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Post by paynesean on Apr 24, 2008 19:31:45 GMT -5
Please pray for me; when I was out today street preaching I was attacked my three men. They punched me in the face a few times and pushed me over; blood was running out of my nose. A big crowd was gathered around me and it almost seemed as a riot may begin to break out. I had not begun to preach, but they saw my new sandwich sign and were greatly offended. I didn't really say much but what I did say was gentle and afterwards I was able to tell the one attacker that I would be praying for him.
The police came and the teens dispersed; however after the police left more teens surrounded me and the police were called again.
When the police returned they told me that I am banned from Gore Park (the public place where I preach) and if they ever see me there preaching again they will ticket me and such. I am not too certain what to do yet, so please pray for wisdom and for my attackers.
(If I should go back to keep preaching or find another spot or etc...)
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Acts 5:28,29 28Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. 29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
In the end it is better to obey God then men. I agree with the Word of God and say woe is unto me if I preach not the gospel.
May the Lamb that was slain receive the reward of His suffering!
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Post by dale on Apr 24, 2008 22:08:59 GMT -5
I read your Are You A Monster blog and proudly answered yes to the bulk of questions (we can, however , safely rule out the homsexual one). In short, I am pretty proud of being a monster, as it comes in handy and I wholeheartedly disagree with your message. That does not , however, mean I cheer on someone or a group of these punks attacking you. I likewise disagree with the ban on your preaching, though I would probably roar with laughter at the content. I would suggest looking into some form of legal challenge then, against the police and their threats to ban YOU from the park (how about them looking for your attackers , how' s that for a concept)but in Canada you may be playing by a whole different set of rules than the USA.
This is also exactly why I keep telling you guys to go with backup and I mean pgysical backup and not just Jesus , when you do this,e specially if you cannot and will not fight back. The same thing keeps happening to Eli. These guys would never fire on someone of my size or cut from my bol t of cloth, but you guys make yourselves easy targets and become punching bags . Isn;t that getting old yet?
It almost makes me want to get me a purple shirt like Miles, come up there, pretend to be a street preacher for one night and let a few of these people bring this to me, then let them see what happens if they attack me. I am not a Christian, so....I might as well go to hell for a lot rather than a little..
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Post by John McGlone on Apr 24, 2008 22:49:50 GMT -5
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Post by dale on Apr 25, 2008 15:29:12 GMT -5
Before giving this guy advice be sure Canadian law doesn't differ from American law in regard to this. I was thinkign the same thing but it may be a different ballgame up there.
As for this street preacher, his message is the silliest of any of the messages I have seen here to date, BUT that does not justify these people using him for a punching bag!
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Post by John McGlone on Apr 27, 2008 4:22:54 GMT -5
Good point Dale, but the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those that are perishing. So, by deduction we can easily reason because of your statement about Sean's preaching we can see that you are unsaved and needful of salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. Except you repent you will perish! Is that a silly message Dale?
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Post by dale on Apr 27, 2008 8:17:03 GMT -5
Is that a silly message ? Well, since you asked..........
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 27, 2008 8:49:55 GMT -5
Jesus is quite sufficient to defend us from physical attacks. I've seen it. However it is also good to be into the hands of the sinners. It is quite normal that some of them are angry, for anything that is hidden shall me manifested, the mockers are not better than the violent ones. I hope the first thing you have done after that is to rejoyce in the Lord of what happened. Now I pray the Lord show you wisdom to know what to do next. Bt the way Jesus sent his disciples 2 by 2 , or more.
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Post by dale on Apr 27, 2008 9:12:06 GMT -5
So what was He doing when this guy needed him, taking a night off?
As for the punk kids, what really angers me is it shouldn't have taken three of them! Cowards all. The mockers ARE better than the violent ones. You oversimplify things.
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 27, 2008 10:31:56 GMT -5
It's all in His hands. We don't know what tomorrow and situations will bring, but we know everything work out for good for those he has called. It is good to be led by His Spirit though.
I don't think that the violent ones have begun to become violent all of a sudden. There are mockers who will never become violent, there are who will. It is rare that people are violent against a religion without having matured their cause / hardened their heart.
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 27, 2008 11:06:29 GMT -5
mockery, or violence , or whatever comes from the same and unique source : the heart which is not redeemed
Psalm 73:7 From their callous hearts comes iniquity ; the evil conceits of their minds know no limits.
Mathew 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
Luke 6:45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
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Post by paynesean on Apr 29, 2008 19:37:04 GMT -5
Here's the sign in case you wanted to see it: Well at least the side people found offensive; the other side said Repent Sinner Trust Jesus.
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Post by dale on Apr 29, 2008 20:43:51 GMT -5
Whether I like the sign or not, the point is that doesn't mean these guys had any cause to go piunding on you...and it shouldn't have taken three of them.
Do yourself a favor and have some backup of some kind next time you do this. Lone wolves are easy prey.
PS. Just for the record, yeah, I am a monster.
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Post by paynesean on May 20, 2008 14:45:21 GMT -5
I read your Are You A Monster blog and proudly answered yes to the bulk of questions (we can, however , safely rule out the homsexual one). In short, I am pretty proud of being a monster, as it comes in handy and I wholeheartedly disagree with your message. That does not , however, mean I cheer on someone or a group of these punks attacking you. I likewise disagree with the ban on your preaching, though I would probably roar with laughter at the content. I would suggest looking into some form of legal challenge then, against the police and their threats to ban YOU from the park (how about them looking for your attackers , how' s that for a concept)but in Canada you may be playing by a whole different set of rules than the USA. This is also exactly why I keep telling you guys to go with backup and I mean pgysical backup and not just Jesus , when you do this,e specially if you cannot and will not fight back. The same thing keeps happening to Eli. These guys would never fire on someone of my size or cut from my bol t of cloth, but you guys make yourselves easy targets and become punching bags . Isn;t that getting old yet? It almost makes me want to get me a purple shirt like Miles, come up there, pretend to be a street preacher for one night and let a few of these people bring this to me, then let them see what happens if they attack me. I am not a Christian, so....I might as well go to hell for a lot rather than a little.. There is still hope for you, I will pray for you to repent and believe. Humble yourself before it's too late! James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
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Post by paynesean on May 20, 2008 14:46:26 GMT -5
That is to use if they tell you that you can't video record them? Do you video record when the police confront you or just record the audio on the watch?
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Post by paynesean on May 20, 2008 14:47:37 GMT -5
Jesus is quite sufficient to defend us from physical attacks. I've seen it. However it is also good to be into the hands of the sinners. It is quite normal that some of them are angry, for anything that is hidden shall me manifested, the mockers are not better than the violent ones. I hope the first thing you have done after that is to rejoyce in the Lord of what happened. Now I pray the Lord show you wisdom to know what to do next. Bt the way Jesus sent his disciples 2 by 2 , or more.It is my desire to have another brother with me, but it is difficult to get any to go. Sometimes I feel like Jonah or John the Baptist is that manner.
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Post by dale on May 20, 2008 17:25:20 GMT -5
Again, before advising this guy on what to do, keep in mind Canadian law could read differently than down here in America or in other parts of the World.
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Post by John McGlone on May 20, 2008 23:46:16 GMT -5
The audio is backup to the video. Always use both if possible. Get a ministry partner brother, this is needful pray alot. Luke 10:2 Yes, rejoice in your persecutions that God is mindful of you. Tasting the life of Christ is not a burden but a priviledge; keep up the good work in Him! Amen. Great sandwich board, too!
Canadian law, as every country, has law against assault and battery. You may want to check on the recording issues. Here in the States the laws vary for phone recording but we have freedom of the press, Hallelujah! Do you all have that in your Constitutional documents?
dale will you keep your carnal advice out of the prayer requests? You are not a Christian, God does not hear the prayers of the wicked, Repent or Perish! Stop playing games with God.
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Post by dale on May 21, 2008 20:13:23 GMT -5
I have a prayer request John and since God won't hear my prayers, even if I were to utter them, maybe someone else will pick the prayer up for me.
After the crack you made above I HOPE, if not pray , I run into you face to face sometime.
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Post by oaora on May 22, 2008 20:06:41 GMT -5
Wait a minute John.....there is a whole host of reasons why God wouldn't hear the prayers of someone. Lets leave that up to God. I don't mean to call you out over it...but please be patient with Dale.
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Post by dale on Jun 1, 2008 18:32:49 GMT -5
Too late, patriot,t oo late.
As for you, John,. I have news for you. You are not the moderator here and you are NOT going to give me orders as to where I can post, who or what advice I can give or where I can post it.
In fact there may be some times where my carnal advice just might come in handy, so you know what, I am going to continue to post here and do it often. If you do not like it there are three things you can do. You can ignore my threads and posts/just not comment on them (you might be better off for it) you can post another comment like your last one or more if you so desire, though i strongyl suggest you tread lightly with me in doing so, or third, pray for my conversion since God evidently hears my prayers and npt mine, even if I would choose to make one , so that I become just like you.
And I said it before. I will say it again. I HOPE you drift up my way or I run into you streetpreaching down there.
My time has been limtied the past few weeks, but just so you get it inyo your head YOU are NOT going to give me orders, I plan to post and post often!
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Post by thunder on Jun 5, 2008 13:59:40 GMT -5
John, can I add my carnal advice to this sectuon? I am going to do it anyway. Like with Micah, get over youirself, get off your high hrose, think before you make your posts and read that Bible youc laim as your guide book a little better. With an attitude like that, no wodner the normal people all hate you guys.
My prayer for you is you and the rest all stop preaching . Really. You do real Christianity and Christians and NO, I am NOT one, a disservice with every word and action you all utter.
Repent.
Oh, one more thing. Painsean, you are the most ahughty and arrogant of all the people I have seen here yet. Even more than Mucah. No wonder people are knocking you flat. Those blogs of yours are laughablem but if you are really serious it is scary. Get over yourselves.
Should you not be saved by grace? You all seem bent on salvation by works. Read your own guidebook. All the self righteous crowing and good works are toilet paper befopre your Lord. hey, TOY are the onees who are suppsoed to Pharisees...
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Post by dale on Jun 5, 2008 14:24:19 GMT -5
Thanks, but I can fight my own battles, pal, as far as this John guy is concerned.
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Post by paynesean on Jun 12, 2008 16:42:26 GMT -5
Thank you for the compliments Thunder. Salvation is through grace, however there are many sin lists in the New Testament of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God (they will go to hell)
Any righteousness I have is from Jesus Christ. However it is my duty to warn wicked sinners to repent.
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Post by paynesean on Jun 12, 2008 16:43:36 GMT -5
I'll have to become more informed about our laws. I'll have to consider getting one of those watches. Thanks, God bless.
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Post by art on Jun 14, 2008 6:38:25 GMT -5
Truth in your eyes does not mean it is really the truth.
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Post by paynesean on Sept 23, 2009 16:57:33 GMT -5
Hey John I was looking to buy that watch and the link wasn't working. Do you know a fresh link or what it is called? Thanks, God bless.
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Post by globalwarming on Feb 23, 2010 11:34:50 GMT -5
Hey Sean.
Way over due on this reply.
Gore Park is a Public Area owned by the city of Hamilton. Because it is downtown, you may actually need a permit to preach with amplification. However, under the charter of rights and freedoms,It's stated Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
TO break it down, just like peole shutting down Toronto over a protest, you also have the right to voice your opinion, if there is a crowd causing issues, it is the police who must protect you from them and force them to move along/quiet down! Also as for your sign boards, it is covered under media section. Many times we see hate speach on boards during protests, and because of our freedoms the police must protect the protestors.......most time the police threaten christians because it is easier. I know of a few times where lawyers got involved and the preacher won because of charter issues.
Blessings
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