oaora
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Post by oaora on Jan 28, 2009 0:46:41 GMT -5
No you didn't write the book of James....I don't think you understand it either. You're adding works........I think also that you are confusing salvation and sanctification. This was my earlier point. There are extremes on either end of OSAS.....and you (no offense intended) have a very extreme view on the other end...where I would even question your salvation. Just like I would question the salvation of someone who indicated that they believed in hyper-grace.
Here's a question for you...is an idolater saved?
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jan 28, 2009 7:34:45 GMT -5
Romans 8:1-14, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
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Post by oaora on Jan 28, 2009 11:23:48 GMT -5
Sorry your good works will not produce a born-again experence. I say anyone who thinks they have not sinned in 20 years..... walks after the fleesh. Anyone who thinks they have something to add to Jesus's finished work....walks after the flesh.
Those wo put their complete and total faith and trust in Him have the spirit!!
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Post by fs on Jan 28, 2009 15:11:30 GMT -5
One other thing I might just throw in. I am NOT Dan Lirette.
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Post by bullhornbob on Jan 28, 2009 20:38:30 GMT -5
Lord Jesus love you, Brother Bullhorn and so do I. I pray for you to see the error of your ways. Which error? Give me something scriptural and specific. Anyone can bring accusations. I mean, the Bible is clear on this subject: Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19, 20) If I am in error, it is your job to convert me.
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Post by fs on Jan 29, 2009 8:12:03 GMT -5
That is up to Christ. I pray for you and your ministry and though I disagree with your tactics and statements, they may well be what someone else needs to hear. I pray your message falls on the right ears, as this bickering between us leads nowhere.
May the Lord direct you to the people who need to hear your particular brand of teaching and may they be directed toward you to hear it also.
I pray for you and your ministry and that through you souls might be saved as I am sure there are some out there you are meant to reach.
Blessings to you and also may you receive wisdom from on high.
And I am still not this Lirette guy.
I lift your minister and should have done this from the start. May you win people for the glory of Christ and many of them.
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Post by fs on Feb 6, 2009 16:29:19 GMT -5
Lirette follow up. I read some of his posts and articles online and he is a far better preacher than a lot of people I have read om this board and certainly in the real world out there.. I hope he comes back here.
I plan to check out his book.
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Post by judgment on Feb 11, 2009 18:51:41 GMT -5
Dan Lirette was one of the true believers here and it is a shame he left or was banned as he could refuse some of the nonsense the others have plastered here.
He knew the absurdity of teaching god's wrath and ignoring the cross, love and salvation through Christ, where you people make him sound like a thug who will break your leg if you fall abck into sin. He knew the foolishness of name calling under the mask of "calling sin sin: and turning people away from the message of salvation. he knew the Pharisees here for what they were and called them on it. He knew the absurdity of this doctrine you preach of sinlessness, as opposed to the grace of God.
Dan Lirette is and was a better brother and man of God than the bulk of you hypocrites will ever be. I pity YOU when YOU face Jesus and are told "I never knew thee..."
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Post by messengermicah on Feb 12, 2009 0:49:08 GMT -5
Who are the people on this board who brag about not having sinned in 20 years?
I have never heard that.
Who are all these people pacp?
Jed Smock has never posted here to my knowledge.
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Post by fs on Feb 12, 2009 10:37:05 GMT -5
Good for you, Micah, as you have a few new playmates to argue with and talk down to.
On the other hand, I am grateful to you as one of your posts to another person actually planted a seed of inspiration in me on forming my own bible study to also try to witness in the way I feel effective, to win gay or bi people to the Lord.
Here is a novel concept for you. Instead of making your wisecracks, how about praying for said study to be a success and to reach some people!
How about that one for a change?
May your own ministry reach those who will be affected by your words and may you never be put to the sword by angry gays!
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Feb 12, 2009 12:38:09 GMT -5
I've been a member of this message board since its inception.
Dan rode a see-saw on this msg board between being outrageous and unteachable to loving and understanding and back again.
I pray Dan's doing well and I'm sure if he ever wants to participate on this board again, he'll be more than welcome to do so, as long as he remains civil and willing to back up posts with scripture - just like everyone else is expected to.
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Post by debonnaire on Feb 12, 2009 16:29:11 GMT -5
what is strange is that Dan disappeared at the same period than some others like Josef Urban and others. Coincidence ? maybe, maybe not. Nothing to say about Josef Urban , guys ? Was he also "immature" ?
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Post by fs on Feb 13, 2009 9:26:46 GMT -5
I think Jess not onyl banned nonchristians, but a load of Christians who took him to task as well
Real Christlike of you Jesse.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Feb 16, 2009 20:23:36 GMT -5
"Took him to task???"
I don't participate too much on these boards. Occasionally. But I do observe often. Most of the people Christian and unchristian alike were banned from the board because they were not backing posts with scripture and intentionally being insulting.
There's got to be SOME semblance of order - even on the internet.
Today's view of Christians is this namby-pamby lilly livered soft boy sissy who is supposed to let everyone walk all over him and have their way with him and all he does - which is a load of post modern humanistic trash.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Feb 16, 2009 20:41:55 GMT -5
"Took him to task???" I don't participate too much on these boards. Occasionally. But I do observe often. Most of the people Christian and unchristian alike were banned from the board because they were not backing posts with scripture and intentionally being insulting. There's got to be SOME semblance of order - even on the internet. Today's view of Christians is this namby-pamby lilly livered soft boy sissy who is supposed to let everyone walk all over him and have their way with him and all he does - which is a load of post modern humanistic trash. What is a NAMBY-PAMBY anyway ? I must look it up ! ;D
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Post by Evan Schaible on Jul 25, 2009 1:39:49 GMT -5
Well I am not too sure how significant this is any longer, but an early post in this thread set me off on google and I stumbled onto this. Not too sure of its legitemacy but I did actually hear that this rumor was true. So to answer the question, this would explain his dissappearance. Granted not all of this is worth reading, and some is very innapropriate, but the affair part is what I mean. Whats wierd is the moncton forums have a section dedicated to Dan, and also he is an admin. But upon researching this thing, I would say it is all pretty weird and I would just steer clear of all of them. The reason I know about these forums is that when Dan was around here he asked me to come to them and help him debate with a few people, and I did of course. www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Dan_LiretteEDIT: This is a TANGLED web, but I guess that Moncton forums website is actually Dan's. I am sorry I began looking into this because following legitimate leads is really disturbing. I dont know what to think, and this is VERY greiving even from a true perspective. There are links on the bottom of that wiki to legitimate nes sites, and I had trouble looking at them.
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Post by Evan Schaible on Jul 25, 2009 2:40:26 GMT -5
Well I think this thread was started most likely by a member at the Something Awful forums. They kind of made a big deal and posted all over the place. But one has to ask, do people like this actually serve to point out hypocrisy?
Again, this is a mess.
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Post by crumby on Jul 28, 2009 7:59:27 GMT -5
I think this Lirette person and the Something Awful people are both scumbags and I would not want to be any if them on judgment day.
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