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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 1:11:16 GMT -5
Lol, lemme do my proving =D.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 1:14:22 GMT -5
The bible clearly uses generation in its proper definition.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 1:16:07 GMT -5
Also, does anyone know of a verse(s) that says Jesus died for people in our time?
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 2, 2006 1:29:39 GMT -5
The bible clearly uses generation in its proper definition. See, now you have made me get all fancy on you The refrences that you listed are all from the Old Testament. The hebrew word "Generation" was "Dor" in Hebrew which is defined exactly as you listed. It is a revolution in time. Now, in the New Testament generation is the Greek word "genea" It describes a meaning just as you listed....age, time, but also nationI promise I'm not just making this stuff up
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 2, 2006 1:38:47 GMT -5
Also, does anyone know of a verse(s) that says Jesus died for people in our time? Here's one Eph 3:11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: Eph 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access in confidence through our faith in him. Eph 3:13 Wherefore I ask that ye may not faint at my tribulations for you, which are your glory. Eph 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father, Eph 3:15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, Eph 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that ye may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; Eph 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, Eph 3:18 may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, Eph 3:19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Eph 3:21 unto him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all generations for ever and ever. Amen.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 2, 2006 7:13:01 GMT -5
now, if my eyes serve me right, the word 'die for humanity' is not in those verses.
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 2, 2006 10:01:49 GMT -5
now, if my eyes serve me right, the word 'die for humanity' is not in those verses. That is correct. There were two reasons that I used those verses (1) It was one that I knew offhand that showed that Jesus' purpose spanned all time. (2) It was 1:30 in the morning and I didn't do any research, just quoted one that I knew. But because I love you guys, I'll do some more digging over the weekend.....also on the mass "Exodous" document (no pun intended,,,,well, ok, maybe) that ABB posted. I do want to thank you guys for being civil through this discussion and as it goes on. I'm learning a lot from your questions and I do appreciate it!!
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 10:59:34 GMT -5
And thank you too for being civil =D. Bible thumper, if you're reading this, beep you.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 11:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 2, 2006 11:18:38 GMT -5
Ok, the dictionary that I was using included nation (Again, I promise I'm not making this up ;D ) I'll email you the source of what I am using and could you do the same? This should be a interesting word study to do together? ok, that wasn't civil at all......lets "be well" k?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 2, 2006 11:19:38 GMT -5
Aight, lemme get my sources =D.
Lmao.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 3, 2006 12:04:47 GMT -5
tony, your knowledge of scripture doesn't confound me. the scripture you used was out of context, and had little to do with anything being discussed.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 4, 2006 16:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 4, 2006 20:06:38 GMT -5
tony, your knowledge of scripture doesn't confound me. the scripture you used was out of context, and had little to do with anything being discussed. Which one were you talking about.....The one from Eph?
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 4, 2006 20:17:33 GMT -5
Hey man....hope you had a good weekend. Using the translator that you gave me.....I translated Genia from Greek to English....Here is what I got ãåíéÜ = generation, lineage, race So enough with the meaning of the word "generation" debate already? You asked why God wouldn't be clear on things like this. I submit that He is. May be a little complicated to us since we don't speak Greek. I would also suggest that presuppositions have something to do with it. Since you are reading the Scripture knowing that it is wrong, you are looking for errors and problems. Anything that isn't nice, tidy and neat in the way it is written is automaticly considered problematic. (In fairness, I do the same with the materials that you send. I'm trying VERY hard to be objective and not do that, but as you know, it's tough. )
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 5, 2006 6:10:02 GMT -5
tony, the reason why linguistics is debated is because if the words are translated wrong then often times it changes the entire meaning........
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 5, 2006 9:23:06 GMT -5
Well.....ok, thats very true. Point taken!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 5, 2006 15:34:16 GMT -5
this goes without saying, tony, in every element of human language--not just the bible. history is often misinterpreted because language continuously evolves.
think of your own life, and how language has changed. people speak differently, and its often unnoticable at the time. new words constantly enter our dictionary whilst others become extinct or modified to mean something else.
this can be applied to mathematics, since numbers and equations and all that jazz is a language of its own. this can be applied to virtually everything, and if you really take time out of your day to consider it....human language is what defines humanity.
consider this word:
eternity.
humans created this word because we have very little understanding of time.
...and it goes on and on.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 5, 2006 16:50:24 GMT -5
Look at old english. Hell, Shakespeare wrote in contemporary english and his writing is still hard to decipher. But here, at the infidelguy website, they posted this link. 67.48.88.76/BG-Jesus_didnt_die_for_us.mp3 Arkaro asked the bible geek dude to check it out. quote Arkaro:
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 6, 2006 15:39:07 GMT -5
neat.
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 6, 2006 16:05:07 GMT -5
Look at old english. Hell, Shakespeare wrote in contemporary english and his writing is still hard to decipher. But here, at the infidelguy website, they posted this link. 67.48.88.76/BG-Jesus_didnt_die_for_us.mp3 Arkaro asked the bible geek dude to check it out. quote Arkaro: Well....Dr. Price certainly had a analysis. It sounded like much of the same ground that we covered together here, and I pray that the explanations that I gave you are at least food for consideration. It seemed that the issue came to a head over the definition of the word generation for which I proved that it does cover race, just as it does our definition of generation, and I used the tools that you provided to share that. In the end though, I can only provide you with information. I can't nor will I try to "make" you believe it. That part is completley up to you.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 6, 2006 16:07:12 GMT -5
..until further notice, i will not be accepting christ unless he knocks on my door asking for donations. but hey, anything is possible.
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