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Post by rebecca on Apr 17, 2009 16:30:04 GMT -5
I got this from Darrel Rundus:
I have heard they are doing these random searches not on the border but the interstate. They shine flashlights in your car and sometimes ask to search it.
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 18, 2009 8:52:17 GMT -5
That's crazy! If our court system still works down there, they are in BIG trouble! He won't have to work again, that is for sure...
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Post by rebecca on Apr 19, 2009 11:34:50 GMT -5
Pastor beaten, Tasered for defending his rights But Supreme Court grants agents exception to obeying Constitution www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95300"..."We have never approved a checkpoint program whose primary purpose was to detect evidence of ordinary criminal wrongdoing," the Supreme Court majority wrote in Indianapolis vs. Edmond. "The [Indianapolis] checkpoints violate the Fourth Amendment." The 1976 United States vs. Martinez-Fuerte decision, however, created an exception allowing the Border Patrol the unique power to establish checkpoints for seeking illegal immigrants, with the secondary purpose of finding drugs. So while Yuma-area police cannot operate a K-9, or drug-detecting dog, checkpoint without violating the Fourth Amendment, the Border Patrol can." "..."Border Patrol immigration checkpoints don't give Border Patrol agents carte blanche to automatically search persons or their vehicles," Vik explained. "To conduct a legal search under the Fourth Amendment, agents must develop an articulable probable cause to conduct a lawful search." In Anderson's case, the pastor claims the K-9 dog made no bark or indication that his rental car was tainted with drugs, while Vik insisted to WND that the dog did alert agents to drugs, thus granting probable cause for the search. Both Anderson and Vik confirm that no contraband was discovered on the vehicle. As for the Tasering and other alleged rough treatment by police, Vik told WND that Anderson was extracted from his car and arrested by Arizona Department of Public Safety officers, not the Border Patrol, a statement Anderson confirms in his video. The Arizona DPS told WND that an investigation into the officers' actions is ongoing and no comment can be made until it is complete. Anderson spent the evening of his arrest in jail and is awaiting a formal arraignment at which he intends to plead "not guilty."
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Post by rwrf on Apr 19, 2009 19:55:52 GMT -5
It's not unreasonable to have checkpoints near the Mexican border and do random searches of vehicles. Probably cause or not, this pastor should have answered their questions and let them search his car.
What happened to Christians who got beat up for trying to smuggle Bibles. Now we have Pastors who get beat up for defending their "rights" not to answer questions or let police look at the tools in his trunk?
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Post by rebecca on Apr 19, 2009 20:21:37 GMT -5
It's not unreasonable to have checkpoints near the Mexican border and do random searches of vehicles. Probably cause or not, this pastor should have answered their questions and let them search his car. What happened to Christians who got beat up for trying to smuggle Bibles. Now we have Pastors who get beat up for defending their "rights" not to answer questions or let police look at the tools in his trunk? I would have let them search my vehicle. Even if I was in another country and unlawfully smuggling bibles I would try to avoid it at all costs. But if they persisted I would let them search my car and trust the Lord. The Lord can make the bibles become invisible. I have heard of that happening to other missionaries. If not I guess it's time to do some witnessing in the county jail. Worst case scenario he gave the police a hard time about searching his vehicle but why taze him?
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 20, 2009 0:29:32 GMT -5
It's not unreasonable to have checkpoints near the Mexican border and do random searches of vehicles. This wasn't near the Mexican border. It was 75 miles inland. What they did to him was unlawful and I hope that he wins big in court. The government and authorities are getting out of hand. Personally, I would probably just answer their questions and that would be the end of it. BUT, he has every right under the law to refuse to answer their questions as an American citizen...
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Post by rwrf on Apr 20, 2009 11:33:14 GMT -5
Guys, I really don't think you are considering all the facts.
I find it highly unlikely that the border patrol is setting up checkpoints in random locations just so they can get kicks and giggles out of harrassing law abiding citizens. While the border patrol checkpoint is 75 miles from the border, it is on Interstate 8 which is the closest freeway to the Mexican border.
As christians we should not stand up for "Constitutional" rights, because the Constitution cannot grant rights. Our true rights come from God and those are the rights we should defend. But God doesn't give us the "right" not to answer questions from law enforcment who are just trying to find bad guys.
From this guy's description of the events, the officers did assault him with a force that was overboard. But, imagine you are a cop asking a guy some questions and he refuses to answer, becaomes beligerent and locks himself in his car. You are obviously going to have to use some force to get him out of the vehicle.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Apr 20, 2009 12:55:05 GMT -5
Guys, I really don't think you are considering all the facts. I find it highly unlikely that the border patrol is setting up checkpoints in random locations just so they can get kicks and giggles out of harrassing law abiding citizens. While the border patrol checkpoint is 75 miles from the border, it is on Interstate 8 which is the closest freeway to the Mexican border. As christians we should not stand up for "Constitutional" rights, because the Constitution cannot grant rights. Our true rights come from God and those are the rights we should defend. But God doesn't give us the "right" not to answer questions from law enforcment who are just trying to find bad guys. From this guy's description of the events, the officers did assault him with a force that was overboard. But, imagine you are a cop asking a guy some questions and he refuses to answer, becaomes beligerent and locks himself in his car. You are obviously going to have to use some force to get him out of the vehicle. The truth is I kinda agree here, somewhat. We are losing our rights I must say. But it is because of the disobedient of sinful nation. Terrorist have caused this to be. But only because God allowed the terrorist to attack because of a sinful nation. The cops are not the enemy. The enemy is SIN.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Apr 20, 2009 12:58:47 GMT -5
In this instance, I believe he should have been more corroparative to cops. Do you think he had a choice at this point? NO, they were going to win anyway. But our freedom is in GOD and not a nation.
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Post by jaredtaylor on Jun 19, 2009 14:24:58 GMT -5
I have gone through the border check point on I 10 in Texas several times a month ago. 2 times I was stopped and detained and had my vehicle searched. I answered all there questions respectfully. They told me they wanted to search my vehicle and needed to detain me. I asked if they had probable cause or a warrant and they said "no we dont need one". I was let go in about 30 minutes. Being white and with no accent and having answered all there questions I should not have been detained and had my car searched with out probable cause. Why did they stop me?
I did have my Bible in clear site and anti abortion stickers on my car doors.
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