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Post by rebecca on Apr 18, 2009 22:10:15 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 18, 2009 22:45:51 GMT -5
Hmmm...lots of bad theology there, but let's not even bother discussing that since Paul Washer is a Calvinist. Besides the theology, there were three things that really bothered me: 1) He didn't talk enough about specific sin in my eyes 2) He seemed to try to get them to come to Jesus because they will be "content" in Jesus and not in the world. This is a wrong motive and he brought it up several times throughout the preaching. 3) He didn't mention repentance even once! This is very hard to believe since he preaches it so hard in the Church. I was just baffled by this last one... I'm glad that he had an attentive crowd that was calm and listening though. That was good...
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Post by rebecca on Apr 19, 2009 4:07:14 GMT -5
I didn't know he was a Calvinist or an open air preacher.
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 19, 2009 8:51:37 GMT -5
Yeah, he's definitely a Calvinist. More like a Spurgeon-type Calvinist. In other words, he preaches as if each sinner does have the ability to respond in repentance and faith to the Gospel, but his doctrine is the opposite. This is the first I have heard of him open air preaching. I know that he was a missionary for a long time, but I'm not sure how experienced he is as an open air preacher...
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Post by rebecca on Apr 19, 2009 12:04:51 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised if he is a Cavinist. I'm taking your word for it right now. If he is like you said this does not seem to be what he is teaching. He teaches that we need to repent and live holy if we are christians but if he is a Cavinist then we are already sealed if were saved so there is no need to preach repentance and holiness. If were not saved then there is no need to preach repentance because we will be soon. Hmm... I'll have to look into this.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Apr 19, 2009 13:04:35 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised if he is a Cavinist. I'm taking your word for it right now. If he is like you said this does not seem to be what he is teaching. He teaches that we need to repent and live holy if we are christians but if he is a Cavinist then we are already sealed if were saved so there is no need to preach repentance and holiness. If were not saved then there is no need to preach repentance because we will be soon. Hmm... I'll have to look into this. I really never listened much to him. But the little I did, I do believe; and I might be mistaken; that he does teach that none can backslide. He teaches that if someone claims that they were once a christian, but lives in sin now, that they were in deception, and that they never was a true born again spirit filled christian. Which is Calvinistic. But I may be wrong. I thought I remember him stating this though a couple times.
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Post by steve spidell on Apr 19, 2009 13:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah, he calls himself a 5-point Spurgeonist.
Hey Kerrigan, what sin do you have in your eyes?? LOL
This just sounded funny to me, like he didn't talk about sin that is in your eyes!!
I was, also, really surprised he talked so much about a changed life and being content.
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Post by rebecca on Apr 19, 2009 14:26:01 GMT -5
I really never listened much to him. But the little I did, I do believe; and I might be mistaken; that he does teach that none can backslide. He teaches that if someone claims that they were once a christian, but lives in sin now, that they were in deception, and that they never was a true born again spirit filled christian. Which is Calvinistic. But I may be wrong. I thought I remember him stating this though a couple times. I try to be careful about putting lables on anyone. But your right he does teach this. What I have noticed over the years is that someone can say for instance they are a Calvinist ect.. but not all Calvinist seem to agree. I know of some Calvinist that would not agree with Paul Washer about not sinning. ALOT of Calvinist are lax about sin. Not to mention everyone keeps changing their view on things. I think we all have to some degree. That's why I am very careful about lables.
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 20, 2009 0:35:43 GMT -5
That's funny Steve. I didn't even notice that it sounded like that. I've heard Paul Washer say something to the effect that we all sin everyday! He is one of those double-talk Calvinists. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth. He tells you to live holy and then basically says that perfection is impossible. Why even bother striving for something that is impossible. I don't strive to jump to the moon. I don't strive to grow wings so I can fly. I don't strive to be 7' tall. These things are all impossibilities. Why strive for anything that is impossible? Like Steve said, he calls himself a 5-point Spurgeonist. Spurgeon was called an Arminian by the Calvinists of his day and Spurgeon called the real, consistent Calvinists of his day "Hyper Calvinists".
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