mattmahar
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`Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.' John 5:14
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Post by mattmahar on Feb 7, 2008 9:28:36 GMT -5
Just as in the days of the Apostles, so at this day we are forced to hear from certain denominations that we (by our obstinancy to adhere to the Truth) do offend against love and unity in the Churches, because we reject their doctrine. It would be better (they say) that we should let it pass, especially since the doctrine in dispute is what they call 'Non-Essential.' And therefore, (they say) to stir up so great a discord and contention in the Church over one or two doctrines (and those not the most important ones is 'Unfruitful' and 'Unnecessary'. To this I reply "Cursed be that love and unity which cannot be preserved except at the peril of the Word of God." Martin Luther. [That's probably a little to strict, but it's the principle of the matter which contains the truth.] Acts 20:30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in d**nable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Corinthians 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Ignorance of the scripture is ignorance of Christ--Its content Matthew 7:21-2321Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 1 Timothy 4:1-2Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Timothy 4:6If you lay all these instructions before the brethren, you will be a worthy steward and a good minister of Christ Jesus, ever nourishing your own self on the truths of the faith and of the good [Christian] instruction which you have closely followed. "Whatever religion or doctrine condones or makes allowances for sin is not of Christ everywhere teaches self-denial and mortification of worldliness and sin. The whole stream of the Gospel runs against those things. Scripture emphasizes the "holy" and the "heavenly" (not the sinful and the worldly). The true Gospel has not even the slightest tendency to extol corrupt nature, or feed its pride by magnifying its freedom and power. And it rejects everything that undermines or obscures the merit of Christ, or tries to give credit to man, in any way. And it certainly doesn't make the death of Christ a cloak to cover sin, but rather it always speaks of it as an instrument that destroys it!" John Flavel Acts 17:17therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. False doctrine is a cancer, that should be marked to warn those of the flock. As a Christian we are commanded to make known false prophets and sects for the Glory of God that His Word may not be blasphemed. In Christ Matt Word Of Faith Movement And Their d**nable Teachings: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith
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Post by rebecca on Feb 7, 2008 11:27:42 GMT -5
There is so much that is d***able in the church. Do you think that we should all stand outside of these churches though and prophesy against them?
Another one of the most d***able things I see going on in the church today is a watered down gosple. Should we preach outside of those churches as well?
I'm just wondering how far do you think we should take these things?
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Post by alan4jc on Feb 7, 2008 13:39:34 GMT -5
What was the Apostle Pauls attitude toward the church at Corinth? I watched the videos and had some questions in regards to the brothers attitudes of the heart. I believe we can have the right message and go out in the wrong spirit. It is too easy to try and preach by the arm of the flesh and not by the power of the Spirit. So my question brothers is , in watching back the video or any other videos of you preaching do you examine yourselves? Are you open to and in fact welcoming correction from the brethren, or are you offended when the brethren question you?
Proverbs 10:17 He is in the way of life that keepeth instruction: but he that refuseth reproof erreth.
Proverbs 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
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Post by joem on Feb 7, 2008 15:08:29 GMT -5
Obviously the way we have been trying to reach people in these corrupt congregations has been ineffective, as they are growing in number daily. If anyone knows of a better way to reach these congregations, I would like to here it. I too am weary of speaking outside a church, but I think that in this case, Kerrigan and John were there as support for the former members who were reaching out to their families.
Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Feb 7, 2008 18:15:43 GMT -5
If I may say my peace, the only question I had was when the officer asked if y'all were protesting, the answer was no. In a way we do protest against false doctrines. To me this was in a way a protest, so I question whether the answer was a lie or not? I mean if we decide to go forth and do the business of our LORD, why not accept the suffering that goes with it. Jesus did not defend HIMSELF when being persecuted.
Isaiah 53:7, "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth."
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Feb 7, 2008 18:20:28 GMT -5
I have no business saying y'all were wrong brothers. I actually commend y'all for preaching the truth to these deceived souls. My question is the fact of saying it was not a protest when to me it seemed like it was. And nothing wrong about protesting, that is what we are, PROTESTANTS, protesting the works of satan. But lets not back down when being accused of such. Love y'all brothers. Hope I am not stepping on toes.
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mattmahar
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Post by mattmahar on Feb 7, 2008 19:51:47 GMT -5
There is so much that is d***able in the church. Do you think that we should all stand outside of these churches though and prophesy against them? Another one of the most d***able things I see going on in the church today is a watered down gosple. Should we preach outside of those churches as well? I'm just wondering how far do you think we should take these things? The answer to your first 2 questions is yes. The latter question would depend upon the Lord sending you to do this work or not. The scriptures clearly call us to reprove and rebuke such with all long suffering. (in love.) What an unloving thing it would be to sit back and watch the wolves devour the Churches. We would be no different then the hireling who sees the wolf coming and runs. John 10:11-13`I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd his life layeth down for the sheep; and the hireling, and not being a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, doth behold the wolf coming, and doth leave the sheep, and doth flee; and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep; and the hireling doth flee because he is an hireling, and is not caring for the sheep. Matthew 24:24for there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and they shall give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, also the chosen. Ephesians 5:11(11.) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them, Deuteronomy 13:1-5 When there ariseth in your midst a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he hath given unto thee a sign or wonder, and the sign and the wonder hath come which he hath spoken of unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods (which thou hast not known), and serve them, hou dost not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of the dream, for Jehovah your God is trying you, to know whether ye are loving Jehovah your God with all your heart, and with all your soul; after Jehovah your God ye walk, and Him ye fear, and His commands ye keep, and to His voice ye hearken, and Him ye serve, and to Him ye cleave. And that prophet, or that dreamer of the dream, is put to death, for he hath spoken apostacy against Jehovah your God (who is bringing you out of the land of Egypt, and hath ransomed you out of a house of servants), to drive you out of the way in which Jehovah thy God hath commanded thee to walk, and thou hast put away the evil thing from thy midst. Jeremiah 14:11-15And Jehovah saith unto me: Thou dost not pray for this people for good, When they fast, I hearken not unto their cry, And when they cause to ascend burnt-offering and present, I accept them not, For by sword, and by famine, And by pestilence, I am consuming them. And I say, `Ah, Lord Jehovah, Lo, the prophets are saying to them: Ye do not see a sword, yea, famine is not to you, For true peace I give to you in this place.'And Jehovah saith unto me: Falsehood the prophets are prophesying in My name, I did not send them, nor command them, Nor have I spoken unto them: A false vision, and divination, and vanity, And the deceit of their own heart, they are prophesying to you.Therefore, thus said Jehovah concerning the prophets who are prophesying in My name, and I have not sent them, and they are saying, Sword and famine is not in this land: By sword and by famine are these prophets consumed. Jeremiah 23:22But -- if they stood in My counsel, Then they cause My people to hear My words, And they turn them back from their evil way, And from the evil of their doings. In Christ Matt
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mattmahar
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`Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.' John 5:14
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Post by mattmahar on Feb 7, 2008 20:03:31 GMT -5
When me and Dan confronted the Wesleyan Church we faced all kinds of opposition. Even to this day we continue facing opposition for our stance against their watered down Gospel. But the fact of the matter is this, we went there to confront the leadership about the ungodliness of the"Battle Of The Bands" Concert. They left all the youth thinking that they were O.K with God. Not to mention they left unbelievers thinking that such was in fact O.K to God. And guess what, this year they didn't have a "Battle Of The Bands" concert. They didn't give a message that left the youth thinking they were all O.K with God. The Lord's Word NEVER returns void. In Christ Matt Video footage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTDLtpTRnwUP.S: But your motivation should always be for the sake of Christ. and for the sake of the lost.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 7, 2008 20:26:02 GMT -5
Let me just say this, and I think it will be the last thing I say in this thread...I have no desire to "defend" myself. This is something that was given to much prayer...not only by me, but by everyone involved. No matter what anyone may say, my motives were love and everyone else professed to have the motive of love...only they and God know if that is true. God Bless...
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Post by rebecca on Feb 7, 2008 21:41:07 GMT -5
Let me just say this, and I think it will be the last thing I say in this thread...I have no desire to "defend" myself. This is something that was given to much prayer...not only by me, but by everyone involved. No matter what anyone may say, my motives were love and everyone else professed to have the motive of love...only they and God know if that is true. God Bless... I would never even think of judging anyone's motives. Most of the questions I am asking, I'm asking myself. We live in a difficult age and it's hard sometimes for me atleast to know what to do.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Feb 7, 2008 23:30:07 GMT -5
I do pray for you brothers. But my prayer may seem strange. My prayer is that the WORD preached that day would enter into the hearts of those deceived people and take root and have increase. My prayer is not that you guys would win this bogus arrest, and the lawsuit that you are petitioning, but that your suffering would be a great witness to many around to cause them to repent and believe on JESUS CHRIST. I pray that this incident would do a good work in the preachers lives in bringing y'all even into a deeper relationship with CHRIST, knowing that we only have fellowship with HIM THROUGH HIS SUFFERINGS.
Preachers be not bitter but REJOYCE, and I REPEAT, REJOYCE for taking part in the reproach of your SAVIOUR. For I believe it has made HIM REJOYCE for your faithfulness.
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Post by John McGlone on Feb 8, 2008 8:43:08 GMT -5
scary video Matt!! Amen Rhema.
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Post by celebrity on Feb 10, 2008 19:48:11 GMT -5
Brian is wiping off his shoes as a testimony against them.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 15, 2008 10:25:39 GMT -5
This is an email requesting prayer:
Saints,
Request that you would pray for a brother and I that we would be granted mercy as we go to court today for our arrest a few months ago. We were charged with disturbing the peace with intent to incite a riot while we were preaching. We don't believe we are guilty of either charge, pray for the judge, our lawyer, our families, and our peace. Update to follow....
your fellow laborer in Christ, John McGlone
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Post by joeldad on Apr 15, 2008 12:57:11 GMT -5
Praying for them.
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Post by art on Jun 8, 2008 11:01:10 GMT -5
You street ranters probably had it coming . I wish more of you would get arrested.
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Post by John McGlone on Jun 8, 2008 22:35:29 GMT -5
God bless you Art! ;D
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Post by art on Jun 9, 2008 8:16:01 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...the myth is bigger than the man! Deceiving the gullible now as 2000 years ago. The movement will not die.
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Post by dale on Jun 9, 2008 10:23:52 GMT -5
How nice. At least he didn't tell you to keep your carnal advice off his thread like he did to me. Now what you should do is ask him, just how God is going to bless you if he doesn't listen to you!
Can't speak for you but if he ends up in jail again he better not count on me to take up a collection to bail him out or have someone bake him a cake with a file in it.
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Post by art on Jun 11, 2008 15:23:13 GMT -5
I hope they get cuffed again.
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