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Post by messengermicah on Nov 20, 2008 20:31:50 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks homosexuals are just nice people who need to know how much God loves them watch this video. These were not a bunch of radical street preachers preaching against homosexual sin. All they were doing was singing gospel songs and praying for people. They were showing the love of God, telling people about it and this is what they got. It is time to wake up and start believing what the Bible says about homosexuality and not what hypocritical, compromised coward preachers and the media tell you about it. There is a reason God calls this sin an abomination and why He had to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Here is why: americansfortruth.com/news/h8ing-christians-video-shows-aftermath-of-homosexual-mob-attack-on-christians-in-san-franciscos-castro-district.htmlStop sticking your head in the sand and begin to stand up and speak out against this abomination or this sort of thing will come to your neighborhood soon!
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Post by valentine on Nov 20, 2008 20:45:07 GMT -5
Oh Micah, always playing the hyperbole card. Yes, and I guess this means that all Christians behave like the Westboro Baptist Church, huh? Hey, can I borrow your "God Hates Crippled Soldiers" sign to picket Obama's grandmother's funeral? It saddens me to see people behaving this way, and I do not agree with their actions. However, I can understand that they are acting out of pain. These people just lost a fundamental right. They're hurting. They're scared, and with good reason. That's not an excuse, and I support prosecution to the full extent of the law (although I'm sure you'll either pretend I didn't say that or refuse to believe me). But don't make this about the evil, evil homosexual agenda. I don't make Christianity about the thousands of people who claim your God as theirs and beat their gay children, tie gay college students to fence posts to die, and shoot their gay classmates in the face on Valentine's day. These people were wrong to do what they did. But they're also hurt and scared of you and your fellow Christians. The way to change that is not to spread more fear. It's absolutely true that their actions were deplorable and that they need to be bigger than that. But, Micah, you look pretty small yourself right now, on that high horse of yours.
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Post by valentine on Nov 20, 2008 21:03:38 GMT -5
Separate post because this is important: If you guys want to play the vivid example game, I can do that, too. It even has a video, just like yours. Now I don't walk around saying that these people are representative of your side any more than I say Phelps is representative of Christianity. So to see you guys making statements that a group of reactive, upset people in Castro represents the majority of gay people in the world is really upsetting, not to mention inaccurate. For every vivid example you find of violence against Christians (which, again, I do not condone and support prosecution for), I can find you five examples of violence against gay people. Participating in the Misery Olympics is not attractive, mature, or a good argument, Micah.
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Post by cervyy on Nov 20, 2008 22:11:51 GMT -5
Separate post because this is important: If you guys want to play the vivid example game, I can do that, too. It even has a video, just like yours. Now I don't walk around saying that these people are representative of your side any more than I say Phelps is representative of Christianity. So to see you guys making statements that a group of reactive, upset people in Castro represents the majority of gay people in the world is really upsetting, not to mention inaccurate. For every vivid example you find of violence against Christians (which, again, I do not condone and support prosecution for), I can find you five examples of violence against gay people. Participating in the Misery Olympics is not attractive, mature, or a good argument, Micah. After reading and watching that I feel ashamed to be a human.
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Post by oaora on Nov 20, 2008 23:11:35 GMT -5
One more example of why God completely destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Post by valentine on Nov 20, 2008 23:19:08 GMT -5
One more example of why God completely destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Ignoring what I said doesn't make it go away. If God's really got a problem, he's invited to destroy us any time. I'll wait.
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Post by oaora on Nov 21, 2008 2:34:13 GMT -5
One more example of why God completely destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Ignoring what I said doesn't make it go away. If God's really got a problem, he's invited to destroy us any time. I'll wait. I don't think you should temp God like that.
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Post by valentine on Nov 21, 2008 8:48:35 GMT -5
Ignoring what I said doesn't make it go away. If God's really got a problem, he's invited to destroy us any time. I'll wait. I don't think you should temp God like that. I love how you respond to any legitimate point I made in either post. Oh wait. You didn't. I guess I have nothing better to do than "temp" God, then.
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Post by tonyholland on Nov 21, 2008 14:15:22 GMT -5
In fairness, Soddom and Gommorah were not destroyed simply because of homosexual activity. It was destroyed because the people were wicked and had turned from God.
Certainly homosexuality was a part of what was going on as made evident by the men who came to rape the Angels, but it seemed more like the cities were kind of like Las Vegas on crack.
Never really thought it was fair to say Sodom and Gommorah=God's Judgement on homosexuality. Closer to say that it was God's judgement on wickedness.
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 21, 2008 14:57:09 GMT -5
Val,
The media will tell you plenty about a guy like Phelps but it will never tell you about the homosexuals in Castro.
There are plenty more homosexuals like those (go to any homosexual parade or anywhere else where preachers preach against homosexuality) than there are preachers like Phelps.
We have all heard all about Phelps! Over and over again! Come up with something new!
There is all kinds of things like this being done by homosexuals and we never hear anything about it.
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 21, 2008 14:59:28 GMT -5
Tony,
When and if any hate crime bill ever passes it will never effect you at all because you are too much of a coward and too vague to speak the truth in a way where people will take your message seriously!
Your comprising and playing both sides sickens me!
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 21, 2008 15:35:45 GMT -5
Tony is referring to Ezekiel 16:49:
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hands of the poor and needy.
Hee has a point there. However, many people including Tony are using this as a cop out not to stand up and speak out boldly against the sin of homosex.
They realize that saying all that about neglecting the poor will earn the sympathy of the masses and make them look like the good guy for standing up for the poor.
Speaking out and standing up against homosex will make you look like an intolerant bigot in the eyes of our God hating, Christ rejecting culture.
Most people are not willing to endure that.
The reason this homosexuality is so rampant is people making up all these excuses and reasons not to speak out against it but rather "they neglected the poor" etc, etc.
Trying not to look intolerant and please the God hating Christ rejecting world that nailed our Savior to the cross.
Quit making up excuses Tony and stand up and speak out boldly against this sin or quit calling yourself a Christian!
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Post by BroPatOC on Nov 21, 2008 17:10:26 GMT -5
Remember the next verse:
Ezekiel 16:50 KJV: And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
I've heard people say that homosexuallity had nothing to do with their judgment because it's not listed in verse 49.
What about Jude 7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
To whom it may concern: be wise, repent and believe the gospel.
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Post by valentine on Nov 21, 2008 20:30:56 GMT -5
That's nice. Don't care. I believe I made a point that you ignored. Several, actually. Val, The media will tell you plenty about a guy like Phelps but it will never tell you about the homosexuals in Castro. There are plenty more homosexuals like those (go to any homosexual parade or anywhere else where preachers preach against homosexuality) than there are preachers like Phelps. We have all heard all about Phelps! Over and over again! Come up with something new! There is all kinds of things like this being done by homosexuals and we never hear anything about it. ...So... you're saying that Phelps gets a lot of coverage in the media, and there's not quite as much as these incidents (untrue; run any related terms through Google News, and you can find many similar stories). And that Phelps is a really bad guy that a lot of people talk about. ... And therefore this incident is worse than what he and his "church" are doing? Your argument is so ridiculous that I can't even follow it, Micah. The only thing I've been able to get out of this thread is that it's apparently about who is more abused, you or the gays. You are trying to play the Misery Olympics, and not only is that a game you will lose if your opponent is LGBTs, but it's fruitless and immature and not an argument. I have already showed you "something new." You apparently didn't bother clicking on it, so I'll show you again. What exactly do you want to accomplish? I already said that I think these actions are deplorable and that those people should be punished. My point is that this says absolutely nothing about gay people as a group, just as calling out religious extremists says nothing about Christians as a group. Your original posts proves absolutely nothing except that there are small, isolated groups of gay people who are hurt and angry about the recent turn of events and have chosen to express their hurt in the wrong way. Making posts in all caps about how disgusting these people are will not make them less angry or hurt or afraid of you. tony: Rape =////////= homosexuality. I despise rape, and if I were in the business of d**ning people to hell, rapists would be first on the list. This is one case in which I can't fault your God. Although if you asked me, Lot would have been headed straight to hell right with the others for offering his virgin daughters to said rapists. ILU Tony (I'm sure this will make Micah even angrier, but it's kind of cute how he thinks that typing in all-caps makes him authoritative, don't you think?). Ever give any more thought to the discussion we were having in the Matt Shepard act thread?
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Post by oaora on Nov 21, 2008 23:14:15 GMT -5
In fairness, Soddom and Gommorah were not destroyed simply because of homosexual activity. It was destroyed because the people were wicked and had turned from God. Certainly homosexuality was a part of what was going on as made evident by the men who came to rape the Angels, but it seemed more like the cities were kind of like Las Vegas on crack. Never really thought it was fair to say Sodom and Gommorah=God's Judgement on homosexuality. Closer to say that it was God's judgement on wickedness. This is the same argument I get from homosexuals in an attempt to justify sodomy.
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Post by oaora on Nov 21, 2008 23:17:54 GMT -5
I don't think you should temp God like that. I love how you respond to any legitimate point I made in either post. Oh wait. You didn't. I guess I have nothing better to do than "temp" God, then. One day Val you are going to really want God and you won't be able to find Him. The truth is I would not want that to happen to you.
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Post by fs on Nov 22, 2008 7:40:09 GMT -5
Being Baptist , my pastors Drummond and Powell think there are a lot of false teachings among the street preachers and on this board that I spoke of to them, but fortunately I think for myself. That aside, let me say this.
Having come out of the bi life and found Jesus Christ as well as been delivered from that abomination I can safekly say a few things and feel gaving experienced this all first hand, I know more about it than any of you unless there are some things you are not telling me.
1. Homosexuals are NOT born that way,It is a choice and you can change through the salvation found in Christ.
2. Micah , I respect your tireless effort at preaching and the dedication you go through, but get off the high jorse. Your ego and your big mouth are a disservice to God. The way you treat other christians who do not see things as you do gets to be ridiculous . Just exactly who do yout hinkly ou are. You are nothing without Christ, yet you seem bent on making this baord the Micah show. Your arrogance is amazing (If I am wrong and just getting this from your post, then feel free to discuss it. I am all behind your traveling minsitry and know you suffer for Christ, but your ego, man, get it in check.) If all preachers wree like you, I would still be hell bound and that;s a fact. Your lack of compassion and holier than thioy stance is relaly annoying at times and I do not know why Christians here di not call you on it. Or do they. Yes they do. And you blow them off.
Well, that said, it is a problem with you and God you will have to address and no longer a concern of mine.
He who wins souls is wise,. Show wisdom and strive on.
3. The incidents on both threads are disgusting . It proves only the bad can be seen everywhere. Not everyone who cries Lord, lord, us saved and Phelps might well be an example, though as a Christian I get tired of seeing this maniac as a cannon ball fired against all believers. I am nto liek Phelps. No one, NOT EVEN Brother Mucah , for some of his statements, is kuje Phelps. Let'; s be fair here.
4,. The thing some of you are forgetting is God hates sin,. periosd and even if some people wish to magnify one sin as worse than another, sin to God is sin. period. We all need forgiveness through Christ.
5. Turn to Christ, Val. Turn to Jesus and tell your little sister to do the same..
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 22, 2008 14:23:52 GMT -5
fs,
What did I say that was arrogant or proud?
Is this your opinion?
I will not take it back. It is the truth.
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 22, 2008 14:35:40 GMT -5
Val,
I am sorry you are so used to all the biased media promoting and defending the homosexual agenda, Obama, socialism, and everything else anti God.
Don't get all bent out of shape when someone shows the other side for once.
Phelps does not represent Christianity because he does things the Bible does not condone. He is not a Christian.
Christians follow the bible. Phelps does not follow the Bible. Phelps is not a Christian.
The people on the video are homosexuals. I am glad you acknowledged they were wrong and you do not condone their behavior.
If something like that had been done by a so called Christian the media would have been all over it.
Jeremiah Wright can spue his black supremist, racist views all he wants while Obama attends there for 20 years and the media is closed mouthed.
Someone supposedly makes a racist statement at an Obama rally (no one except the reporter heard it) and the media is all over it.
Grow up Val.
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Post by valentine on Nov 22, 2008 19:40:09 GMT -5
I am sorry you are so used to all the biased media promoting and defending the homosexual agenda, Obama, socialism, and everything else anti God. 1.) Hate socialists 2.) Hate Obama 3.) I'm sorry to say that if that's "anti-God," we have more in common than you think. Your complaint is with someone else, Micah. These are not the heathens you're looking for. When did I indicate that I was "bent out of shape"? Please, I'd really like to know. I am shaking my head at your blatant generalizations and ridiculous persecution complex, but I am not "bent out of shape." Yeah, and homosexuals are people who like those of the same sex, not people who beat up Christians. My problem with you is that you are equating the two just because these homosexuals happen to have made a very bad decision. That's like finding a murderer who happens to be Jewish and coming on this board and posting "JEWISH PEOPLE ARE MURDERERS." And... your point? I agree, that is just as unacceptable as anti-black remarks. Then your quarrel is with "the media," not homosexuals caught in the crossfire who would just like to be left alone, thank you very much. You are using homosexuals as a ridiculous scapegoat, and that is not okay, and that is why I am calling you on it. Says the man who is looking for fights about buttsex on a message board.
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Post by fs on Nov 23, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5
Micah, you are fast becoming a rather poor image of what Chruistianity is suppsoed to be and mean.
I may have misjudged you ina n ovelry positive way when I noted your tireless efforts at street preaching, but with some of these attacks and statements you do a disservice to God, Christianity and those of us actually trying to win some souls over to Christ.
Get right with God yourself before telling others to do so out there.
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Post by brobreaud on Nov 23, 2008 17:50:43 GMT -5
It is well that the true colors of those who advocate "tolerance" and "diversity" are shown for all to see. Reads like a script from Genesis 19.
Brobreaud
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Post by fs on Nov 23, 2008 18:11:28 GMT -5
Where do I saw I advocate rolerance and diversioty as I was int hat lfiestyle and came out of it thanks to the grace of Giod. Have you ever been in this world? If not, what do you or any of the others really know? Cut the self rightoeus act as I hate this in people. What sins have you hidden in your closets?
He who wins souls is wise and the way Micah and some of you go about this is really annoying.
Tactics of people like yourselves are making it very hard for me to try to go back and witness to people I know in this lifestyle.
I sadlys uspect some of you streetpreachers are nto doing this to glorify Christ as you claim but to gloriofy yourselves.
You are the ones who need to grow up AND get right with God, before telling anyone else to do the same.
Remember the verse about splinters and logs in the eye?
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Post by valentine on Nov 23, 2008 20:05:31 GMT -5
It is well that the true colors of those who advocate "tolerance" and "diversity" are shown for all to see. Reads like a script from Genesis 19. Brobreaud Kind of like the true colors of those who advocate family values have been really widely known for a loooong time? This marks the third time IN THIS THREAD ALONE that the "Christians" have ignored evidence I have provided to the contrary of their inane shrieking. I would encourage everyone reading this to think carefully about who has provided an argument and who has blindly repeated the same thing over and over and over.
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Post by fs on Nov 24, 2008 8:57:11 GMT -5
Don;t judge allt he Christians ebcause of a few bad ones. Some of my brothers here need to get their lives back on track and get right with God. I will not apologize. I speak the truth.
No excuses though Valentine, You also need Jesus.
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Post by tonyholland on Nov 24, 2008 17:14:59 GMT -5
Micah, Micah......
First of all, I don't feel the need to be a bully and hide behind the Cross to justify it. I don't think that this neccesarily equates into being a coward.
Secondly....
you said....
Then you said
So basically, you twisted the account of Sodom and Gomorrah in Scripture to suit your ranting on homosexualtiy.
So since I called this out and was called a coward, I assume that it is considered courageous to lie about what the word of God says to make a point prop up your argument about homosexuality? (Which doesn't need extra biblical embellishment as the Bible already calls it a sin)
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Post by valentine on Nov 24, 2008 17:30:49 GMT -5
Don;t judge allt he gay people[/u][/i] ebcause of a few bad ones.[/quote] Fixed that for you. To paraphrase the wise words of Biblethumper way back when: there, I've summarized this thread so simply that even a five-year-old or a fundie could understand it.
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Post by fs on Nov 25, 2008 9:10:18 GMT -5
Jesus died for you and for the gay people who will reject wickedness and come to Him. Don;y believe everything you reas on this board coming from every single street preacher . There is room at the cross for you.
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 26, 2008 15:26:23 GMT -5
fs calls me proud for rebuking someone on here because I believe they are dead wrong.
She then rebukes me because she thinks I am dead wrong.
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Post by messengermicah on Nov 26, 2008 15:36:32 GMT -5
val,
All this from a self avowed "Heroine Addict".
Sorry but this is always the way homosexuals behave when anyone opposes them and they are in the majority. It is like the muslims. They feign to be fine upstanding citizens when they are in the minority so they can infiltrate but when they are the majority they take over by force.
Anyone who ever preaches straight and boldly against the sin of homosexuality (this eliminates homodefenders fs and Tony Holland) knows this is always the behavior of homosexuals.
Oh of course there may be a few individual exceptions here and there. Not all homosexuals are reprobates. Some of them still have a conscience and can be saved. I have had some very good conversations with homosexuals. However these are individuals and not crowds.
I am just rejoicing that finally there was a news story showing homosexuals for what they are as a group.
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