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Post by evilart on Oct 19, 2008 15:40:08 GMT -5
Jed Smock ? He's a real basketcase. This is the guy who insists he has not sinned in twenty years according to some threads. There's the problem with the ranters , including Micah. They all idolize this bag of fertilizer. If there ever was a false teacher, as these guys like to point out to each other, their man Smock is a main example.
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Post by oaora on Oct 19, 2008 18:20:15 GMT -5
Actually I'm not exactly Athiest, I'm Agnostic leaning towards Athiesim. In other words, I don't really believe in any religion, I'm not completely dismissing the idea of a supreme being but I'm leaning more towards that there probably isn't one. As to how I've been indoctorined by things all my life according to you. I came to the conclusion myself a long time ago, and trust me everyone was trying to convince me I was wrong, yes including teachers. Living in the south and being Athiest is not the same as being in the north and being Athiest. Ever been in a class where you said something that you believe in and have the whole class take turns trying to stump you, calling you stupid for your beliefs and the teacher just idlely watches and with her glances you can tell shes hoping the crowd rips you apart because she agrees with them. Yeah, you're wrong if you think they were the reason I don't believe in God. Though their idiotic half thought out rhetoric bullshìt that they have been force fed for years certainly didn't help me find Jesus either. As for TV, I suppose you could say that has had an influence on me that way, but like I said earlier I really don't watch alot of TV even when I was younger I only watched cartoons which really didn't have too much propoganda in it... Unless crushing coyotes under a piano is propoganda for homosexuals and feminists, or that God doesn't exist. Maybe theres a hidden meaning there that I only get subconsiously. Who knows? Want to know when I decided I didn't believe in God? Fourth Grade in recess as I was sitting by myself on the concrete looking out towards the sky contemplating the meaning of life at ten years old. I then went on a search to ask religious people questions to see if I could satisfy my doubt, I'd ask them questions but they could never tell me a truly fulfilling answer. It almost always revolved around faith. I have no faith, that is why I'm not Christian or any other religion. Faith is to blindly believe in something without evidence, and I can not will not do that for anything. There is only one thing that I have faith in and that is the one thing I've known all my life, and that is myself. When I was younger, I had no athiest friends, no athiest families, no athiest teachers, not even any athiest firefighters. Everyone around me was Christian or at least appeared to be, no one ever tried to convince me to think anything other than as how a Christian would. I was the first in my grade to break away from the flock and it was by myself that I came to the conclusion. Best of all, I didn't even do it because of teen angst or anything like some kids do, you know those kids that dress in black and cut themselfs and say they don't believe in God because life is so cruel because their parents grounded them for getting a D on their math homework. Yeah, I hate those people too. Well when you get right down to it. You're guilty of the sin of unbelief. You know the one that is comparable to witchcraft. Yes it is that bad. I think that the way for you to either prove or disprove the truth of the Bible is to go the way of God for a while and then compare it to your way or the worlds way. The truth of the Holy Spirit dwelling in someone happens after one repents and totally rests on Christ for salvation. You can stand there all day long and doubt that a chair can hold you.....but you must trust it by faith to hold you to understand that it can. Back to the diversity training. Notice how they are creating teams and masses of like minded people for social change. You may have your own doubts about God but there are people that have influenced you along the way without your complete knowledge or approval.
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Post by kureji on Oct 19, 2008 19:47:02 GMT -5
Well when you get right down to it. You're guilty of the sin of unbelief. You know the one that is comparable to witchcraft. Yes it is that bad. Do you know why it's so bad? Because the people who think for themselves and question belief are the ones who they can't control and might convince others that what they are being force fed isn't true. These are the people who can bring forth the lies of Christianity and release everyone from the shackles of "faith." So of course Christians want to label these people as one of the worst things. I think that the way for you to either prove or disprove the truth of the Bible is to go the way of God for a while and then compare it to your way or the worlds way. The truth of the Holy Spirit dwelling in someone happens after one repents and totally rests on Christ for salvation. So you want me to completely repent and rely completely on Christ for salvation? Like Wander through the forest and hope God will give me food to eat? Get dehydrated and hungry and delusional until I see the sky wizard and claim it's a miracle? No thanks I'll pass. You can stand there all day long and doubt that a chair can hold you.....but you must trust it by faith to hold you to understand that it can. Yeah I can just sit on the chair, and it'll prove that it can hold me. I pray to God, but he doesn't ever talk back to me. Back to the diversity training. Notice how they are creating teams and masses of like minded people for social change. You may have your own doubts about God but there are people that have influenced you along the way without your complete knowledge or approval. Yeah, I hate it when I get those songs stuck in my head and I just keep singing them in my head all day long. So annoying.
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Post by davidvalley on Oct 19, 2008 21:16:54 GMT -5
Speaking of faith and how great it is is it wrong for me to have faith in knowing that the Bible is inaccurate? I'm just sayen.
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Post by oaora on Oct 19, 2008 21:51:03 GMT -5
kureji wrote: These are the people who can bring forth the lies of Christianity and release everyone from the shackles of "faith."
Same old line kureji: "I do not wish to argue that the doctrines of Jesus, they and they alone, have degraded the world to it's present condition. I take it that Christianity is not only the cause but the symptom of slavery." (Aleister Crowley, The World's Tragedy, p. XXXIX)
Just who do you follow?
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Post by davidvalley on Oct 19, 2008 22:33:09 GMT -5
kureji wrote: These are the people who can bring forth the lies of Christianity and release everyone from the shackles of "faith." Same old line kureji: "I do not wish to argue that the doctrines of Jesus, they and they alone, have degraded the world to it's present condition. I take it that Christianity is not only the cause but the symptom of slavery." (Aleister Crowley, The World's Tragedy, p. XXXIX) Just who do you follow? Probably no one. It is a lot easier to think for yourself and make sense out of life than to follow someone else who has been misinformed their whole life.
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Post by kureji on Oct 20, 2008 0:12:36 GMT -5
Oh gosh you caught me quoting that book I've never read from an author I've never heard of. Because relating Christianity to slavery is a very hard thing to come up with.
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Post by oaora on Oct 20, 2008 2:13:39 GMT -5
You both believe Christianity is slave like as you said in your own words.
See if you really understood who Jesus was and is, you would give Him your life. When you come right down to it kureji, your all about you.
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Post by dale on Oct 20, 2008 8:12:03 GMT -5
Creating teams of like minded people for social change? Sounds almost like The Patriot and his street preacher chums. The shoe can fit on your feet too, Pat.
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Post by kureji on Oct 20, 2008 9:40:51 GMT -5
Yes, I am all about me. Darn me for not selling myself to the invisible sky wizard. I'm not going to give my life to something that won't even prove it's own authenticity. Saying you need to believe in something before it'll prove it self is stupid, because it isn't proving itself to you, you're just being deluded.
I understand who Jesus is perfectly. He was a Jewish man who a group of people decided to raise to God like status in order to control other people through fear. The guy wasn't a bad guy, his teachings weren't bad. The religion formed around him on the other hand is. There is no hell, and all of the Christians who only worship him out of the fear of hell, are the ones who truly deserve hell. Mindless sheep who worship just in case. Reminds me of that one philosphical statement, Pascal's wager. He said it's better to believe in God because if you do and they're right you goto heaven. If you don't and they're wrong you goto hell, and if they're wrong either way you just don't exist. So your best bet is to just believe and hope for the best. Not only do I see this as cowardly, it's also a logical fallacy, all you have to do is add just one other religion that results in damnation in nonbelief and you no longer have a good choice anymore, infact it becomes less and less so with each religion with damnation you add.
Anyway, as you said earlier that nonbelief was one of the worst things. A God who is willing to cast someone into a lake of fire for all eternity for not believing in him when he makes absolutely no effort to show himself to nonbelievers is not a good God. A ruler who does not allow his followers to question if what they are being told is really true is not a good ruler. In short, your God is a jerk and I refuse to worship someone who is so egotistical and stuck up. If God was there, and he really wanted us to know it, he would have let us know. To believe that God would expect 100% unwaivering faith in his belief without a scrap of real tangible evidence is just garbage. Saying believe in this or else is just fear tactics to make you believe in something that isn't real without questioning it, because questioning it will just bring consequences. Fear and ignorance. Don't goto the house at the end of the street because it's haunted and the Ghost of Martin will slit your throat. Guess what, there is no ghost, there is no God and you're simply deluding yourself into believing that there is.
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Post by davidvalley on Oct 20, 2008 11:29:19 GMT -5
Yes, I am all about me. Darn me for not selling myself to the invisible sky wizard. I'm not going to give my life to something that won't even prove it's own authenticity. Saying you need to believe in something before it'll prove it self is stupid, because it isn't proving itself to you, you're just being deluded. I understand who Jesus is perfectly. He was a Jewish man who a group of people decided to raise to God like status in order to control other people through fear. The guy wasn't a bad guy, his teachings weren't bad. The religion formed around him on the other hand is. There is no hell, and all of the Christians who only worship him out of the fear of hell, are the ones who truly deserve hell. Mindless sheep who worship just in case. Reminds me of that one philosphical statement, Pascal's wager. He said it's better to believe in God because if you do and they're right you goto heaven. If you don't and they're wrong you goto hell, and if they're wrong either way you just don't exist. So your best bet is to just believe and hope for the best. Not only do I see this as cowardly, it's also a logical fallacy, all you have to do is add just one other religion that results in d**nation in nonbelief and you no longer have a good choice anymore, infact it becomes less and less so with each religion with d**nation you add. Anyway, as you said earlier that nonbelief was one of the worst things. A God who is willing to cast someone into a lake of fire for all eternity for not believing in him when he makes absolutely no effort to show himself to nonbelievers is not a good God. A ruler who does not allow his followers to question if what they are being told is really true is not a good ruler. In short, your God is a jerk and I refuse to worship someone who is so egotistical and stuck up. If God was there, and he really wanted us to know it, he would have let us know. To believe that God would expect 100% unwaivering faith in his belief without a scrap of real tangible evidence is just garbage. Saying believe in this or else is just fear tactics to make you believe in something that isn't real without questioning it, because questioning it will just bring consequences. Fear and ignorance. Don't goto the house at the end of the street because it's haunted and the Ghost of Martin will slit your throat. Guess what, there is no ghost, there is no God and you're simply deluding yourself into believing that there is. Uhhh yeah what he said. ;D No seriously I do agree with a lot here and think you said it very well. The reason most people turn to Christianity is because they are afraid of death. That is it. That is what every street preacher on here uses to get people to turn to a humanized God. I believe in God but I don't think of God as a person or man like all of you do. I think God is a much more spiritual thing that connects all lives(yes including animals who by the way do have a conscience unlike what some people on here like to say they don't). I believe that we are here for a reason because evolution much like Christianity does not make sense. There are way too many holes in both which is why I choose to believe that we are not suppose to understand everything about life.
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Post by kureji on Oct 20, 2008 11:57:22 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't want you asking questions? The answer is simple, someone who has something to hide.
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Post by dale on Oct 20, 2008 16:52:22 GMT -5
One can love Jesus from a purely philosophical point of view and whether he actually spoke these teachings or not or even existed becomes unimportant. You can learn from the Bible, but you can also learn from Aesop's Fables without belief in the idea that a fox can talk.
This idea would be totally illogical and foreign to the fundies here and the street preachers.
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Post by oaora on Oct 20, 2008 19:30:02 GMT -5
You would have to see a need for a s Savior, you guys simply do not.
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Post by dale on Oct 20, 2008 20:49:11 GMT -5
I rest my case.
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Post by davidvalley on Oct 20, 2008 23:39:43 GMT -5
You would have to see a need for a s Savior, you guys simply do not. Well Batman is kind of cool. ;D What?
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Post by dale on Oct 21, 2008 9:02:41 GMT -5
Christians, you are losing it. You're supposed to say "You all will be sorry for these statements when you face Jesus as your judge."
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Post by kureji on Oct 21, 2008 11:24:41 GMT -5
I saw no need to reply to his last statement, because he's right. I don't need a savior. I'm awesome just the way I am.
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Post by amanda on Oct 21, 2008 12:56:25 GMT -5
I really wish that someone would have answered my question seriously.............
Amanda Nicole
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Post by kureji on Oct 21, 2008 13:28:08 GMT -5
The Christian did, he said it's not okay. I personally don't care if you wear dresses and stuff, if that's your thing, go for it.
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Post by dale on Oct 21, 2008 15:10:10 GMT -5
What kind of answers did you expect. The sane people here (ie unsaved ones) would say they could care less and the Christiasn would of course tear you apart and tell you to repent.
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Post by oaora on Oct 21, 2008 17:40:49 GMT -5
The Christian did, he said it's not okay. I personally don't care if you wear dresses and stuff, if that's your thing, go for it. Wait till your kid comes home from college wearing a dress.
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Post by kureji on Oct 21, 2008 18:12:29 GMT -5
yeah well amanda isn't my kid. Though yeah, if it was my kid I'd have a little bit harder time accepting it, but if thats what he wanted... *shrugs* Like I said though, seems a bit strange, but hell I do weird things too so oh well.
EDIT: On second thought, it depends entirely on how well you can pull the look off, if you actually look like a chick, then thats cool, but if you're balding and have a five o'clock shadow and that big deep burly voice, it might be harder to pull off.
Got pics amanda? lol
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Post by dale on Oct 21, 2008 19:47:18 GMT -5
That ain;t gonna happen, patriot, as we don't have kids.
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Post by evilart on Oct 22, 2008 9:03:13 GMT -5
Mr (or Mrs?) Pacp protests too loudly. I bet he likes to weard resses hismelf and parade around in front of a mirror when no one is looking and the reason he condemns homosexuality with such ignorance and bigotry, even beyond most other ranters here, is becaus e he might be a closet case. So, Pacp, do you like to wear dresses when no one is looking and wiggle in front of a mirror like Brittany Spears? A confession is good for the soul, is it not? Have you ever thought of street ranting in drag? Maybe you have done so already?
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Post by alexandra69 on Jan 7, 2009 17:41:39 GMT -5
Amanda - If you are still on the board - it is totally cool for you to wear dresses. I'd even volunteer to help you look better. How far do yo want to go? Do you want to be a woman or just look like one?
Alex
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