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Post by paynesean on Aug 29, 2007 11:06:34 GMT -5
Hello all; I earnestly desire your prayers.
While I preached last time; a professing satan worshipper came and destroyed my preaching sign (he threw it in the park's fountain and then a bunch of the youth stomped on it)
The police came and asked me to leave for fear of my safety. I waited till the police left and the satan worshipper and continued to preach a few more times.
When I went home my father overhead my phone call describing the events.
The next day my father asked me to stop street preaching (in fear of my saftety), but I told him I must continue to preach.
My father then attacked me and afterwards went upstairs and destroyed my preaching signs.
At that time I fled and hid; I have been staying with families from the church since.
I understand my families concern for my safety, but unfortunately it is unBiblical.
Stephen was martyred the first time he preached.
Acts 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.
Paul was stoned, and etc.
Acts 14:19 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
Fear of persecution should NEVER hinder the preaching of the gospel.
Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Please pray for me as I continue to preach twice a week. Please pray that I could find a permanent place to live if at all possible.
Please pray for me as I consider to go back to part-time and thus go street preaching six days a week.
Mark 10:29-30 29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
May the Lamb that was slain receive the reward of His suffering!
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Post by runner4jesus on Aug 29, 2007 13:09:43 GMT -5
Paynesean: You must be doing something right and the devil is mad. You are right to keep going. It was sad to hear about your signs. We know the Lord who loves what you're doing will bless you with not only more signs, but everything you need to proclaim his Word to the lost. We know people will not understand why we are doing certain things that Jesus has directed us to do, but it is better to please the Lord above all else than please men. Pray for your father and most of all forgive him. He knew not what he did was wrong, he only cared about your safety. Pray for him, that's all you can do, and the Lord in time will change his heart. Because I honestly believe he did what he did out of love for you, not understanding. Bless you brother... Love in Christ, Tim & Margie
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Post by alan4jc on Aug 29, 2007 17:34:05 GMT -5
Hi Sean, it is too bad about the signs in the fountain. One thing I want you to remember is the command of the Lord to honor your father and mother. It doesn't say what kind of father and mother just to honor them. Perhaps you should stop open air and look for one2one
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 29, 2007 18:11:13 GMT -5
Hi Sean, it is too bad about the signs in the fountain. One thing I want you to remember is the command of the Lord to honor your father and mother. It doesn't say what kind of father and mother just to honor them. Perhaps you should stop open air and look for one2one Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. I'll be praying. You need to also honor your parents, but I don't know what to think about not preaching. I couldn't with a clear conscience advise you in that. God will lead you.
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Post by alan4jc on Aug 29, 2007 18:24:15 GMT -5
I didn't say he should stop witnessing or following Christ, but to stop "open air" for a time until his father comes on board or until he has a place to live outside his parents home.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Aug 31, 2007 6:49:01 GMT -5
Do not we have a new FATHER when we are BORN AGAIN ? Should we not honor HIM ?
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Post by eric on Aug 31, 2007 7:33:08 GMT -5
Are your parents concerned for your safety or do they just want you to stop Open-Air?
If it is safety... get a buff Christian guy to go with you! Or an intimidating-in-your-face granny to fend off the satanists! Just a thought... ultimately the LORD will protect you, but maybe this will help respect the folks' desires and continue with what the LORD has called you to do.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 31, 2007 14:09:19 GMT -5
Are your parents concerned for your safety or do they just want you to stop Open-Air? If it is safety... get a buff Christian guy to go with you! Or an intimidating-in-your-face granny to fend off the satanists! Just a thought... ultimately the LORD will protect you, but maybe this will help respect the folks' desires and continue with what the LORD has called you to do. Yeah, you should get eric to go with you.
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Post by paynesean on Sept 1, 2007 13:42:26 GMT -5
thank you all for your advice.
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Post by Kerrigan on Sept 1, 2007 21:19:45 GMT -5
Honoring your mother and father doesn't mean that you have to disobey God. You can honor them and still disagree with them.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Sept 1, 2007 23:14:14 GMT -5
I agree with revk. The verse in Ephesians 6:1, "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right." Makes it clear, "In the LORD". When the Comandments were given, it was given to people of FAITH. Those of the CHOSEN. It is not given to unbelievers. In the OLD, Jewish parents would be prowd of a child that would take a stand for God. Take Jesse, father of KING DAVID. The key to this commandment is "in the LORD".
Brother, honor your Heavenly Father, you will be blessed for it.
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Post by celebrity on Sept 20, 2007 17:48:35 GMT -5
HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER. IS ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE COMMANDMENTS OF THE CHURCH.
The days of dieing as a martar for Jesus Christ are long over. You do not have to go that far.
If a town dismisses you, You have only one choice under heaven, and that is to wipe off your shoes as a testimony against them.
I did this and the church which claimed to be of God is nothing but dust to this day.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Sept 20, 2007 19:03:06 GMT -5
That's not true. Christians are martyred all the time, just not in America.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Sept 20, 2007 20:33:21 GMT -5
The question is. WHOM is thy FATHER?
For one whom has been BORN AGAIN, now has a different FATHER. That person has died from his old LIFE, and has been renewed into another LIFE. A LIFE from ABOVE where HIS FATHER is from ABOVE.
Matthew 12:46-50, "While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
So, again the question is, WHOM IS THY FATHER? The earthly, from whom you were born of this flesh? Or, the SPIRITUAL, from WHOM you were born of the SPIRIT?
I HONOR MY HEAVENLY FATHER FROM ABOVE.
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Post by robdog on Sept 20, 2007 23:24:50 GMT -5
The days of dieing as a martar for Jesus Christ are long over. You do not have to go that far. My friend, there were South Koreans just martyred in Afghanistan. Read persecution.com, you'll find many Christians are dying for their faith. In fact, the number killed during the twentieth century is greater than all the other centuries before combined. Even in America, Google "Rachel Scott."
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 21, 2007 1:09:37 GMT -5
Praying for you brother; do as the Lord has led you. Fear God and no one else. We must obey God rather than men, when men disagree with God's ways of doing business with fallen mankind. Keep plowing, planting, and He will grant the harvest.
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Post by celebrity on Sept 21, 2007 11:15:41 GMT -5
Paynesean,
I can't debate God being the father of our spirits. But your natural father has the right to protect your physical life. Together your body and spirit make one complete soul. When the holy spirit speaks, he is speaking with your spirit face to face.
That same holy spirit is virtually screaming at me to stop this before it goes to far. If you must preach, do so in wisdom and grace with out dishonoring either father. Call them in love and do as the bible asks. either bless them that curse you, or wipe off your shoes as a testimony against them.
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Post by celebrity on Sept 21, 2007 12:36:11 GMT -5
I am not sure if jesse has a rule book about how to preach or where to preach. But I imagine when he started calling people to the work and said we will do this on college campasses. He did this to keep his preachers safe.
Universities go out of there way to keep people on the campass safe. But it works both ways, for preachers who go to far as well as kids that are to off color. I have seen a guy dressed as death, calling for women to abort their babies, as well as a preacher holding up a sign that says god hates fags. Both were escorted off.
In relation to the preacher who got his signs destroyed by his father and the community he preached to, I can only say I don't have the entire story.
I don't know that his father was always abusive. I don't know that the preacher went to far. But imageing that both the community and the father were Highly offeneded, I can only see that he must have gone to far. Which is why I call for grace and wisdom in how he preaches.
If his father was a violent man typically, I would strongly worry about talk of matradom. It sounds from a professional point of view as a psychologist in training that this talk is suicidal. DON'T ENCOURAGE THIS !!!
This btw this is also talk from ignatious which also wanted matradom (death) to go to God. As most of you realise ignatious came up with the name catholic for his church.
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Post by tonyholland on Sept 24, 2007 12:41:17 GMT -5
Paynesean: I am assuming a lot about your situation here, so I do ask you to forgive me if I am assuming too much.
I notice from your profile that you are 20 years old. Have you considred leaving home and supporting yourself so you will be able to go and do as God has called you?
I agree with a lot of what I have read about what it means to honor your father and mother. I would also say that honoring them does not always mean doing exactly what they want. Your attitude and response can very much be a honor to them even when you have decided to do something differently than what they have asked.
On the other hand
This doesn't really apply if you are living at home, especially as a adult. If you are living under their roof then you are subject to their authority and wishes. If your father doesn't want you to go out open air preaching as a "rule of the house", then you are subject to that rule as long as you decide to continue recieving their support.
May be worth looking into finding a Christian roommate or get your own apartment. Until you can do that, I would abide by your Father's wishes. He will still disagree after you leave home, but he will always know that you did as he asked while you were there.
My two cents anyway. Best wishes for the situation Bro.
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Post by celebrity on Sept 24, 2007 21:36:38 GMT -5
That's good answer on authority tony. I kneel before your greatness.
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Post by paynesean on Sept 29, 2007 22:44:43 GMT -5
Update: I moved out a while ago; I agreed not to preach while still at home. Currently I am sharing a townhouse with 2 heathens.
Still street preaching twice a week. Facing more resistance and what not (pushed off preaching box, etc.) Dealt with 2 sodomites today in the street preaching; went quite interesting.
May the Lamb that was slain receive the reward of His suffering!
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Post by celebrity on Oct 1, 2007 18:55:20 GMT -5
Sodomites, Wait weren't they destroyed. Brian scatches his head as he stares blankly at a computer wondering why this title is used.
I thought that san fransiscan worked better? Atleast its more relavent to our times.
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Post by paynesean on Oct 6, 2007 9:01:13 GMT -5
Searching for sodomite.....5 results found
Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.
1 Kings 15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.
1 Kings 22:46 And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.
2 Kings 23:7 And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.
I prefer God's wording over mens' wording.
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Post by jackjackson on Oct 12, 2007 11:59:38 GMT -5
I just read this thread today. What a time you have had! I pray you will follow the Lord.
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Post by celebrity on Oct 12, 2007 14:44:35 GMT -5
I am actually proud this one got such an appeal toward goodness. I still think this could have been hard had we found out this guy was willing to martar himself and others for christianity.
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Post by Brother. Ross on Oct 30, 2007 0:17:55 GMT -5
That's not true. Christians are martyred all the time, just not in America. Not yet, but i think those days are right around the corner.
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Post by swordsmith on Nov 18, 2007 1:57:21 GMT -5
Suffering for obedience to the faith, and Martyrdom is one of the avenues of grace the Spirit uses to draw, convict, convince, woo, and influence the unbelievers to believe, and believers to grow in boldness. (Mark 15:39, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:12:14, 2 Tim. 2:8-10)
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Post by celebrity on Nov 21, 2007 16:58:20 GMT -5
You know...
I like it best when I see the hero live at the end of the movie. Like Jesus in the passion. As for a yutes in a planes, who flew toward a building. They have nothing to collect cheers for and yet they were martars to their cause.
seek not martyrdom
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Post by art on Jun 19, 2008 22:55:51 GMT -5
You just broke a major commandment by not honoring your father and mother pal. Even if this has been long ago, you are stikll at it. Repent. Stop street rpeaching.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jun 20, 2008 10:25:30 GMT -5
Art,
Where do you get your basis for honor/dishonor from?
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