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Post by fs on Jan 23, 2009 19:31:04 GMT -5
It is funny but I seem to be getting more flack from some oft he supposed Christians on the Christian side of the board than from the nonchristians who hated me a few months before.
The funny thing is one of the biggest noisemakers accused me of being one Dan Lirette.
I think some of the older Christians and scoffers on the board would be familiar with him as I had to do a lot of scanning back to find him and his posts and also did a search for him on the net.
I am NOT this person, bit I see it as a complement because I honestly see this man from what i have read of him as a great man of God and a true believer rather than a Pharisee like you find among some street ministers and Christians.
If you nonbelievers, if you do not like my message or the message of some of the street preachers here now might I suggest you do as i did and look the guy up, He has a book out on books on demand and I am going to order it.
Not everyone on this board condemns your sins, dear scoffers, by claiming to be much more righteous than you and flaunting it like a flag and offering more than a routine explanation as why Jesus is your way out. for the way of the holy cross needs to be mentioned more to you than in passing.
< I suggest you do a search online on this brother as I did.
The main thing is as I have said, to keep your eyes on CHRIST, but there are a few worthwhile followers out there, believe it or not.
Not all Christians act like Pharisees.
If I run him down I am going to try to get him to come back and help witness to you all.
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Post by debonnaire on Jan 24, 2009 3:53:49 GMT -5
Given the posts of both , it is pretty evident to me that fs is NOT Dan Lirette.
Dan is missed anyway, he is a good brother.
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Post by fs on Jan 25, 2009 11:42:38 GMT -5
Where is lirette now?
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 25, 2009 12:47:06 GMT -5
Search Google. You can buy his paperback book (The Dan Lirette Story) for $6.09 . Of course I must warn you that he did preached against OSAS.
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Post by fs on Jan 25, 2009 15:05:09 GMT -5
Concerning once saved/always saved I am not sure what way to go or if there is that big a poiny of worrying. People here are against this but my pastor and baptist friends strongly believe in it and I have no doubt to their walk with the Lord either.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 25, 2009 15:27:45 GMT -5
Don't listen to what men say FS; seek out the TRUTH in the WORD through prayer and fasting and you shall know the TRUTH.
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Post by oaora on Jan 26, 2009 13:16:47 GMT -5
Dan does not have an extreme view regarding OSAO. There are extremes on either end of the argument. I've spoken to him many times and I believe that he is quite moderate.
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Post by fs on Jan 26, 2009 16:12:03 GMT -5
Sounds like quite a brother. Why did he leave the board?
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 26, 2009 18:54:48 GMT -5
Sounds like quite a brother. Why did he leave the board? You sure your not Danny Boy ?
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Post by bullhornbob on Jan 26, 2009 22:25:08 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmmm?
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Post by fs on Jan 26, 2009 22:30:51 GMT -5
Lord Jesus love you, Brother Bullhorn and so do I. I pray for you to see the error of your ways.
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 0:05:31 GMT -5
Well I don't know why Dan left the board? Dan does believe in Salvation by grace alone and by faith alone, through Christ alone. And then there are others who boast and make outrageous claims, such as not sinning for 20 years. You know a kind of intellectual idolatry.
There is a broad spectrum here.
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Post by fs on Jan 27, 2009 18:31:50 GMT -5
Anyone who does not preach salvation by grace alone and by faith alone through Christ alone, is a liar and a false prophet.
Someone actually has the nerve to call himself a Christian and say he has not sinned in twenty years? Was his name Bullhorn Bob by chance? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Key word, ALL. Anyone making a claim like this is lair or off in the head. Not sinned in twenty years? Well, isn;t he just THE ONE!
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 19:06:31 GMT -5
Anyone who does not preach salvation by grace alone and by faith alone through Christ alone, is a liar and a false prophet. Someone actually has the nerve to call himself a Christian and say he has not sinned in twenty years? Was his name Bullhorn Bob by chance? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Key word, ALL. Anyone making a claim like this is lair or off in the head. Not sinned in twenty years? Well, isn;t he just THE ONE! What is faith but obedience. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD. Hitler claimed he had faith in Jesus. David Koresh claimed he had faith in Jesus. And many more of the past. Matthew 7:16-19, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 20:14:07 GMT -5
Anyone who does not preach salvation by grace alone and by faith alone through Christ alone, is a liar and a false prophet. Someone actually has the nerve to call himself a Christian and say he has not sinned in twenty years? Was his name Bullhorn Bob by chance? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Key word, ALL. Anyone making a claim like this is lair or off in the head. Not sinned in twenty years? Well, isn;t he just THE ONE! What is faith but obedience. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD. Hitler claimed he had faith in Jesus. David Koresh claimed he had faith in Jesus. And many more of the past. Matthew 7:16-19, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." Ya so does Jed Smock and he believes in sinless perfection and by the way, he thinks that he hasn't sinned in 20 years. And also, I have had this debate many, many times. The true OSAS position is one that maintains, that good works are produced by being born-again. You're quoting verses that would not be in conflict with that position.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 21:34:22 GMT -5
Faith is obedience; action on the believers part. Without faith (obedience) one cannot be saved. That is what separates a True Born Again Believer from a false convert. Action must be done from the believer to make the account active.
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 21:41:59 GMT -5
Faith is obedience; action on the believers part. Without faith (obedience) one cannot be saved. That is what separates a True Born Again Believer from a false convert. Action must be done from the believer to make the account active. Thats completely false. All one has to do to be saved is to repent and believe. The works/actions are not in any way necessary for salvation. However, they do follow salvation.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 21:47:57 GMT -5
Faith is obedience; action on the believers part. Without faith (obedience) one cannot be saved. That is what separates a True Born Again Believer from a false convert. Action must be done from the believer to make the account active. Thats completelt false. All one has to do to be saved is to repent and believe. Well, what you think repentance is? Repentance is seeing the sin that was done, and turning from it, and being obedient to the WORD. That is FAITH. I agree with that, of course. If one is dedicated to obedience to CHRIST, he is walking in faith, and shall be saved. But if one is dedicated to sin, being a sinner, then he shall be damned even if at one time they did follow CHRIST with FAITH, obedience. They lost their FAITH (OBEDIENCE), in turn losing their salvation. Easy to understand. Very simple according to scripture.
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 21:50:41 GMT -5
Thats completelt false. All one has to do to be saved is to repent and believe. Well, what you think repentance is? Repentance is seeing the sin that was done, and turning from it, and being obedient to the WORD. That is FAITH. I agree with that, of course. If one is dedicated to obedience to CHRIST, he is walking in faith, and shall be saved. But if one is dedicated to sin, being a sinner, then he shall be damned even if at one time they did follow CHRIST with FAITH, obedience. They lost their FAITH (OBEDIENCE), in turn losing their salvation. Easy to understand. Very simple according to scripture. No you have it all wrong friend. Repentance is not a work...it is a change of mind. A making Christ the Lord of your life. Lordship saves no one; however, we can't be saved without Jesus as our Lord. Faith in action is dependance......not workings/actions.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 21:52:45 GMT -5
What does the WORD LORD mean to you ?
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 21:55:17 GMT -5
What does the WORD LORD mean to you ? The word Lord means, the God of our life......master. That we are in submission to Him by dependance on Him. Works are produced by this dependance/faith.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 21:56:15 GMT -5
SUBMISSION
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 21:58:36 GMT -5
Yes submission.....surrender to His will and a dependence on what He has done on the cross as a means of salvation. Not a dependence on our own actions.....the Bible says our actions are like filthy rags.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 22:00:43 GMT -5
No the BIBLE says our righteousness is as rotten rags. My obedience to HIM is not my righteousness. IT IS MY FAITH. A big difference.
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 22:04:06 GMT -5
No the BIBLE says our righteousness is as rotten rags. My obedience to HIM is not my righteousness. IT IS MY FAITH. A big difference. Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind Christ is our righteousness.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 22:10:03 GMT -5
I never said I was offering my obedience as my righteousness. Did you not read the previous post ? My obedience is my faith. Jesus is my righteousness. But if I am not submissive to my MASTER JESUS in obedience to HIS WILL by the LEADING OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT. The Spirit of HOLINESS which leads us daily in servant hood to God. SPIRIT OF HOLINESS which we ought to follow or be called bastards. For those who are led of the HOLY SPIRIT, this SPIRIT which is HOLY are called the sons of GOD. IF I walk after the flesh Then I am dead in sin.
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 22:17:51 GMT -5
I never said I was offering my obedience as my righteousness. Did you not read the previous post ? My obedience is my faith. Jesus is my righteousness. But if I am not submissive to my MASTER JESUS in obedience to HIS WILL by the LEADING OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT. The Spirit of HOLINESS which leads us daily in servant hood to God. SPIRIT OF HOLINESS which we ought to follow or be called bastards. For those who are led of the HOLY SPIRIT, this SPIRIT which is HOLY are called the sons of GOD. IF I walk after the flesh Then I am dead in sin. Faith in action is not obedience. Faith in action is to trust....it is a total dependance......You're mincing something that is very simple. If your walking by what you think is obedience.....void of a total dependance...then you have no Holy Spirit.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 22:22:19 GMT -5
I never said I was offering my obedience as my righteousness. Did you not read the previous post ? My obedience is my faith. Jesus is my righteousness. But if I am not submissive to my MASTER JESUS in obedience to HIS WILL by the LEADING OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT. The Spirit of HOLINESS which leads us daily in servant hood to God. SPIRIT OF HOLINESS which we ought to follow or be called bastards. For those who are led of the HOLY SPIRIT, this SPIRIT which is HOLY are called the sons of GOD. IF I walk after the flesh Then I am dead in sin. Faith in action is not obedience. Faith in action is to trust....it is a total dependance......You're mincing something that is very simple. If your walking by what you think is obedience.....void of a total dependance...then you have no Holy Spirit. James 2:20-26, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."
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Post by oaora on Jan 27, 2009 22:25:47 GMT -5
Faith in action is not obedience. Faith in action is to trust....it is a total dependance......You're mincing something that is very simple. If your walking by what you think is obedience.....void of a total dependance...then you have no Holy Spirit. James 2:20-26, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." Are you trying to say that salvation is in part by works? What exactly is your point with this Scripture?
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 27, 2009 22:33:59 GMT -5
Salvation is a free gift given by GOD through HIS SON. It is a free gift for the WHOLE WORLD to receive. But the gift really is not just eternal life as most think. It is to be made a NEW CREATURE from above. A creature of RIGHTEOUSNESS. To be of the same nature as GOD through HIS SON JESUS. OLD THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY AND ALL THINGS BECOME NEW. We die to the sin nature and now through JESUS and HIS OBEDIENCE to the FATHER WE TOO can recive the POWER to become SONS of GOD being obedient to the FATHER though JESUS CHRIST THE WORD MADE FLESH which we surrender our wills to in obedience to. When I surrender my life to CHRIST, my obedience to HIS WILL, then that FREE GIFT is accounted to ME PERSONALLY> BUT WITH OUT MY OBEDIENCE TO HIS WILL AND LED OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT I WILL STAY DEAD IN MY SINS, never reciving the free gift HE has given to us all.
BY THE WAY; I DIDN"T WRITE THE BOOK OF JAMES.
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