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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:06:28 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSK9TyduR4 - Is Todd Bentley devil possessed? He talks about how he was "possessed" after being a "a spirit filled born again Christian praying hours a day, reading the New Testament in one sitting. I mean in church... you know I was in men's group on Tuesday night, in church on Sunday, and mass on Monday...."
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:28:47 GMT -5
I defintely do not think this guy is a godly man. However, I would like to mention that Smith Wigglesworth reportedly did some rough things when praying for the sick like punching people in the stomach, etc. The people got healed also. I believe Wigglesworth was a real holy man of God. The revival in the bible had healings. In the old days of the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) there were many genuine healings and miracles. Of course that was never the main goal or the main focus. The focus was Jesus Christ, holy living, evangelism, etc. I hope some of you are not saying healings are a sure sign the revival is not from God or that genuine revival is never accompanied by healings. Read some literature by people who are not cessationalists and you will find many genuine well documented healings and revival on a smaller local level. Most of the early pentecostals lived in rural areas and many were simple with not much education. Try reading something like "Like a Mighty Army" by Charles Conn (History of the Church of God). I have no problems with healings, signs, or miracles. I've also read about Wigglesworth. Although I don't remember reading about him breaking someones tooth out. Wigglesworth also preached from the Bible. My problem with this whole movement isn't the signs, it's the doctrine and in turn what people are seeking. People are seeking "third heaven" revelations, manifestations, ect. Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:58:17 GMT -5
That last post of mine my look like I contradicted my first post. What I believe is that if signs and miracles aren't accompanied with the word of God being preached it doesn't do much good. If the word isn't being proclaimed and lived, Jesus isn't lifted up. If there are miracles without Jesus being lifted up it only exalts the one with the "anointing."
But even with that, some of these manifestations are very very questionable.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jun 6, 2008 12:46:42 GMT -5
When people begin to seek heavenly visions and signs etc. they forget that Paul did recieve those, and he said; so that he wasn't exalted the Lord had a meesanger from Satan (A thorn in his side).
People need to be instructed to count the cost before they begin asking the Lord for visions and visitations. Christianity is not supposed to be like a Frank Perretti or Ted Dekker novel. Angelic and/or demonic encounters shouldn't be sensationalized.
I think if all these folks were experiencing true heavenly visions, their attitudes and ministries would be alot different. That's my personal opinion, I don't want to pass judgment - God moves how He wants when He wants with whomever He wants.
It's my opinion that we need more visions of Hell the holiness and justice of God than of "angel feathers."
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Post by debonnaire on Jun 7, 2008 6:01:09 GMT -5
make no mistake : all this teaching and encouraging about guided visualization , trips to 3rd heaven , astral journeys , etc... is deeply satanic, . That is what Bob Jones, Todd Bentley , Patricia King and all these false prophets do and encourage.
I guess we are in the last days, God will send more strong dellusion , with signs and "miracles' , to see who really loves Him and His Word, and who will take pleasure in lies and boasting.
Those who refuse to follow the Lakeland flow are already called pharisees, witches and warlocks.
True revival never comes as a "Wave" like Toronto or lakeland, but like rain of righteousness
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Post by art on Jun 9, 2008 8:11:56 GMT -5
I should pour a whole ton of milk over the church to go with these flakes.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jun 9, 2008 8:19:59 GMT -5
I like those polemics, Art.
That brought to mind a scripture... "...The trees of the Lord are full of sap."
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Post by dale on Jul 6, 2008 9:15:38 GMT -5
Sap is not what I think these people are full of , but I doubt if I could get by with saying it outright on the board.
The Christians do not scare me at all. The real ones provide me with amusement at the wrong moments, but they do not scare me.Bentley, however, scares me. He has all the creative eleemnts to make the bext Moon, Korresh or Jim Jones.
When he dies I will look to seeing his crusades down in hell, with me.
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Post by messengermicah on Jul 6, 2008 21:08:22 GMT -5
We did some preaching at the Fakeland Todd Bentley show last night.
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Post by debonnaire on Jul 7, 2008 4:58:59 GMT -5
that's great !
there is a few brothers who formerly believed that the Lakeland outpouring was from God, but now have changed their mind.
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Post by dale on Jul 7, 2008 8:06:04 GMT -5
Micah does little for me with his bad hat, bullhorn and silly sandwich boards, but if it causes a headache to Bentley more power to him. I will go with the lesser of two evils here
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 13, 2008 0:01:32 GMT -5
Todd Bentley and his wife have separated. Sad, very sad. It doesn't surprise me, but it's still sad Here's the video:
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 13, 2008 8:27:42 GMT -5
You can read the ministry's official statement at the bottom of this page: www.freshfire.ca/
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 17, 2008 11:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Sept 20, 2008 22:07:58 GMT -5
I was looking for an update on the Todd Bentley situation...hoping that he had repented and reconciled to his wife and actually found worse news. According to C. Peter Wagner (who was like was of Todd's mentors), Todd had problems with periodic drunkenness. Also, his "emotional affair" was apparently more than just emotional. There was physical contact and that physical contact went beyond hugging and kissing and holding hands. It seems that neither him nor his wife have any plans of reconciling either. Here is the source of the info: markjberry.blogs.com/way_out_west/2008/08/c-peter-wagners.html
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Post by evilart on Sept 21, 2008 9:17:26 GMT -5
Bentley is a true Christian. He is a lying, cheating, judgmental, two-faced, theiving crook. He fits the Christian profile perfectly.
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Post by messengermicah on Sept 22, 2008 16:50:22 GMT -5
Oh really art? Where is that in the Bible?
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Post by dale on Sept 23, 2008 20:30:32 GMT -5
Just tell Micah you won't answer his questions for free. Make him pay ten dollars per answer.
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Post by evilart on Sept 24, 2008 9:03:01 GMT -5
I do not have to find it in the Bible, Micah as I see the arrogance and the ignorance in all of your nonexistant God's people. Look at yourself in the mirror as I see it in you, even if you cannot, you selfrighteous windbag.
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