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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 1, 2006 10:18:10 GMT -5
i had no idea that scaring the 'hell' out of people will send them to 'heaven.'
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 1, 2006 16:56:26 GMT -5
If hell does anything for you at all, I pray that it scare the sin out of you!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 1, 2006 18:43:48 GMT -5
people do not like being screamed at, in fact, if i were to yell at you (in all caps) on this board and use profanity you would probably delete the thread, kick me for a day, or maybe ban me for life. you would say that such actions are contradictory to your beliefs.
exactly. when you, and others, scream your version of christianity down at people you are scaring them away. the people who stay are not convicted, they are drunk. the people who cry and tell you that they need jesus simply do not know what it will take for you to leave him/her alone.
the entire ministry, in my opinion, is a facade...regardless of whatever numbers you may show me. do you believe shock and awe war is acceptable? attack first, ask quesions later. cause fear..... ....this is big, jesse. i want you to look up the definition of terrorism and compare it to your ministry. terrorism isn't extremist muslims or warmongers, it is anyone who causes fear.
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Post by ejuliot on Aug 8, 2006 14:53:03 GMT -5
....this is big, jesse. i want you to look up the definition of terrorism and compare it to your ministry. terrorism isn't extremist muslims or warmongers, it is anyone who causes fear. Um...then these people are all terrorists... The U.S. Government The FBI The Police Doctors Dentists Parents My brother's 2nd grade teacher College Professors The Dean of Students People who drive (for pedestrians) The U.S. army The Surgeon General Arnold Swarzeneggar and especially... Dusty, I am guessing you were probably tried when you wrote that . I know you know that there is a type of healthy fear. I fear sticking my hand in fire, jumping from a 10 story building, Driving really fast on the freeway without my headlights on in the middle of the night, etc... Fear is good when it keeps you from danger. That is why the fear of God is so important because it will keep you from the danger of God's wrath. Just Passing through... Liz
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Post by luketentwo on Aug 8, 2006 19:03:03 GMT -5
thanks liz, that is agood reminder.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 8, 2006 21:56:56 GMT -5
Oh yeah... what about CHUCK NORRIS!!! Ooh Rah!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 9, 2006 11:46:54 GMT -5
i was not joking, ejuliot, but leave it to christians...nevermind. anyway, half of your 'list' can actually be called terrorists. i would submit that the government, all its secret agencies, and the military who have imposed themselves on other people for two hundred years...its THEY who see US as terrorists. we think what we do is noble, right and guided by god.
do you not think they think the same thing? this is what i was driving home.
so, yes, even though you insult me by throwing in 'clowns' in fancy scrolling text...you know i was not implying that in the least.
grow up.
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Post by ejuliot on Aug 9, 2006 17:52:04 GMT -5
i was not joking, ejuliot, but leave it to christians...nevermind. anyway, half of your 'list' can actually be called terrorists. i would submit that the government, all its secret agencies, and the military who have imposed themselves on other people for two hundred years...its THEY who see US as terrorists. we think what we do is noble, right and guided by god. do you not think they think the same thing? this is what i was driving home. so, yes, even though you insult me by throwing in 'clowns' in fancy scrolling text...you know i was not implying that in the least. grow up. Sorry, I wasn't trying to mock you. To be honest I don't understand what you are saying...maybe I am slow or something...oh well No hard feelings I hope. Liz
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 10, 2006 6:55:51 GMT -5
i am not sure how else to put it. i think that christians don't realize that there are others out in the universe who are nothing like them. they believe they have a handle on the truth, and that everything they do and/or says goes. period. so, if people disagree, its forced upon them.
this can be a form of terrorism.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 10, 2006 13:01:03 GMT -5
"Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord we persuade men." - Apostle Paul
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 11, 2006 13:52:38 GMT -5
i am not sure how else to put it. i think that christians don't realize that there are others out in the universe who are nothing like them. they believe they have a handle on the truth, and that everything they do and/or says goes. period. so, if people disagree, its forced upon them. this can be a form of terrorism. HSTN..... I realize we may come across as "forceful" etc etc, yet: Who doesn;t make their spouse #1? Who doesn't brag up their favorite star, actor, musican? In the same manner, we do the same with the One who cleansed us from sin and vile wickedness. He changed us, HSTN. We're thankful.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 14, 2006 11:31:29 GMT -5
wait, wait, wait... "who doesn't make their spouse #1?"
what the hell does that mean? you don't think its wrong to travel across the nation being a bum while your partner in life works their behind off at home? she pays the bills while you live in a van. some marriage. i treat my wife with the dignity, love and respect she deserves. she is my equal.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 14, 2006 11:38:18 GMT -5
Who is married and lives in a van while their wife is at home paying bills? I don't know of anyone...
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 14, 2006 11:47:59 GMT -5
i will let you ask oao yourself.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 14, 2006 11:49:45 GMT -5
As far as I know none of them are married at the moment. I know they were not married last semester.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 14, 2006 12:47:45 GMT -5
NONE of them are married at the moment. Jesse and Jeff will be married soon and last I heard their wives will be traveling with them this coming school year. As far as being "bums"...if the people who supported them really thought that way, I am sure they wouldn't support them. Bottom line is that people will do what they want with the money God Blesses THEM with. HSTN2983, who are you to say what the people who support Jesse, etc. do with their money? They obviously don't think they are "bums" as you do, so why don't you just leave that whole issue alone. You act as if Jesse, etc. hold their donors at gun point and make them give donations. Jesse is truthful in his reports about what he has been doing as far as ministry is concerned and the people who like what he is doing choose to support him. That's all there is to it...
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 14, 2006 13:30:29 GMT -5
I thought you said your wife supported you while you went to school Dusty.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 14, 2006 13:40:16 GMT -5
I thought you said your wife supported you while you went to school Dusty. I thought that I remembered him saying that as well. Isn't that ironic? IF THAT IS TRUE, then you are a Hypocrite Dusty, plain and simple.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 14, 2006 13:48:00 GMT -5
i post a lot for now, and i did not mean to snap back either. you have to remember something, miles, i was raised in the south . so, being raised in texas, i was taught that a man must work and support his family. women who work while men do not, as couples, are looked down upon in the worst way. i am married, and i supported my wife as much as possible while she earned her degree to become a registered nurse, and now its my turn. i am going to school, and i will finish in another semester, more than likely, so that my wife will not have to work nearly as much, and we can raise a family, although we will have the means to support ourselves in more ways than one.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 15, 2006 9:41:20 GMT -5
haha. nice one. i said that she worked while i was in school. i worked while she went to school. this was a mutual, and fair, agreement...and not hypocrisy at all. i work full time now.
they never plan to work. there is a difference. yes, i know they are not married yet. the sad aspect of the entire situation is that the girls are gullible enough to enter into marriage with bums.
i will not leave it alone.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 15, 2006 19:56:17 GMT -5
NONE of them are married at the moment. Hey, way to rub it in bro.... ;D Dusty, I currently have a full time job working in a cabinet shop.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 16, 2006 11:30:05 GMT -5
good..for YOU.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 16, 2006 15:54:10 GMT -5
I currently have a full time job in the Lords ministry. My profession is open air preaching on Universities.
It's very hard work. You take a lot of dirt, work hard in the sun, deal with the most unreasonable "customers", don't get any sort of health benefits or a retirement plan, but I love my job.
And I love my van!!!
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 16, 2006 17:44:21 GMT -5
I had a job about two years ago. But I cant find one now. Employment is SLIIIIIM here in MI where the rich get fired (ask GM) ;D and the poor suffer for it. Plus I have a checkered past.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 17, 2006 11:15:59 GMT -5
you are not 'working' unless you get paid, pay taxes, etc.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 17, 2006 15:49:51 GMT -5
I both get paid and I pay taxes.
Not sure where you get these assumptions from.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 17, 2006 19:17:29 GMT -5
I had a job about two years ago. But I cant find one now. Employment is SLIIIIIM here in MI where the rich get fired (ask GM) ;D and the poor suffer for it. Plus I have a checkered past. We all have checkered "pasts". Just some of us were never caught.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 20, 2006 18:26:01 GMT -5
Some still never caught; some men's sins are open while others will go befor ethem to the Judgement
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Post by Paul Mcgrade on Sept 8, 2006 0:08:14 GMT -5
messengermicah, I was wondering, if you'll be attending this concert, how your going to be getting there?
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Post by messengermicah on Sept 8, 2006 6:05:23 GMT -5
If things go according to plan, I will be driving there. If they don't go according to plan I will be flying there I guess. Most likely I will be driving there.
Why? You can e-mail me or send me a personal message if you want to. Do you need a ride?
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