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Post by oap001 on Aug 24, 2006 16:06:29 GMT -5
And Satan is using homosexuality to silence the Church....how? By making people date? Jeeze a lou, Satan ain't what he used to be. Yes it's true..they are using hate crime laws to take away our free speech rights to preach the Gospel. The good news to homosexuals that Jesus Saves. They have civility codes in public colleges that state that you can't hurt their feelings. Silencing the Gospel yet again. And so on and so on. They want the Gospel to be silenced.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 24, 2006 16:08:52 GMT -5
And Satan is using homosexuality to silence the Church....how? By making people date? Jeeze a lou, Satan ain't what he used to be. Yes it's true..they are using hate crime laws to take away our free speech rights to preach the Gospel. The good news to homosexuals that Jesus Saves. They have civility codes in public colleges that state that you can't hurt their feelings. Silencing the Gospel yet again. And so on and so on. They want the Gospel to be silenced. Homosexuals have no feelings; at least most of them. The majority prey on children. Homosexual lovers disagree; statistics show a ratio of same sex violations FAR outweighing that of opposite sex violations. Let the homosexuals raise their gay voices; I'll raise mine louder. PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!
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Post by oap001 on Aug 24, 2006 16:11:13 GMT -5
They are like the walking dead. Its not homophobia it's sin...that's the reason for their melancholy.
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Post by cervyy on Aug 24, 2006 16:21:55 GMT -5
The only zombies I'm seeing is y'alls. You guys are scaring me. Honestly?? You should all see a shrink, better yet, a psychiatrist. Then they could put you on something to make you CALM DOWN!
Thumpy, honestly, you're a threat to children. I pity yours. I honestly do. Hopefully God will save them from you. I ask again to you, what sins did your parents commit to make you turn out this way?!?
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Post by robdog on Aug 24, 2006 17:32:21 GMT -5
Rob Said: Societies who give in to lasciviousness do not prosper. Then why is America what it is today? The USA has been a cesspot of filth for DECADES! God sometimes allows prosperity to DELUDE the people as they have refused to repent. It's far too cliche to say, "if you sin, you won't prosper!". Not so. Look at: Bill gates. Oprah Winfrey. Benny Hinn (Hindrance). Kenneth Copeland. Morris Cerullo. Rod Parsley. Etc Etc Pwned. *Takes a bow*
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Post by jackjackson on Aug 24, 2006 17:50:16 GMT -5
BibleThumper said:
Homosexuals have no feelings; at least most of them.
The majority prey on children.
Homosexual lovers disagree; statistics show a ratio of same sex violations FAR outweighing that of opposite sex violations.
Let the homosexuals raise their gay voices; I'll raise mine louder.
Thumper, do you witness to homosexuals or just assume they are a waste of time? As your Brother in Christ I beseech you to think about what you wrote and whether you might reconsider if it is what you want people to think your heart looks like towards them.
In July 3rd and a fireworks festival, I had the pleasure to witness to a homosexual man named James. He claimed to love Jesus, attend an Episcopel Church, and said he believed God forgives him. I spent about 30 minutes with him, finding out what he believed and and why. I then challenged him on the matter. I drew two lines in the sand we stood on and had us both stand on the far left side of the line. I said my business partner was a Unitarian and believed we all go to heaven, just because Jesus died on the cross. I asked if he believed my business partner and he didn't. He said you have to believe and love Jesus.
So I said "if Jeff is correct, all three of us go to heaven" then I had us move in the center of the lines. Then I said "if your correct, you and I get to heaven, and Jeff goes to hell because he doesn't believe in Jesus". Finally, I took him to scripture and showed him that I believed that if he remained in his sin, and didn't repent, he couldn't get to heaven." I told him that it was his choice to repent or not and that Jesus could not only forgive his sins, but take away his desire for men too. I showed him how Paul may have had feelings for women, but stayed single while he ministered for the Lord.
He went away after our conversation, but came back up to me after the event to thank me for showing the love of Christ, rather than condemning him. He said it really made an impression on him and he would read Romans 1 as I suggested and really seek God to show him that the teachers he follows were actually turning grace into a license to sin.
I kept the door open to repentance, because I was not sure if God have given him over yet to his sins and desires.
Thumper, since you don't know either with those you meet, you shouldn't be so quick to sterotype and give up on them. Thank God everyone didn't give up on me, when I was involved in my sins. What about you? Were you never a wretch?
Jack Jackson
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Post by shangxin on Aug 24, 2006 17:55:50 GMT -5
Thank God, some SANITY. Thumper, I don't know where you live, but I hear Planet Earth is a nice place and you might wanna, you know, STOP BY from time to time. I have known gay people, have talked with them and joked with them. My one friend sits across from me in art class, and we draw together and the teacher teases him and steals my food and we are EXACTLY alike, but according to you, he will probably molest a child.
You sicken me.
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Post by valentine on Aug 24, 2006 17:57:45 GMT -5
Homosexuals have no feelings ;D ;D ;D ...This would be so funny if I didn't know that you were probably serious. I like guys. Guess that means I want to molest five-year-old boys, huh?
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Post by oap001 on Aug 24, 2006 18:02:18 GMT -5
I have to side with thumper. Homosexuality is that bad. The Bible tells what their heart is like. Thumper I'll give you the honner in telling them. Its in the Bible.
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Post by valentine on Aug 24, 2006 19:40:44 GMT -5
I have to side with thumper. Homosexuality is that bad. The Bible tells what their heart is like. Thumper I'll give you the honner in telling them. Its in the Bible. I dunno: he'd have to yell over my voice, and as the kids I coached will tell you, I am pretty freaking loud.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 24, 2006 21:44:52 GMT -5
ha you haven't seen me shout the Gospel and Praises of God in front of our LOUD nightclub scene....
Oh, Val... btw, they do have feelings; I mean that they don't have feelings which are IN ANY SENSE proper.
They do not "love" their same sex partners..they lust each other.
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Post by shangxin on Aug 24, 2006 21:49:45 GMT -5
You are one seriously messed up fruit loop.
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Post by jackjackson on Aug 24, 2006 21:49:53 GMT -5
The Bible says all of our hearts a deceitfully wicked and that none of us can know them. PACP, let thumper speech for himself, he is a big boy. If he decides he put his foot in his mouth, he can humbly take it out.
There are many honosexuals that have repented and turned to Jesus Christ, just as we were once sinners and turned to Jesus Christ as well.
If we aren't going to preach to sinners (whether gay, liars, thiefs, covetors, idolators....) who are we to preach repentance too.
Jesus was always harder on the religious types that said "I am glad I am not as bad are that other guy".
If you two never saw yourselve as bad or worse than the homosexuals of today, as you were in your sins, you don't understand how bad sin is to God. Be thankful you found Jesus, and try and have his compassion, and reach out with gospel message.
If they at least listen, be thankful you planted a seed. If you get rejected, do not return evil for evil, but return evil with good, as the Bible commands us Christians to do.
We should speak the truth, but try and speak the truth in love, do you think?
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 24, 2006 21:59:49 GMT -5
I love homosexuals; I love them enough, Jack, to tell them the TRUTH.
You see words HERE and believe them to be unloving; God knows my heart, but you do not.
I am in fellowship with a former homosexual.
I am in the company of a homosexual EVERY NIGHT for cofee and chat.
I protested publically during a gay parade in June; yet, thsi homosexual man hasn;t seen hatred in what I did; he saw opinion and conviction, and I will do it again next year.
Does God love homosexuals?
Yes.
Should homosexuals be ashamed of their lifestyle?
You better believe it.
Shoudl fornicators and adulterers also be ashamed?
Yes.
Sin is sin.
Anyhow, homosexuals by majority molest childen )same sex violations are HOMOSEXUAL acts)... homosexuals also have a HIGH promiscuity rate; over 300 men in one lifetime per gay male.
They lust and GOD *not dan* calls it an ABOMINATION. (lev 18:22)
Not very loving is it, jack?
Of course it is!
Oh, Val... about that yelling contest.....
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Post by cervyy on Aug 24, 2006 22:23:09 GMT -5
And does that gay peep who you spend every night with know what you've said here?? If so I praise them for their tolerance.
How can you honestly say you love them and then say that?? You have a dark heart mister.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 24, 2006 22:38:04 GMT -5
It's because I love homosexuals, that I plead with them to repent, and is why I pray that God blesses their dirty hearts.
If I wanted them to go to hell, I would not warn them or plead with them to repent, and I would not pray that God blesses them.
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Post by cervyy on Aug 24, 2006 22:42:46 GMT -5
Whatever deity is up there better have mercy on your souls.
I need to go vomit right now, you people actually make me sick. for real.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 24, 2006 22:47:02 GMT -5
Your homosexual sympathetic god is make believe, and is an idol.
You need to repent of your idolatry, and know the God of the bible.
The God of the bible tells us what He likes and what He doesn't like.
He tells us what He expects and what He commands.
He tells us about His wrath and anger against all ungodliness and sin.
But you are making up your own god, based on your own preferences, not based on the scriptures, and that is damnedable!
If you are sicked by the preaching of righteousness, then something is terribly wrong with your appetite.
A polluted heart delights in polluted words. A pure heart delights in pure words.
God takes no delight in sin. But will punish all disobedience!
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Post by cervyy on Aug 24, 2006 22:59:56 GMT -5
Haven't heard any "pure" words from you thou Jesse. Sorry, but it's true.
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Post by jackjackson on Aug 25, 2006 14:24:12 GMT -5
Thumper:
I commend your activities in reaching those in sin and bondage to the devil, like I also do. I knew you preached to the lost, and therefore expected more compassion in your speech towards them. Jesus didn't come hard against the women caught in adultery, although we know if she died that way, He would have cast her into eternal flames. He showed mercy and grace, especially since she showed humility.
I have found in preaching to thousands of people that it is the Holy Spirits job to convict them, not mine. I present truth and let the Holy Spirit do His things. If I have a homosexual, I never start off against the sin of homosexuality, I still go through the 10 Commandments (like Ray Comfort suggested) to show them they are not just comdemned because they are gay, but will go to hell even if they weren't, because they have broken the commands and will be guilty on Judgement Day. They are ready to defend their gayness, so take it off the table and go to what's written on their heart and they can't deny, without lying. Then once, and only if they respond to the Holy Spirit's conviction on the commandments do I them mentions that Jesus has many things He despises and are abominations, like idolatry, and homosexual behavior.
This, I have found is just good planning and comes at the issue from a different direction, and works with the Holy Spirit.
I still believe for you to stereotype "all" of them as having no feelings, went over the top. Even you came back to explain in more detail what you meant to say, and explain yourself, so maybe you shouldn't try and blame shift to me, for pointing out what everyone found offensive, and probably those you speak to would also.
The fact that their affections are unnatural, is fine, because it says so in the Bible.
A great preacher of old says "if they can't see your tears for them, let them hear them". This can be truth and done loudly, but should be done in love so they don't hear you or I but the hear the Lord in us and His word. I don't want thme to be offended by me, rather by His words, spoken clearly by me.
Thumper, I am not coming against you, only along side you to give instruction and exhortation, you decide if you accept it or not.
If I didn't love you, and know you could have said it better, I would have said nothing. Just as you said if you didn't love them, you wouldn't preach to them.
Has it been your experience that you bear more fruit when you get to know them and have open loving discussions in small groups; or more fruit when you preach to a big group?
I ask because I find if I am with more than one unbeliever, and even one is disinterested and wants to go, they will try and take the others away too. Some I find or more confrontation in a group, trying to impress their peers, than they are if I can get the one on one.
I would always trade quantity for quality witnessing, but that is only what God has showed me as He has blessed me to lead nearly a thousand unbelievers to Jesus Christ, all one on one or in small groups.
Jack Jackson
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