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Post by John McGlone on Jul 3, 2010 0:36:07 GMT -5
A WORD TO JESSE MORRELL: Dear Jesse, mark my words, you will face the Judgment Seat of a holy God and give an account for all those you influenced and led astray from the grace of the Gospel. Yet I believe that as long as you have the breath of life in you that there’s hope for you to repent and believe the Gospel and trust in the imputed righteousness of Christ alone to save you. Salvation is by grace, not by works. Your works profit you nothing. Trust in Christ alone and renounce your own will and ability and yield it all to Christ and beg Him to have mercy on your soul. Cry out for a real revelation of the grace of God in the Gospel. I fear for you Jesse. You are in grave danger and have chosen a slippery path that promises Heaven but leads to Hell. My greatest fear though is that you’re not content to hold such doctrines to yourself, but must spread such lies around and indoctrinate as many as you can on your path of deception. Turn from the doctrines of men, the doctrines you learned from Finney, and Olson, and Pelagius, and come to the Lord Jesus Christ alone and the truth of the Gospel as revealed in the Bible. “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him” (2 Corinthians 11:3-4). This posted on the new Ambassador's Alliance MB. www.ambassadorsalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,114.0.html
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 17, 2009 14:35:40 GMT -5
that's great Brother, congratulatons ;D
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 7, 2009 0:12:10 GMT -5
Thanks for all that good information Jack. Sorry, I haven't called I just saw this post. I will try and call tomorrow.
God bless you bro,
John
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 5, 2009 14:57:59 GMT -5
I learned today at home fellowship that the greek word for 'church' = assembly and can be translated as synagogue! Learn something new everyday. Praise the Lord. Actually, that's not quite it. The word translated as "assembly" in James 2 is the Greek word that is transliterated into the English as "synagogue". The Greek word translated as "Church" in the English is "ekklesia" and means "called out ones." Sorry if I wasn't clear enough brother... What I was trying to say is that when people nowadays say, "we're going to Church", they aren't using the word "Church" properly. The "Church" isn't a place to go to. The "Church" is a people. You either are the Church or you're not the Church. If we were more proper in our terms, we could say that we are going to the "synagogue", since the Greek word "synagogue" means "assembly"... Thanks bro!
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 4, 2009 17:09:01 GMT -5
I often wonder why they taught in the Jewish synagogue. Either, all the Jews had become Christians, or they were there to bring them into fellowship with Christ. I wonder if the modern church at least in America has become a type of temple made with the hands of men. I learned today at home fellowship that the greek word for 'church' = assembly and can be translated as synagogue! Learn something new everyday. Praise the Lord.
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 2, 2009 14:30:25 GMT -5
I often wonder why they taught in the Jewish synagogue. Either, all the Jews had become Christians, or they were there to bring them into fellowship with Christ. I wonder if the modern church at least in America has become a type of temple made with the hands of men.
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Post by John McGlone on Jun 19, 2009 11:53:29 GMT -5
thanks for all your replies, I really appreciate it. I have been continuously praying for them and studying these issues. Some keys are: 1. knowing early church history 2. Messianic prophecies 3. Tetragramaton knowledge 4. linguistic understandings 5. Septuagint input
They are KJV only, yet reinterpret that version everytime Jesus comes up!
Some history on them, they were: SDA'rs, then YHWH/Jehovah, then YHWH only.
I asked the husband when he finally came to the Messiah, and he replied 1997, then I asked him when he came to YHWH only, he said 2007, then I asked him was he saved from 1997, and he replied that he did not think so.
Please pray for us as we prepare to meet this doctrine head on and yet continue our relationship with them.
God bless you all.
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Post by John McGlone on Jun 8, 2009 21:17:42 GMT -5
Here is a great website about an issue that is very close to my heart. God bless you. www.truthguard.comLet me know if you find an false teachings...Thanks. John
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Post by John McGlone on Jun 3, 2009 6:35:25 GMT -5
I will be going to www.riverbendfestival.com 10-14 Jun with a few brothers to proclaim the glory of Jesus' gospel. If anyone can join us please PM and let me know. God bless you. John
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Post by John McGlone on Jun 1, 2009 21:04:32 GMT -5
very interesting...will you get a chance to speak with him again?
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Post by John McGlone on May 29, 2009 19:18:15 GMT -5
praying for your mother.
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Post by John McGlone on May 29, 2009 9:10:47 GMT -5
The blood of Christ has washed me clean, the Holy Spirit has confirmed that in me despite the machinations of your mind. Again more presumptions. I am part of the body of Christ. You are not a part of the body of Christ, you are the church of Christ. Thus it is easy to deduct you must not be saved and you are in error. You need to leave your traditions and get with the body of Jesus Christ! Get this Jonathan, the body of Christ is....the body of Christ. "And he is the head of the Body, the church." Colossians 1:18Good, now we are getting somewhere. Note the 'Body' of Christ is capitalized and not the 'church'. I am part of the Body of Christ fellowship here in Kentucky. You need to get baptized into the real Body of Christ and leave your false 'church of Christ'. Your water baptism is false, you need the Holy Spirit baptism that will regenerate you unto the only true fellowship of believers that are going to heaven. Then you will be fully immersed into the pure water we have here in KY and then you will be effectually saved. Please don't get into a car or plane accident on the way here as your eternity depends on you getting wet when you get here. Therefore your idolatrous views of water baptism in your made up 'church of Christ is leading you to damnation. Repent you heretic, I care for your soul....... Your arguments are just ridiculous Jonathan. :-I} Amish emoticon
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Post by John McGlone on May 29, 2009 9:01:25 GMT -5
What is the seal of the New Covenant? " Study to show thyself approved unto God..." 2 Timothy 2:15 I've also showed the only correct and contextual interpretation I might add. That's why you won't touch it with a ten foot pole. I've made no presumption. I've only stated the fact. The eunuch had nothing to rejoice about until he got saved. Notice Phillip told the Ethiopian, '...you may.' He did not tell him you must. You did not answer the question again...please do so. Why does Phillip say; '...you may.' He did not tell him you must. Because everyone who believes on Jesus Christ has the opportunity to escape the wrath of God. Then he was baptized and went away rejoicing. You still did not answer the 'may' question that makes logical sense. If if was an opportunity as you presume then Phillip would have been lying and should have said, '...you must.' I would like hear your interpretation of the New Covenant, that I may understand your position before I proceed. Will you answer now please? If you would also include what was the sign of the Old Covenant? Thank you. God bless you. John
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:45:35 GMT -5
What is the seal of the New Covenant?
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:41:57 GMT -5
Acts 8:36-39
...And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[c] 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.
Notice Phillip told the Ethiopian, '...you may.' He did not tell him you must.
It wasn't until after the eunuch was baptized that he went away rejoicing.
Notice Phillip told the Ethiopian, '...you may.' He did not tell him you must.
You did not answer the question again...please do so.
Why does Phillip say; '...you may.' He did not tell him you must.
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:38:39 GMT -5
I've already refuted this. (Reply #33) To which you replied "I don't have to answer to you."
Your interpretation, not refutation.
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:35:48 GMT -5
The Holy Ghost has power and he gave miraculous power to the Apostles (Ye shall receive power...) You have not been baptized with the Holy Ghost and never will be.
Every word will be judged by God, you are in big trouble young man. Stop lying and the personal attacks and deal with the scriptures I have given you and you have glossed over.
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:34:17 GMT -5
The reason why the eunuch wasn't rejoicing after the scriptures were revealed to him and he believed was because he was not saved. After he was water baptized, he went on his way rejoicing because he was now saved.
Stop adding to God's Word, more presumption.
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 23:31:29 GMT -5
I deduct by your statement, 'Because I care for your soul.' That you presume myself and many others to be unsaved here. As I explained to you a few times already and I will explain again. Almost 13 years ago, I was born again of the Holy Spirit. I confessed and forsook my sin and trusted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I was water baptized about a month later in obedience to the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet, you have erroneously presume that because I am outside of your 'church of Christ', I am not saved. I am in the body of Christ, I am a believer and I obey Christ and the gospel. It is ironic that I hold to many things that you believe; obedience to Christ, original sin and sinful nature is false, etc. Yet, you don't have enough foresight to understand that you will not persuade me with your presumptions, nor your assumptions, nor your suppositions, nor your bad attitude. So be consistent Jonathan; don't post about wasting your time with us, and then come back with some false humility that you care for our souls. That is called hypocrisy, which would of course make you a hypocrite. God bless you. John It was 14 years ago, earlier. "I received Him with godly sorrow that led me to repentance almost 14 years ago." See, you don't even know when you got saved. According to your view there's no way to know either. Sir, you were not saved through the preaching of the Gospel. You believed a false Gospel which is not another. Jesus said in John 8:32 "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Friend, error cannot set you free. If you did not believe the truth about salvation how can you be set free? Your error has caused you to disbelieve the Gospel. As the same one you claim to be your savior said "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..." Since you don't believe that verse (and many others as we have seen) you can't be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins. If you truly believed the Gospel then you would arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins. The problem is, you already believe your sins have been washed away. "If you were blind you would have no sin; now you say "We see" therefore your sin remaineth." John 9:41 As you stated before "All the Christians, that I know of, here have been immersed in water as an outward expression of an inward change in their hearts and minds."That the denominational world's baptism. Denominations made that up and you believed them over God. That baptism is not in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ because that baptism was not commanded by Jesus Christ. You must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. You have already admitted that you are not in the body of Christ. The body of Christ is the church of Christ. You do not obey God. "These people draw near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips. But their heart is far from me and in vain they do worship me. Teaching for doctrines the commandments of Men" Matthew 15:9 You teach error on the unity of the church, salvation, worship, and have a lack of respect for the revealed will of God. You refuse to open your Bible and study to see if the things that I've written are true. When I prove you wrong you metaphorically cross your arms and pout like a child. Then, as one with ADD you completely change Bible passages. It's for these reasons I wrote: "I may be wasting my time..." Aug 1, 1996 was the date that I responded to the Holy Spirit. So I made a mistake with my math. Hmmmm, I appreciate your correction about that, thank you. The blood of Christ has washed me clean, the Holy Spirit has confirmed that in me despite the machinations of your mind. Again more presumptions. I am part of the body of Christ. You are not a part of the body of Christ, you are the church of Christ. Thus it is easy to deduct you must not be saved and you are in error. You need to leave your traditions and get with the body of Jesus Christ! Get this Jonathan, the body of Christ is....the body of Christ.
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 12:04:24 GMT -5
Your core problem Jonathan is that you make contrary statements that contradict the Bible. You say, '...there is no power in the water.' Then you say, 'unless you get in the water in obedience to the Gospel... you are not saved.' The earthly water makes the new birth effectual according to your view. I doubt you will be honest enough with yourself to admit that. There's no more power baptism than their is in belief. Neither are said to have power anywhere in the scriptures. I'm sorry that you can't understand this. Without the earthly water, no new birth can take place. Jesus said "Except ye be born of the water and the spirit you shall not see the kingdom of God." We've covered this ground earlier; why won't you just believe what scripture says? Mommy's water will never do, you must have the immersion of the Holy Ghost! Acts 11:15-18 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life.” We've covered this too, Paul was stating to the JEWS who was he that he could resist God in context of salvation coming to the Gentiles. Now a question if you please: What is the seal of redemption in the New Covenant?
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 11:59:35 GMT -5
So baptism by the Holy Spirit must be concluded by immersion in the waters of obedience in order to be saved. You still have not proven this supposition from scriptures. I proved that Cornelius was not saved at the point of Holy Spirit Baptism on one of my earlier posts but you have completely ignored it. Acts 8:36-39 ...And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[c] 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Notice Phillip told the Ethiopian, '...you may.' He did not tell him you must. It wasn't until after the eunuch was baptized that he went away rejoicing. Wrong, you have not proved that Cornelius was not saved until he was water baptized. The eunuch rejoicing does not prove your supposition of water baptism requirement either!
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 6:09:08 GMT -5
I deduct by your statement, 'Because I care for your soul.' That you presume myself and many others to be unsaved here.
As I explained to you a few times already and I will explain again.
Almost 13 years ago, I was born again of the Holy Spirit. I confessed and forsook my sin and trusted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I was water baptized about a month later in obedience to the Holy Spirit, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Yet, you have erroneously presume that because I am outside of your 'church of Christ', I am not saved. I am in the body of Christ, I am a believer and I obey Christ and the gospel.
It is ironic that I hold to many things that you believe; obedience to Christ, original sin and sinful nature is false, etc. Yet, you don't have enough foresight to understand that you will not persuade me with your presumptions, nor your assumptions, nor your suppositions, nor your bad attitude. So be consistent Jonathan; don't post about wasting your time with us, and then come back with some false humility that you care for our souls. That is called hypocrisy, which would of course make you a hypocrite.
God bless you.
John
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Post by John McGlone on May 28, 2009 0:00:18 GMT -5
Your core problem Jonathan is that you make contrary statements that contradict the Bible.
You say, '...there is no power in the water.'
Then you say, 'unless you get in the water in obedience to the Gospel... you are not saved.'
The earthly water makes the new birth effectual according to your view. I doubt you will be honest enough with yourself to admit that.
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Post by John McGlone on May 27, 2009 23:56:11 GMT -5
So baptism by the Holy Spirit must be concluded by immersion in the waters of obedience in order to be saved. You still have not proven this supposition from scriptures.
Acts 8:36-39
...And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?” 37 Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”[c] 38 So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. 39 Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.
Notice Phillip told the Ethiopian, '...you may.' He did not tell him you must.
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Post by John McGlone on May 27, 2009 15:19:05 GMT -5
Great thanks bro!
God bless and keep you both.
John
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Post by John McGlone on May 27, 2009 15:15:38 GMT -5
I have a question: In Acts 10:44-48 "While Peter was still speaking these words the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished as many as came with Peter because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, Can anyone forbid water that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days." Now the question is did they have to be baptized with water to keep the Holy Spirit they they had already been filled with? Yes they were baptized, and the question has not been should we be baptized but is the power to keep or get the Holy Spirit in the water or in the Faith? They had received the Holy Spirit by their faith. Thanks Ken Let's see how JD will handle this one!
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Post by John McGlone on May 27, 2009 15:10:53 GMT -5
why are you still 'wasting your time'?
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Post by John McGlone on May 27, 2009 6:39:32 GMT -5
1 Pet 1:6-8 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
Rev 3:17-19
17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
We can't find a baptism of fire in any of those passage that you've quoted. You've went all the way to the book of Revelation to try to prove that the Baptism of fire is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. You don't even have to leave Matthew 3 to find out what is meant by fire. Read Matthew 3:10 and 12.Though I may be wasting my time, I will supply a little contextual understanding of Matthew 3:11. Context: Jesus is talking to the multitude which was composed of Pharisees, Sadduccees, Repentant, and non repentant men.As John was talking to the multitude he said "... every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit will be cast into the fire..." then, "I ... baptize with water... but he who cometh after me is mightier than I... he shall baptize you with the holy Spirit and with fire... He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire..." In verse 10 and 12 John tells us that fire will be the judgment of those who have not obeyed the Gospel. In verse 11 John said to the multitude (including the Pharisees and Sadduccees) that Jesus will baptize them (inclusive, general) with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Just as not all of them would be baptized with the Holy Spirit neither should all of them be baptized with fire. Though some of them would be baptized with the unquenchable fire, not all would be baptized with the Holy Spirit. It's unreasonable to believe that "Fire" has any sort of positive connotation in this passage. It's obvious that this text is dealing with condemnation for those who bear not good fruit. Acts 2:2 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." Amazing, how you can pretzel scripture to fit your false teaching. Jonathan, you don't need to waste your time. God bless you. John P.S. You are just like this man! www.youtube.com/user/BibleSaysTV
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Post by John McGlone on May 26, 2009 23:04:15 GMT -5
Sir, read Matthew 7:21-23.
You cannot be saved outside of the church of Christ which you have blasphemed throughout this forum. The reason you won't study the scriptures is because you believe that you're already saved and therefore can't be wrong about your salvation. I dare to offer my time in order to show you from the scriptures that you are not and you cast stones at me.
"It is just such a shame that followers of Christ can not be patient enough to try and reason out their faith. "
You've directed this comment toward me. However, you claim to be a follower of Christ and have not the patient to search the scriptures as you also said, pertaining to the scriptures:
"I don't have to answer to you."
Your lack of patients has been revealed as you were not patient enough to stay on topic. Instead once I refuted your argument, you moved onto something different. That's disrespectful.
We are dealing with soul's here and you don't even have the decency to prove what you believe with the scriptures.
You sir are a true well without water as you have no scripture to defend what you believe.
Dear Jonathan,
Because your 'church' is named, church of Christ; does not make it so.
The true 'Church of Christ' is spotless, blameless, holy and obedient to the gospel and commandments of Jesus Christ. These are individuals who are knit together in love for the Truth of Jesus, His Word, and for the brethren.
I am not persuaded of your position, it is too bad you could not have been a bit more mature in your communications. I almost am persuaded that within a few day, there won't be much happening here. All the Christians, that I know of, here have been immersed in water as an outward expression of an inward change in their hearts and minds. What are you trying to prove, that we must be part of the 'c of C'?
I have dared to spend my precious time interacting with someone who's perception is always right, who can not receive the possibility they might be wrong. I am finished now Jonathan.
God bless you.
John
P.S. I don't have any patients, I am not a doctor. I seek to have more patience as it is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
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Post by John McGlone on May 26, 2009 8:13:40 GMT -5
Great job brother Micah! I was very impressed with your destruction of his fallacious arguments with God's Word. Keep up the great work! Do you have a copy of this video yourself? Maybe we could upload the whole thing instead of a fragmented presentation as this fellow has.
God bless you.
John
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