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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 19:17:49 GMT -5
Well, let's discuss.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:20:14 GMT -5
Hopefuly this will be the start of a verrrrrry long discussion abb. Why do you believe in evolution?
I have to leave in a few but I'll be on tomorrow.....
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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 19:26:16 GMT -5
No no PACP. You made the accusation. YOU back it up. We'll go onto evolution later.
First, you prove to me this evolutionist = communist theory of yours.
I doubt you even know what the true essence of communism is. Or evolutionism for that matter.
So, prove it. "GAWD SAID IT WAS TROO LAWLS" is not valid proof, fyi.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:39:25 GMT -5
The mentality is the same.....Nazi's, communists, humanists, evolution....birds of a feather.
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Post by mahatma on Nov 29, 2006 19:40:48 GMT -5
Pach, I think the question is how it is that you consider them similar, not whether you consider them similar.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:44:12 GMT -5
The short answer is they are the same.... they are all based on evolution and a spritual evolution. The longer answer is compare the Bible to these teaching. It's simple....evolution is sin.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:47:18 GMT -5
One of the core Nazi teaching is evolution.......as with the new age. You believe that?
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Post by mahatma on Nov 29, 2006 19:48:59 GMT -5
Are you circling around to the Nazism/New Age debate? I thought we buried that horse months ago.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:53:22 GMT -5
Do you believe that it is a sin to place your trust in anything other than the Word of God?
All these things (belief systems) are basically the same and they were invented by lost men. Hovind knew that...
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Post by mahatma on Nov 29, 2006 19:55:54 GMT -5
Is it a sin to fly in an airplane then, since you are putting your trust in engineering and the skills of the pilot? No, I don't believe that having trust in something other than the Bible is a sin. I also don't believe you have shown in any significant way how evolution or an Old Earth is not biblical, or how a person who believes in an Old Earth is like a communist.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 19:58:43 GMT -5
You have to give me a chance. Trust/dependance on a belief system is not the same as trusting the chair I'm sitting on.
These man made systems have a lot in common with each other...and nothing in common with the Word of God.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:13:30 GMT -5
Actually It was Christianity that first preached communism as form of Christian living. Because no one in the community was suppose to have more than the other. but be equal in all things.
Darwin only taught a forum of evolution where animals are already advantaged over others. So No, they are not BIRDS of a feather,
Humanism is about man exalting his personal accomplishments. That also is not a bird of the same feather. Infact, humanism has no previous adaptation nor does it preach the politics of communism.
It's only the same because you disagree with both...
Me, I am not bothered by evolution, humanism or communism. I am more bothered by people who try to make these things an issue when they are not. Like TODD of ASU who preaches against preachers for having no evidence of a highier being when he can't prove that there isn' a highier being.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:15:59 GMT -5
Oh I was handed a antilds vid last week, entitled dna vs mormonism.
I find it retarded that a religion who doesn't believe in evolution uses the [glow=red,2,300]SAME EXACT SCIENCE [/glow]to prove another religion wrong.
hOW INCONSISTANT?
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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 20:16:53 GMT -5
You don't even understand communism, pach. Communism is a GREAT SYSTEm. on paper.
In reality, people are not the same.... so therefore, some people can and will strive to become greater than others... leading to what we call a dictatorship.
The world has not seen true communism, and never will.
I don't want the short answer. I want the LONG ANSWER.
I want to know why an evolutionist is given the negative connotation of a communist.
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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 20:19:05 GMT -5
PACP, FYI, I think you not only lost the respect of all of us heathens here... but I'm sure some of the christians as well. That was an extremely... ignorant statement. It shows your lack of knowledge of the world... and how immature you really are. It's disgusting.
Christians.... if you feel as I feel... step forward, please.
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Post by mahatma on Nov 29, 2006 20:19:25 GMT -5
You have to give me a chance. Trust/dependance on a belief system is not the same as trusting the chair I'm sitting on. You're right, but in the same breath you are demanding that evolution and communism are spiritual belief systems in the same way that christianity is.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:21:00 GMT -5
COMMUNISM only works if you believe in Jesus Christ. He preached to the who were in poverty, and asked them to share their personal wealth. The poor were often held up as examples against the rich.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:23:16 GMT -5
Doctor forney of ASU WOULD agree with your assumption of what is a religion.
American Baseball is a religion as well. just think how many times the analogy of sports are brought up in church.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:23:57 GMT -5
science is a religion. If I have time, I will tell why tomarrow.
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Post by .CHILDE..IS.. NOW..ON. on Nov 29, 2006 20:27:12 GMT -5
Actually, My political science teacher once said that dictatorships usually come out of republics LIKE THE UNITED STATES.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:27:39 GMT -5
Actually It was Christianity that first preached communism as form of Christian living. Because no one in the community was suppose to have more than the other. but be equal in all things. Darwin only taught a forum of evolution where animals are already advantaged over others. So No, they are not BIRDS of a feather, Humanism is about man exalting his personal accomplishments. That also is not a bird of the same feather. Infact, humanism has no previous adaptation nor does it preach the politics of communism. It's only the same because you disagree with both... Me, I am not bothered by evolution, humanism or communism. I am more bothered by people who try to make these things an issue when they are not. Like TODD of ASU who preaches against preachers for having no evidence of a highier being when he can't prove that there isn' a highier being. I'll tell ya this much, these man made belief systems do have a father and he is the father of LIES!
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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 20:29:40 GMT -5
Then why do you believe in christianity? That is a man-made belief system.
Do you buy into dolphin made belief systems?
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:30:27 GMT -5
PACP, FYI, I think you not only lost the respect of all of us heathens here... but I'm sure some of the christians as well. That was an extremely... ignorant statement. It shows your lack of knowledge of the world... and how immature you really are. It's disgusting. Christians.... if you feel as I feel... step forward, please. There are a few of us die hards left......
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Post by abb on Nov 29, 2006 20:31:26 GMT -5
Jesus, the man considered to be the founder of Christianity.... is just that. A man. His religion is a man-made belief system. You just contradicted yourself.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:32:26 GMT -5
You have to give me a chance. Trust/dependance on a belief system is not the same as trusting the chair I'm sitting on. You're right, but in the same breath you are demanding that evolution and communism are spiritual belief systems in the same way that christianity is. I'm saying that if you did a study of the pillars of these "belief systems" that they would share many things in common. What are they really?? I think the Bible tells us. Why don't you do a study against the Bible and see for yourself.
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:33:29 GMT -5
COMMUNISM only works if you believe in Jesus Christ. He preached to the who were in poverty, and asked them to share their personal wealth. The poor were often held up as examples against the rich. You are taking things way out of contex....
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:34:21 GMT -5
Actually, My political science teacher once said that dictatorships usually come out of republics LIKE THE UNITED STATES. Big surprise....
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Post by mahatma on Nov 29, 2006 20:34:46 GMT -5
COMMUNISM only works if you believe in Jesus Christ. He preached to the who were in poverty, and asked them to share their personal wealth. The poor were often held up as examples against the rich. You are taking things way out of contex.... Pot, meet kettle. You two are going to get along very well. *waves goodbye to the thread*
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:35:04 GMT -5
Then why do you believe in christianity? That is a man-made belief system. Do you buy into dolphin made belief systems? I Believe in the Bible...
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Post by oap001 on Nov 29, 2006 20:37:31 GMT -5
Jesus, the man considered to be the founder of Christianity.... is just that. A man. His religion is a man-made belief system. You just contradicted yourself. Read John....Jesus is "God" and is the "Word" that became "flesh" and dwelt among us. He CREATED the world.
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