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Post by rebecca01 on Jul 18, 2006 5:41:14 GMT -5
There is no easy way of preaching the gosple or witnessing one on one.It doesn't matter what you do unless your REALLY out of line...
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Post by evanschaible on Jul 18, 2006 14:51:36 GMT -5
I like this one (homo parade):
"repent you filthy perverts!"
that is a biblical statement.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jul 27, 2006 0:09:41 GMT -5
I've been reading in John Fletchers "Checks to Antinomianism" a great deal of solid material which is very much applicable today.
Regarding preachers who often will say, "I just want to preach Jesus Christ" and "All I want is Jesus" with the implication that they do not want to hear about nor preach about hell, judgment, sin, etc. Fletcher basicly said, "Then they must take him in all his offices (Savior, Lord, and Judge). They must take all of his teachings, all of his parables, all of his illustration, all of his preaching. (Much of which was able hell, judgment, and sin)."
So we must preach like Jesus, focusing on what he focused on, and we must preach Jesus in all His offices.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jul 27, 2006 0:16:47 GMT -5
I've said "homo" and "queers" a few times while preaching but recently have thought about it. I am all for calling sin and sinners what they are. I use names like Sodomite and Homosexual because the bible uses them which means God uses them. But the extra biblical words like homo, queer, etc. Why use them? Is it possible that it might not be needed? Is it possible that it simply makes it easier for them to compare us with hateful racists?
I don't believe we should ever call them gay. There is nothing gay about it and they have hijacked a perfectly good word. I just think that there is a saftey of sticking within the boundaries of scriptural terms. I have used other words like "Sport-nuts" and "Porno-Freaks" on our signs, but am now thinking that the best thing to do is stick to direct names as found in the bible, even though these names are true of some people. I could be wrong. What do you guys think?
I agree. Though this is a very strong statement, I think it's very biblical. Of coarse "repent" is all over the bible, "you" is a direct way of preaching which Jesus and the Apostles engaged in, "filthy" leaves a biblical impression of sin, and "perverts" is a word God uses to describe people.
It's a sharp, severe, shocking, and serious statement. And it's very personal. But I have to agree that it's biblical.
As Ravenhill said, "We'd sure be in trouble if we get back to calling sin what it really is. She's not a wh0re, no no. She's a call girl. He's not a filthy dirty sodomite. He's just gay. It's not wickedness it's just weakness." And his point was that we are touching the ark to keep it from tipping.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 27, 2006 11:56:28 GMT -5
"Don't you know that evil people won't have a share in the blessing of God's Kingdom? Don't fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God's kingdom. Neither will any thief or greedy person or drunkard or anyone who curses and cheats others"
1Cor 6:9-10 Contemporary English Verson
I'm not advocating this version because I don't know much about it, but I think it is interesting that it says perverts and anyone who behaves like a homosexual.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 27, 2006 11:59:27 GMT -5
"What in Hell do you guys want? Trust me, there is nothing there you want!"
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Post by evanschaible on Jul 27, 2006 12:58:36 GMT -5
Hey, I wrote a tract when I first started preaching that was titled exactly that, "what in hell do you want?" Praise God for likeminds.
Jesse, I agree that it is a strong statement and indeed is very shocking. I personally have not said that exact statement but I have heard it used (especially at this years pride parade) numerous times. I say things like "turn from your filthy perversion" or "turn from your filthy sin". But I do agree that we NEED to call sin exactly what it is. That is a good quote from Ravenhill.
I do agree now that I really tnink about it that extra-scriptural terms should probably be avoided. The KJV was the satndard of langauge when it was first published, why shouldnt it be today?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jul 27, 2006 15:04:13 GMT -5
Shock and Awe Preaching defined, explained, and biblically supported.
Shock & Awe Preaching Defined: The bold and unashamed proclamation of controversial biblical truths that have been deemed by the world as unacceptable and offensive, given without apology or compromise, designed to capture attention, startle, and awaken the lost.
Spiritual Shock Treatment is a forgotten form of biblical preaching, but if it is revived and regained we might wake up the sleeping world and startle hell itself, forcefully advancing the Kingdom of God.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon on Shock and Awe Excerpt from: THE SWORD AND THE TROWEL VOLUME 2 ROUGH WORDS FOR GREAT EVILS
“We fear that our two pictures of last month greatly shocked a few of our good reader’s whose souls are tender towards the established Church of our day; but we do not in any degree apologize to them because the shock, like that of a cold bath early in the morning, will do them good, and strengthen their constitutions. We can assure them that they cannot be one-half’ so much shocked by our ridicule of error as we are by the error itself’. We do not make the evil, we only expose it; and if we use words and symbols which strike and stick, and’ even offend, we believe that they are necessary, and ought to be used far more frequently. We are not going to handle the abominations of the present American establishment with kid gloves; and if we judge sarcasm and ridicule to be deserved, we shall give the Lord’s enemies their full quota of scorn.”
The superior wisdom of Shock and Awe statements and one-liners is that they are not easily ignored nor easily forgotten. They are short and sharp and therefore easy to remember. My own experience is proof of this, as I did not have to go flipping through my bible to find all these quotes of Jesus because they were already easily memorized.
Shock and Awe Statements and One-liners of Jesus Christ:
These are only a few. I would almost have to transcribe the entire ministry of Jesus to list them all. Some of us may have gotten so use to these statements and one-liners that they have lost their shocking effect. But for those hearing these for the first time, especially in the days of Jesus, they were undeniably shock and awe.
Mt 4:17 - "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Mt 10:34 - "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
John 3:3 - "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"
Lu 14:26 - "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
Joh 6:53 - "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. "
Lu 12:51 - "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:"
Lu 13:32 - "And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox"
Mt 6:24 - "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
Lu 11:44 - "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them."
Matthew 5:27-28 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Lu 13:3 - "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish"
Mt 12:35 - "an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things."
Lu 14:27 - "And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple."
Mt 5:44 - "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"
Lu 14:33 - "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."
Mt 5:3 - Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Lu 16:17 - "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."
Mt 19:21 - "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."
Lu 9:60 - "Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead"
Mt 5:4 - "Blessed are they that mourn"
Mr 10:25 - "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
Mt 6:19 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal"
Mt 5:5 - "Blessed are the meek"
Joh 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Mt 5:6 - "Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness"
Mr 8:15 - "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod"
John 3:18 - "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already"
Lu 18:17 - "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein."
Mt 5:10 - "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake"
Mt 18:4 - "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven."
Mt 5:11 - "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
Mt 12:34 - "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."
Mt 23:33 - "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the d**nation of hell?"
Joh 8:44 - "Ye are of your father the devil"
Mt 23:19 - "Ye fools and blind"
Mt 23:24 - "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
Mt 23:15 - "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves"
Mt 23:27 - "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. "
Mt 10:15 - "Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city"
Mt 22:13 - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mt 24:51 - "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mt 25:30 - "And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mr 9:44 - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
Mr 9:46 - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
Mr 9:48 - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
Mt 12:39 - "But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign"
Lu 11:29 - "And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation"
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Post by rebecca02 on Jul 27, 2006 16:38:58 GMT -5
Someone once told me that everything in the bible is either black or white, there are no gray areas.This is so true...
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Post by messengermicah on Jul 27, 2006 20:23:31 GMT -5
I am in agreement with not using names that are not found in the bible. I know some do, and I do not judge them on this, but at this time I do not nor have never practiced this.
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 6, 2006 9:16:36 GMT -5
Any lie will send you to hell. You ask, does the color of the lie matter? NO! A little white lie will send you to hell just as fast as a big rainbow colored homosexual lie.
Do you want to make the way to hell clear? Then drink another beer!
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 6, 2006 14:18:24 GMT -5
I don't know who exactly coined this phrase, I think I heard it from one of th OAO guys.
"The Bible-Belt holds up the pants of hypocrisy."
I've added a little to it..
"The Bible-Belt holds up the pants of hypocrisy and one of these days the pants will drop and all will be exposed! All hypocrites will be in nakedness and shame before God!"
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 6, 2006 18:06:43 GMT -5
I thought up that one once when thinking about one that Bro Jeff made up:
"The bible belt is not a bible belt at all! It's a bondage belt! And it's wrapped around your neck and choking you! For every Church there are two adult shops!"
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 7, 2006 15:32:24 GMT -5
The Bible belt holds up the pants of hyposcrisy
That one is GOOD. Really good.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Aug 11, 2006 0:55:22 GMT -5
"Scientists tell us that our universe is made up of protons, electrons, and neutrons. They forgot to mention morons."
"The Devil's greatest lie: We still have time."
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 11, 2006 1:22:25 GMT -5
"John the Baptist did not say, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the Law of the Lord!" No. He said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"
Jesus didn't come so we could live lawless but so we would live lawful. He didn't come so God would accept our sinfulness. He came so God could make us free from sin!"
"The will of God is that you be sin free, not sinful!"
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 11, 2006 14:53:45 GMT -5
"These scientists are climbing this mountain of knowledge, and when they finally get to the top they find out that the theologians have been there the whole time." - Jesse
I thought this one was good.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 11, 2006 14:55:11 GMT -5
I picked it up from someone else.
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Post by menorah on Aug 12, 2006 8:22:07 GMT -5
As C.S. Lewis once said, Satan will tell us nine truths to get us to accept one lie. Alas, how many miss the one lie! Does only one lie really matter? Yes. That’s why Satan can afford the nine truths.
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Post by walterparr on Aug 12, 2006 9:20:27 GMT -5
Christian don't tell lies, they just sing them... A.W. Tozer
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 12, 2006 12:59:44 GMT -5
"Nothing can get through My Blood, but My Blood can get through anything." (Jesus Christ)
A true Believer it is who truly believes
God makes us worthless to this WORLD that we might be priceless to His KINGDOM
True Believers do not seperate themselves from the world to GET Holy; true Beievers sperate themselves from the world because they ARE Holy
Crippled gospels produce crippled Christians
In order to GET disciples, you must first BE a disciple
SIN: satan IN
I asked the Father, "Father, what do You eat in Heaven?" He replied, "Son, I eat the Fruit of Righteousness." I then asked Him what the Fruit of Righteousness was, and He answered, "The Fruit of Righteousness is Living and Abiding in My Anointing." (Philippians 1:11)
I'm simply one who knows One who is the only One.
I'd rather live right and talk less than talk much and live wrong
compared to some, I'm no one, but compared to no one, I'm someone
We need to be careful that we don't condemn to hell those who are destined for Heaven
Liberal Evangelism offers three things:
1- Forgiveness without Repentance 2- Hope without Holiness 3- Christ Without The Cross
I would rather be hated for my values than liked for my compromise.
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 13, 2006 9:31:10 GMT -5
Another good Jesse quote,
"What if God were to say to you, show me that little dance that you do"
That is a really good question.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 13, 2006 23:40:20 GMT -5
At a beach, during a VERY hot day I said,
"You think this is hot! It's nothing compared to hell!"
Followed up with:
"You think that water is relieving! It's nothing compared to coming to Christ."
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Post by menorah on Aug 16, 2006 15:42:35 GMT -5
Unbelief is not just the absence of belief. Unbelief is the presence of something destructive.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 16, 2006 21:24:20 GMT -5
"Turn or burn!" - Charles Spurgeon
"You are half devil, half beast, deserving of a thousand hells!" - George Whitefield
(Whitefield reasoned that because you can go to hell for just one sin, and you deserved hell for every sin you have committed, if you have committed a thousand sins then you deserve a thousand hells.)
"You are monsters of inquity!" George Whitefield
"God abhors you!" Jonathon Edwards
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Post by bullhornbob on Aug 16, 2006 23:24:26 GMT -5
"God abhors you!" Jonathon Edwards Hmmmm. Now that is an interesting quote. Where have I heard that one before? Anyway, I have this one rattling around in my brain today: Jesus said "go and sin no more," NOT 'go and sin some more.'
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 17, 2006 9:55:48 GMT -5
Somebody should have told Jonathan Edwards he would never have any results with telling people "God Abhors You".
People are going to be turned off and think God hates them. I think he was just projecting his own anger towards those people and not really expressing the heart of God.
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 17, 2006 19:10:01 GMT -5
God commands all men everywhere to repent, not some men somewhere.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 17, 2006 22:00:58 GMT -5
"If you are born once you will die twice. But if you are born twice you will only die once!"
"Jesus died so that we don't have to. He gave His life so that we could recieve life!"
"Don't play with sin because sin is not playing with you! It's a killer!"
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 17, 2006 22:21:06 GMT -5
We did the crime, Jesus paid the fine.
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