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Post by John McGlone on Sept 4, 2008 22:26:39 GMT -5
Okay let's try this a bit differently,
Ask the sinners, "Are you are born sinners? Most all including the 'Christians' will respond yes.
Ask them is God Holy and does He hate sin?
Ask them if babies are born sinners do they go to hell?
They will mostly all say no, then ask them why
They will mostly respond because babies are innocent.
My apologies that I did not word the process a bit better originally.
Woe to you when the world speaks well of you.
Woe to you devisers! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by michaelcooper24 on Sept 5, 2008 0:17:21 GMT -5
George Muller was a Calvinist
I had been much opposed to the doctrines of election, particular redemption, and final persevering grace; so much so that. I called election a devilish doctrine. But now I was brought to examine these precious truths by the word of God. To my great astonishment I found that the passages which speak decidedly for election and persevering grace, were about four times as many as those which speak apparently against these truths; and even those few, shortly after, when I had examined and understood them, served to confirm me in the above doctrines. As to the effect which my belief in these doctrines had on me. By the grace of God, I have walked more closely with Him since that period. Thus, I say, the electing love of God in Christ (when I have been able to realize it) has often been the means of producing holiness, instead of leading me into sin. ( Narratives and Addresses , Vol. 1, pp. 46, 40)
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 5, 2008 6:41:50 GMT -5
George Mueller is not the standard, the Bible is. Can you give the complete reference where you copied this last post from please? Thank you.
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