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Post by abb on Jul 6, 2006 14:49:14 GMT -5
Why do you xians fear "sinners" commenting on the bible? Are you afraid of what we might show you in a section that you actually look in? Please, do tell us why heathens aren't allowed into the doctorine and theology section.
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Post by Grant on Jul 7, 2006 12:43:53 GMT -5
abb,
Without being born-again of His Spirit, you cannot comprehend it.
You don't have to agree with that statement but its Biblical and has proven to be true... in every post by non-believers (and even those thinking they are Christian but not believing Scripture and therefore siding with non-believers) making attempts to find inconsistancies or contradictions in the Bible, I've only seen failed attempts spawned by blindness and pride, lacking logic, reason and respect. And as we've stated before, if non-believers came to really discuss Biblical topics/issues with the goal to understand it and even capable of receiving a truth that changes their view, then it might be profitable. But so far the mindset of non-believers on this site has been nothing of the sort but only to mock, not to better understand.
I suspect you'll now accuse me of not answering your question and make blasting statements about me... please prove me wrong.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 7, 2006 18:24:50 GMT -5
Without being born-again of His Spirit, you cannot comprehend it. *cough* special pleading *cough* *cough* ... its Biblical and has proven to be true... in every post by non-believers (and even those thinking they are Christian but not believing Scripture and therefore siding with non-believers) making attempts to find inconsistancies or contradictions in the Bible, I've only seen failed attempts spawned by blindness and pride, lacking logic, reason and respect. Appeal to authority and poisoning the well Appeal to authority: just because something is biblical, doesn't mean it is logical or true Poisoning the well: you cannot prove that there are no inconsistancies in the bible, by accusing the bible's critics of being blinded, proud, illogical, unreasonable and disrespectful. The fact that you make an accusation against us, doesn't mean that we actually are illogical or unreasonable. I routinely find formal and informal fallacies in your rhetoric. Evan cannot respond to my threads abotu evolution. Jesse can't respond to my reply on his apologetics thread. You (i.e. Grant), Dan and Doc H avoid me like the plague. Theistic beliefs do not equal aptitude with reason. In fact, theistic beliefs often prohibit rational thought, though there are notable exceptions (e.g. Aquinas, Kierkegaard, etc.). Not that I care about posting on your doctrine board. It makes sense for y'all to have a private board for in house discussion. Though, the board administrators should probably hide the board from the public. Make it invite only. Better for y'all to talk completely behind our backs. You know, if you want to run your mouth like in your cowardly thread here.
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Post by cervyy on Jul 7, 2006 23:52:44 GMT -5
They want us to be like children to God's message and say we are childish when we don't get it. Weird, huh?
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Post by Grant on Jul 9, 2006 21:16:31 GMT -5
You (i.e. Grant), Dan and Doc H avoid me like the plague. I'm sorry if you feel that way but I actually have given as much attention to you and others as I possibly could. My deepest desire is to express to you what's on my heart, my understanding and the character of GOD. Better for y'all to talk completely behind our backs. You know, if you want to run your mouth like in your cowardly thread here. I apologize if you feel I was "talking behind your back" but knowing you have permission to read the posts wouldn't classify it as that. But I was seeking Godly support by brethren and I wasn't aware it would offend anyone. For that, I apologize. As far as being a coward for posting it, that response is a great example of what is so frustrating. I could go into so many details on why it wasn't cowardly but to do so would be in vain. I've chosen to simply respond to posts that seem to truly need a response that could in some way bring glory to GOD, not me. I wont defend myself and consider myrself dead anyway. It is Christ in me who lives and He alone who deserves glory... (my frustration noted in that post is a great example of me living in the flesh, my old nature resurfacing... repentance was in order as was my apology) I thank the LORD for the brethren support on these boards and for His patience with me. Glory to GOD!
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 9, 2006 22:00:25 GMT -5
You called the non-believers on this forum "rude morons" and "4th graders with attitude" on a forum where we are not allowed to respond. That's cowardly and mean spirited. There's no two ways around it. There is absolutely no bible verse that would support that kind of cowardly insult. A real Christian would apologize and move on. You, OTOH, claim that you are justified and we lowly heathens just wouldn't understand. Hmm.
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Post by Grant on Jul 9, 2006 22:54:05 GMT -5
You called the non-believers on this forum "rude morons" and "4th graders with attitude" on a forum where we are not allowed to respond. That's cowardly and mean spirited. There's no two ways around it. There is absolutely no bible verse that would support that kind of cowardly insult. A real Christian would apologize and move on. You, OTOH, claim that you are justified and we lowly heathens just wouldn't understand. Hmm. As I re-read my post, I see it clearly states "I feel like..." as in my feeling when speaking to them, and is not name calling. But this could be my fault in making statements that could be misunderstood as such. I apologize for being loose on my communication. I also didn't call anyone "rude morons" but described exactly what we've all been accused of as well, "not thinking rationally or logically." I don't see that as name calling but if it is, then again, I apologize. I (again) apologize for my lack of communication and pray the LORD helps in making my lame attempts to explain myself more clear to you. I do hope someday to be able to be understood so that GOD would be glorified in my life. Please, LORD, help me!
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Post by robdog on Jul 11, 2006 11:40:30 GMT -5
Why do you xians fear "sinners" commenting on the bible? Are you afraid of what we might show you in a section that you actually look in? Please, do tell us why heathens aren't allowed into the doctorine and theology section. Because you don't believe in God...that forum is for believers... I don't think there's any fear involved...it's a forum for debating about appples and oranges...but it's difficult when people constantly interject that the apples don't exist...it's counterproductive to the entire debate. It's like trying to be a part of a cars forum but all you talk about is milk jugs...it doesn't add to the conversation...ya feel me?
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Post by robdog on Jul 11, 2006 11:48:05 GMT -5
You called the non-believers on this forum "rude morons" and "4th graders with attitude" on a forum where we are not allowed to respond. That's cowardly and mean spirited. There's no two ways around it. There is absolutely no bible verse that would support that kind of cowardly insult. A real Christian would apologize and move on. You, OTOH, claim that you are justified and we lowly heathens just wouldn't understand. Hmm. I agree that those comments weren't appropriate. No one, not one Christian, IMHO, thinks of non-believers as "lowely." If anything, Christ opens hearts and minds to love all of God's creatures. We don't look down on you. We don't think your dumb. We don't make fun of you behind your back. We don't mock your arguments. I apologize if anyone has made you feel this way, as it's not Christ-like behavior.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 11, 2006 21:23:37 GMT -5
As I re-read my post, I see it clearly states "I feel like... Premising your insults by saying "I feel like ..." does not actually remove the insult. Suppose I were to say, " I feel like Grant and the other OA preachers are over-compensating latent homosexuals with scat for brains." Is it still insulting? Yes. Again, if you were really following Christ you would admit that you were wrong and apologize. Instead, you continue to justify your behavior.
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Post by Grant on Jul 12, 2006 11:49:31 GMT -5
As I re-read my post, I see it clearly states "I feel like... Premising your insults by saying "I feel like ..." does not actually remove the insult. Suppose I were to say, " I feel like Grant and the other OA preachers are over-compensating latent homosexuals with scat for brains." Is it still insulting? Yes. Again, if you were really following Christ you would admit that you were wrong and apologize. Instead, you continue to justify your behavior. Actually, i don't see your example as insulting, no. But as I've already done numerous times already, I've apologized for my lack of communication to you. You aren't satisfied with it so all i can do is leave it at that. This is my last post on this subject... take care.
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Post by abb on Jul 12, 2006 15:29:52 GMT -5
You(generically speaking about OAO xians) say stuff such as "Even the heathen think that..." That is very condescending to think that just becase we don't believe as you do, that our thoughts our less valuable than yours.
Micah in particular had been a very big stupid head....
Evan is pretty up there.
Rebecca has those subtle insults in her posts.
It goes on.
Larry, I vote we "heathens" (I'm calling us Free Thinkers™ from now on) should be just as insulting and condescending to them. A taste of their own medicine may be just the way to show them how we feel.
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Post by abb on Jul 12, 2006 15:38:29 GMT -5
Now I'm waiting for the "OMG WHERE HAVE I DONE THAT, LOL!" response and the "DONT BE DICKHEAD, NUB!! TURN OTHER CHEECK YOU JEBUS H8R!!!!" response.
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Post by rebecca01 on Jul 12, 2006 15:46:53 GMT -5
Im sorry if I ever came across as insulting.Most of the time Im just joking around.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jul 12, 2006 17:39:40 GMT -5
Can a man born blind talk about his experiences seeing?
Can a man born deaf talk about his experiences hearing?
The theology section is for those who have experienced the reality of the scriptures to discuss it. It it not for those yet to experience God to talk about God.
Somethings are in house debates only. It is not that you guys are not allowed to comment on the bible. You can comment on the bible all you want! Just do it in the worldview debating section.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 12, 2006 18:57:09 GMT -5
Larry, I vote we "heathens" (I'm calling us Free Thinkers™ from now on) should be just as insulting and condescending to them. A taste of their own medicine may be just the way to show them how we feel. Nah. I appreciate the show of unity, abb, but it's not that big of a deal to me. The only reason I'm still harping on Grant is because he won't apologize like a man. First, he tried to justify his insults ... now he's offering an empty apology. Grant, when you offer someone a genuine apology, you admit what you did wrong. You apologized for miscommunication. That's a guiltless crime, and a crime you didn't commit. You communicated yourself clearly. You're not guilty of incompetence ... you're guilty of malice. You intended to insult people, but you won't admit it. Just say, "I insulted you all, and I was wrong. I apologize." This is what men do when they are wrong. Rebecca, you're in the same boat. You said, "Im sorry if I ever came across as insulting.Most of the time Im just joking around." [italics added for emphasis]. That's not actually an apology. It's an apology with no admission of guilt. You're saying, "I'm sorry if YOU SCREWED UP and misinterpreted me." You are maintaining your innocence with an empty apology. Boys and girls, an apology is supposed to be a mea culpa. You have to admit that you were wrong, or it's not an apology.
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Post by abb on Jul 12, 2006 18:59:08 GMT -5
Ah, but most of you avoid the worldview debating section like the plague.
Either way, any comment we make on the bible is usually answered with the following "rebuttle": Out of context
That of course, is responded to with the heathen rebuttle "contradiction".
The conversation goes downhill from there, and the thread soon dies.
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Post by abb on Jul 12, 2006 19:00:15 GMT -5
Why the hell do you have the doctorine thread anyways? Most threads are like this:
Jimmy: I think blah blah blah Jack:AMEN Jill:AMEN Rebecca:AMEN Jesse:AMEN Moses:AMEN
etc.
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Post by abb on Jul 12, 2006 19:01:44 GMT -5
AMEN! ^.^
But on a serious note, that is what an apology should consist of.
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Post by Grant on Jul 13, 2006 9:46:00 GMT -5
Larry, I vote we "heathens" (I'm calling us Free Thinkers™ from now on) should be just as insulting and condescending to them. A taste of their own medicine may be just the way to show them how we feel. Nah. I appreciate the show of unity, abb, but it's not that big of a deal to me. The only reason I'm still harping on Grant is because he won't apologize like a man. First, he tried to justify his insults ... now he's offering an empty apology. Grant, when you offer someone a genuine apology, you admit what you did wrong. You apologized for miscommunication. That's a guiltless crime, and a crime you didn't commit. You communicated yourself clearly. You're not guilty of incompetence ... you're guilty of malice. You intended to insult people, but you won't admit it. Just say, "I insulted you all, and I was wrong. I apologize." This is what men do when they are wrong. Rebecca, you're in the same boat. You said, "Im sorry if I ever came across as insulting.Most of the time Im just joking around." [italics added for emphasis]. That's not actually an apology. It's an apology with no admission of guilt. You're saying, "I'm sorry if YOU SCREWED UP and misinterpreted me." You are maintaining your innocence with an empty apology. Boys and girls, an apology is supposed to be a mea culpa. You have to admit that you were wrong, or it's not an apology. I apologize for offending you.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 13, 2006 12:21:34 GMT -5
christians have a monopoly on the bible. they interpret it to support their own personal beliefs, and use it against people that they fear. they use scapegoats like 'holy spirit' to prevent more reasonable and intelligent people from destroying their illusions.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 13, 2006 21:30:17 GMT -5
I apologize for offending you. Wow. You still don't get it. You're still putting the blame on me, because I felt offended. Again, here's how apologies work: "I insulted you. I am sorry." Do you see the difference? It's called mea culpa. Don't apologize for my reaction, apologize for your malicious intent.
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Post by oap001 on Jul 13, 2006 21:54:48 GMT -5
I apologize for offending you. Wow. You still don't get it. You're still putting the blame on me, because I felt offended. Again, here's how apologies work: "I insulted you. I am sorry." Do you see the difference? It's called mea culpa. Don't apologize for my reaction, apologize for your malicious intent. You should make an apology for wearing that hat.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 13, 2006 22:40:40 GMT -5
Why the hell do you have the doctorine thread anyways? Most threads are like this: Jimmy: I think blah blah blah Jack:AMEN Jill:AMEN Rebecca:AMEN Jesse:AMEN Moses:AMEN etc. T o d i s c u s s t h e W o r d o f G o d, was that slow enough for you.
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Post by bullhornbob on Jul 13, 2006 22:56:02 GMT -5
You should make an apology for wearing that hat. Now that was funny! Please, look to the left for proper headgear!
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Post by oap001 on Jul 14, 2006 0:05:14 GMT -5
That is correct...great headgear brother!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 24, 2006 0:25:05 GMT -5
yes and yes. blind men see with their other senses, and so do the deaf. in fact, most people would say that the blind/deaf redirect what they cannot use to their other senses to magnify them. for example, most blind people hear better than people who can see. deaf people have a heightened sense of smell and taste--perhaps even vision.
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Post by tonyholland on Jul 24, 2006 11:21:39 GMT -5
I apologize for offending you. Wow. You still don't get it. You're still putting the blame on me, because I felt offended. Again, here's how apologies work: "I insulted you. I am sorry." Do you see the difference? It's called mea culpa. Don't apologize for my reaction, apologize for your malicious intent. Ahhhh, so you believe that Grant has "malicious intent"? You seriously think that he went out of his way just to offend you? Come on man.....I know that some of the things that are said come across as harsh and even insulting, but no one on this board is making a premeditated effort to offend you or anyone else. It would seem, and correct me if I am wrong, that this is more about you being right, rather than feeling insulted and needing a apology. Like so many other non-belivers on this board, you aren't hear to discuss or even debate....You are here to tell Christians they are wrong and belittle any explanation that you are given. The question that baffles me is this....Have you no better way to spend your time?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 25, 2006 10:48:35 GMT -5
"you aren't hear to discuss or even debate"
i am here to discuss and debate, but you--and jesse--are the ones who will not let me in the theology forum. so, instead, i am put in the same loop as all the other atheist--kids.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 29, 2006 19:53:36 GMT -5
"you aren't hear to discuss or even debate" i am here to discuss and debate, but you--and jesse--are the ones who will not let me in the theology forum. so, instead, i am put in the same loop as all the other atheist--kids. You don't believe on Christ, you believe in Allah, not the one true God, that is why you are stuck here.
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