2008 20:34:56 GMT -5
I guess anything goes if it can be obscurely justified by scripture.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 21, 2008 19:20:07 GMT -5
Yes, Matt I think Elijah was in sin when he mocked the false prophets of Baal right before God honored his prayer by sending fire from heaven.
I think Solomon was in sin when he instructed us to answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own conceits (Proverbs 26).
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Post by osubamey on Mar 21, 2008 19:43:43 GMT -5
I have to say that with many of the Open Air Preachers I've seen, I'm turned off more by the way things are said, rather than what is being said. As being one of the "heathen" you are trying to reach, I'm just trying to add in my opinion as an objective outsider observer from my experiences.
The person who I have found most effective is Miles. Why? Well, it's probably because I've spoken with him more than anyone else. But even with the other members of his group, I find that they are always yelling, always accusing, and stuff like that. And while I understand that this is all important, to make yourself heard, to tell people they are wrong, etc., Miles will actually take the time to stop and listen to what someone has to say. He doesn't talk non-stop. It feels much more like a dialog than a shouting match where both parties are trying to be heard.
Now, Micah, I can see that you are extremely passionate about what you do. But they way you do it makes me question what your beliefs are. At times, even in the longer clips that I've seen of you, it almost seems like your objective is more to insult, degrade, disgust, or shock than actually spread the word of God. Even as a non-believer, or "heathen" as you would like to put it, I find this disturbing. The part that strikes me as most disgusting/unnecessary are the graphic descriptions of anal sex and sexual actions in general that you tend to do no matter what campus you visit. As someone who has watched almost all the videos on YouTube with you in them, and been around people who have seen you in person and in videos, no one takes you seriously when you do that. They think you're just another crazy wacko with a Bible in his hand.
Now, as one who is in the news business, I can understand part of this strategy to get your message out there. Hit them with something that makes them stop and say, "Wait, what was that? I want to find out more," and then deliver your message. The disturbing trend I find, however, is all of the message is becoming is that beginning "shocking" hit, and then it continuing. People tune this out. It's like a story that is all rising action and no falling action, it gets boring. And it makes what you are saying, to non-believers and even to fellow Christians, something that we just tune out.
*shrugs* Just my two cents.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 22, 2008 14:39:53 GMT -5
Well I thank God for Brother Miles. He can reach people I cannot. Yes, I realize not everyone will like my preaching, receive my preaching, understand my preaching, etc. I thank God I am not the only open air preacher out there.
I am very limited. I am strong in certain areas and weak in others. Others are strong where I am weak.
I am certainly not going to allow someone who is living in rebellion against God (yourself by your own personal admission) dictate how I should preach.
I can show fruit from my preaching. People converted, people in churches, people on fire for God, people open air preaching. I can name names, introduce you to them, point you to them, etc. I have a relationship with them.
Yes, my primary initial goal on campus is to show sinners they are condemned before God. Yes, this will make them feel bad (2 Corinthians 7:10). Yes, they think I am insulting them and degrading them. They have degraded themselves and I am pointing this out to them.
They are condemned. They are damned. I am showing them this. This is why they need to repent.
Most of the videos of preachers on this website (there are very few) are videos that have been carefully edited by the preachers themselves.
I have never posted a video of myself preaching. I do not know how to do this and if I did I do not know if I would.
I do not constantly make references to anal sex and oral sex. I preach against homosexuality and homosexuality is anal sex is it not? It is a plague on this nation and it is a prevalent sin.
Mentioning anal sex, oral sex, is not being graphic or explicit. The most graphic thing I have said since August has been something like "A p---- does not belong up someone's a---".
Homosexuals and most students believe that this type of sex is ok. It is not.
Yes, these are the videos they post. If I thought this was too graphic and explicit I would not use this phrase.
I can't help but wonder if people watch pornography or are involved in some kind of sexual immorality when they make such a big deal about an occasional mention of this.
Sometimes I honestly believe people use this as a reason to criticize the preaching because they are involved in other types of sin that I am preaching against (such as masturbation, rock or rap music, immodest clothes, watching more sports than prayer and bible reading, etc).
As a result I will no longer mention the putting a male organ up a rectum.
Do I think this will make a difference to these critics?
I don't think it will make a dimes worth of difference on how people like me, my preaching or the results it brings.
The critics use this as a reason (and I will remove this reason for them now) becasue they
1) Do not obey the great commission to open air preach and they know they should.
2) If they do open air preach they do not have the prayer life or the lifestyle to boldly confront sin and sinners in no vague and uncertain terms.
3) Because they preach so vaguely it makes no impact and they get little or no crowd.
4) They are involved in the sins I am preaching against.
To the critics:
As I mentioned above I will no longer mention the private parts.
Provide your video footage of yourself preaching to large, heckling angry crowds with trick questions, slanders, accusations, and threats of violence.
Provide testimonies of fruit of your open air preaching.
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Post by rebecca on Mar 22, 2008 15:11:15 GMT -5
I think that's great and I believe your ministry will be blessed even more in time.
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 22, 2008 16:59:16 GMT -5
Huh? The great commission is only in reference to "Open Air Preaching" where did you find this at?
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Post by osubamey on Mar 22, 2008 20:14:16 GMT -5
I am certainly not going to allow someone who is living in rebellion against God (yourself by your own personal admission) dictate how I should preach. I wasn't telling you how to preach, Micah, far from it. I was telling you what, from my opinion, someone who you are TRYING to reach, works for us and what doesn't. Whether you choose to change it or not, that's your prerogative. I apologize for actually trying to help you reach the "heathens" like me. I won't make the same mistake again. Except for the fact that you ARE actually insulting them. You call girls cracksleepers without even knowing them. You call them very *friendly* persons. You say guys are horny frat boys automatically. You make these broad generalizations that simply are not true. And you will make pointed insults at people you don't even know, and that is what is making them so angry, not because you are saying something they don't want to hear. I will agree with this. That's how I first came to this site. There was a video posted online that was edited to make it look like I was saying things that I didn't say. Homosexuality does not always involve anal sex. I actually know homosexual couples that do not engage in anal sex for various reasons, some of them health related, some of them personal. From Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, homosexuality is defined as "erotic activity with one of the same sex". Erotic activity can be defined as kissing. So, no, homosexuality does not mean anal sex. Lesbians are homosexuals and I doubt they would only have anal sex, don't you? I direct you to this, almost six minute video of yourself, where you graphically describe "horny frat devils" trying to steal a "naive, innocent virgin girl's" virginity, without ever once mentioning the Bible or scripture. The video is unedited throughout your entire rant. Enjoy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K4PuCoIHEg Now, come on. Is there really a need for all of that? "Pre-marital breast fondling?" Describing step by step what a boy would do? Why not just point out the Biblical and health benefits of staying a virgin until marriage? Why the rant? I'm not criticizing because I don't agree with what you are saying, which I don't, for the record. I'm not even criticizing you for the way that you say it. I'm criticizing because I feel that there is a better, more effective way of reaching the people you want to reach. Isn't that what's most important? If not to turn people back to Christianity, at least make them question what they are doing in their lives now? Most people, not all, but most with you, Micah, laugh or heckle and walk away. Some are even turned off by how you are saying the good word. And it isn't just limited to you, don't get me wrong. I've had BASIC (Brothers and Sisters In Christ), our Christian group here at SUNY Oswego, come up to me while members of Miles' group is preaching and say, "He doesn't represent true Christianity, we're not like that, that's not what we stand for." And I know you'll say that they are hypocrites, and that is your right, but someone who talks to me and will have a discussion with me is much more likely to get me to re-think my beliefs, rather than someone who stands there yelling at me and insulting me.
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Post by openairforce on Mar 22, 2008 22:59:28 GMT -5
I agree with Kerrigan that it is very hard to judge someone's preaching simply by going by the clips that heathen will put up. Those types of clips are usually short and always of very heated or very controversial times. Here are some videos that I took of Micah when I was preaching with him last year in Ohio: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brother+micah+open+air+outreach&search_type=There's about 6 videos, each ten minutes long, and can help others get a feel for what Micahs preaching is like. I just finished watching these videos. I have to say that was some good preaching! Praise the Lord Brother for you faithful witness. I for one did not see anything on there that was out of line. Brother Micah uses a tremendous amount of scripture. I know that I must work much harder to be able to retain that much scripture. Definitely one thing I am lacking. Lord Bless
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Post by rebecca on Mar 23, 2008 18:34:00 GMT -5
I agree with Kerrigan that it is very hard to judge someone's preaching simply by going by the clips that heathen will put up. Those types of clips are usually short and always of very heated or very controversial times. Here are some videos that I took of Micah when I was preaching with him last year in Ohio: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brother+micah+open+air+outreach&search_type=There's about 6 videos, each ten minutes long, and can help others get a feel for what Micahs preaching is like. I just finished watching these videos. I have to say that was some good preaching! Praise the Lord Brother for you faithful witness. I for one did not see anything on there that was out of line. Brother Micah uses a tremendous amount of scripture. I know that I must work much harder to be able to retain that much scripture. Definitely one thing I am lacking. Lord Bless I think Micah's preaching is some of the best I've seen. I think it's great he uses alot of scripture and he seems to communicate really well with the students which is not at all easy I'm sure. His wife does really well too. You can't argue with scripture.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 23, 2008 19:07:06 GMT -5
Yes Brother Micah uses a ton of scriptures when he preaches. He's a Bible machine. That's what I love about his preaching. I'd say that it's quite possible that 85% of his preaching is quoting scriptures which is not something that I can say about any other open air preacher that I know of.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 25, 2008 12:02:42 GMT -5
osubamey,
This guy was a heathen like you when he heard me preach and was converted.
This is from a University of Central Florida Student:
I remember when I was first regenerated; about 9 months ago, after walking out of a meeting with my philosophy professors at UCF. It was a cold afternoon as I slowly walked down the sidewalk, pondering about all the theories my professors taught me, trying to find the truth; when suddenly, God revealed to me that truth cannot be found through wisdom, and no more than a couple of steps later, I heard, “This is the truth!” Instantly, I looked ahead, and there he was, Mr. Micah; the crazy evangelist that I had seen and heard many times before. But this time was different; this time, his words, no, God’s words, tugged at my heart, they resonated within my being – I had to get more. As I drew closer, my ears could hear and my mind could understand that what this man was saying is the truth; even though I didn’t like his style of preaching. Like lightning, my spirit began to jolt creating a grand fire within my heart – I couldn’t contain this feeling! Speedily I drove home (God forgive me) to my apartment, ran to my room and pulled out my Bible; ironically I’ve always had Bibles lying around. With a racing heart I desperately scanned the book of Matthew, noticing that the words in red were causing my spirit to leap once more. But something I wasn’t expecting happened; the Spirit of God had moved in me so much that I started to see myself for who I truly was – a sinner, a child of wrath who is totally depraved and unable to do good things, a liar, an adulterer by heart, a murderer by heart, a thief, and a hypocrite. All these things I felt and knew. Crying on the floor and pulling my hair in distress, I screamed to God in silence for forgiveness and mercy; I knew I had done Him a great wrong. I didn’t have someone to guide me through a prayer, so naturally, I cried out to our Lord Jesus Christ all the wicked things I hade done in hope of forgiveness, and I pleaded for God to create in me a new heart, and to give me His Holy Spirit because I acknowledged that without Him I am nothing. Deeply disturbed, I must admit, I was quite the hypocrite to plead to God, “I’m horrible! I can’t do anything good without you!” only to go back on my computer to search the web on how to get saved; as if what I had done was not proof that I had just been saved. For I had only read up to my favorite part of Scripture, where Jesus Christ says, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it” (Matt. 16:24-25), and by then the word faith had only come up 11 times; never once in context of salvation. But moments later, after clicking a button that read “Click here and accept Jesus Christ now,” I had read a 20 page prayer which God used to reveal to me that salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ; which of course, is preceded and followed by repentance.
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Post by brandondfm on Mar 25, 2008 21:12:16 GMT -5
IF God can use a donkey I guess he can use MIcah !
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Post by openairforce on Mar 25, 2008 21:41:34 GMT -5
IF God can use a donkey I guess he can use MIcah ! EPH 5 1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. 3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.
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Post by osubamey on Mar 27, 2008 7:36:12 GMT -5
osubamey, This guy was a heathen like you when he heard me preach and was converted. /snip wall of text Congratulations. You have a letter. Would you like a cookie? You could I written that letter up yourself to post it here. I'm not saying that you did, but you certainly could have. And, frankly, even if the letter is real, what is your point? That your preaching has borne fruit? Again, congratulations. If you want to compare how many people we have converted to one side or another, well, I'll just say that is just useless posturing to me and about as useful as men bragging about the size of their certain male organ. I can't say I've converted anyone to agnosticism. But I certainly have forced a number of people to very closely examine their beliefs and question why they believe what they believe. Some have come out as stronger Christians because of it. Some have turned away from their faith. To me, it doesn't matter what they choose to do. I merely present an alternative viewpoint and it is their choice whether or not to agree with that viewpoint. In that way, you and I are very much alike. However, returning to my main point, I really don't see the point of that letter. If you'd actually care to respond to my debate points posted in the posted I had written previously, I'd be happy to continue with you.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 27, 2008 13:37:24 GMT -5
Actually , I take this as a way of humbling her straightforwardness. If I remember right, she wasn't an Israelite. Her faith was great only because she didn't take it with offence as many many many people do. It is right to test the mind and the heart, if there is a useful lesson to come out of it. Don't get me wrong, I do think Jesus had a sense of humor. Betty eadie's book "embraced by the light" testified of his laughter and no abuse was given to her lack of knowledge. Just love. Jesus DID use witty language: Matthew 15:26-28 26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” 27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour AND Mark 7:27-29 27 But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” 28 And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.” 29 Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” Jesus was very clever here in his analogies when he referred to the Pharisees as snakes, white washed tombs, swallowing camels, The Book "A Serrated Edge" deals very nicely with the Bible's sarcasm (old and new testament) and the use of sarcasm today. We should follow Jesus' example and not use sarcasm for the sake of being clever or to intentionally slander someone or degrade them, or use it all the time and become like the man in proverbs who jests, but then says I'm only kidding, for he's like a man shooting fiery arrows into a crowd - but should use it to the glory of God, exposing foolishness, hypocrisy and sin.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 27, 2008 13:43:54 GMT -5
A donkey, a monkey, and mexican go to drink wine at Jesus'. Jesus says, "Take this wine", The donkey refused, the monkey asked where the fruit was and the mexican asked where the worm was.
Jesus shook his head and said "You couldn't keep a simple request without refuseing, complaining or asking for a filthy creatures in it."
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