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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 10, 2006 20:21:36 GMT -5
THE SENTINELWhat would Jesus yell?Evangelist angers studentsMolly Branch, Staff Writer; Alex Danaila, Online Editor "Repent, repent all sinners, for the judgment day is coming!" said Micah Armstrong, brushing the sweat from his forehead. Gilded with his King James Bible, Armstrong's voice bellowed across the campus green. "God now commands all men everywhere to repent, because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness." Armstrong, along with his wife, who called herself Sister Elizabeth, visited the campus for the first time on Sept. 27 with one mission in mind--to preach the Gospel. "If the Bible is true, then most people are headed for Hell," Armstrong said. "The biblical way [to avoid Hell] is by preaching. Jesus said travel all the corners of the world, preaching the Gospel to every creature. Call sinners to repentance." He feels that if one truly believes this, then the "loving thing to do" is to attempt and prevent eternal damnation. Many students, however, did not "feel the love," in Armstrong's words. With voices raised and bodies tense, gathered students refuted the preacher's stance. The presence of campus police reminded the students to maintain their respect for Armstrong. KSU does not have an area designated for free speech. "We can't constitutionally regulate time and place, but we decided to rope the preacher off for his own protection," said Kathy Alday, Director of Student Life. When questioned about Armstrong's preaching method, Veronique Morel, a junior math education major, responded, "I think it's wrong. You shouldn't condemn people for what they do. It is good to tell people what they are doing is wrong but don't tell them that they are going to Hell." Armstrong rebutted the argument saying, "Often on campus, people come up to you and tell you you're not doing it right, but if you look at the Bible, Jesus said to call sinners to repentance. You have to call upon the issue and expose it. Lots of time you start exposing sin and people accuse you of judging. The Bible says to judge. But when you do judge, make a righteous judgment." Armstrong, along with the support of his wife, proceeded to make his point by quoting the Bible, "'You shall know them by their fruits.' Jesus is talking about how to discern a true believer from a non-Christian. It's a whole chapter on judging, but what He is condemning is unrighteous judgment." But at the end of the day is Armstrong preaching more religion or relationship? "The Bible says "to fear the Lord is the beginning of knowing Him,'" said the evangelist, "I don't want to show compassion to an un-convicted sinner. I want to convict the person and get him to the point where he is humble and instead of defending his sin, he is agreeing with God. Only then I would make a tilting change in my message and give them more of 'Jesus died on the cross for you and He loves you.'" SOURCE: media.www.ksusentinel.com/media/storage/paper402/news/2006/10/10/CampusLife/What-Would.Jesus.Yell-2342155.shtml?sourcedomain=www.ksusentinel.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&&mkey=1356288
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Post by oap001 on Oct 10, 2006 20:25:24 GMT -5
Great job Micah!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 10, 2006 20:27:46 GMT -5
They got some good bible quotes in that paper for the whole campus to read!
Of coarse, the one misquote about how the only way to avoid hell is by preaching is aburd.
But I still believe God could use this article to reach the campus even more.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 10, 2006 20:45:36 GMT -5
"The Bible says "to fear the Lord is the beginning of knowing Him,'" said the evangelist, "I don't want to show compassion to an un-convicted sinner. I want to convict the person and get him to the point where he is humble and instead of defending his sin, he is agreeing with God. Only then I would make a tilting change in my message and give them more of 'Jesus died on the cross for you and He loves you.'"
Micah... did you really say this?
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Post by evanschaible on Oct 10, 2006 20:50:45 GMT -5
Micah, Keep it up brother. Good quotes for the school to read. That crowdsis mobbing you, think about maybe getting a briefcase to set in front of you, it SOMETIMES helps to keep the crowd back.
Dan, Dont juge a preacher by a campus newspaper. I think you know what he meant. "God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble". The quote, nonetheless was scriptural.
--Evan
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 10, 2006 22:20:19 GMT -5
Thank you for your input, Brother Evan.
As you can see, I asked a question; I judged nothing.
When a person asks a question, Evan, it is wiser to allow them to give their own answer.
God resists the proud and gives Grace to the humble, Brother.
I'll await Micah's reply.
God bless.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Oct 10, 2006 23:29:01 GMT -5
Looks like a great article with lots of Bible. Sweet. Keep it up bro.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 11, 2006 10:54:14 GMT -5
Of course the quote was not completely accurate. Most of them were not completely accurate, but fairly close. What I said was more along the lines of telling sinners about Jesus compassion for them once they are broken and contrite.
The other one about preaching is the way to avoid hell should have been a quote from 1 Corinthians 1:21-"...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Meaning preaching looks foolish, but it is God's method of saving sinners.
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Post by dale on Oct 11, 2006 10:57:51 GMT -5
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I think it made you look kind of silly in most people's eyes. How are they going to take your message seriously when they are too busy rolling on the ground laughing at you?
Then again, wait til the Magic Bus rolls into Phoenix and you get a good dose of ASU and GCC. When at Asu, why don;t you tell them their sundevil mascot is sinful while you are at it and see what happens?
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Post by robdog on Oct 11, 2006 12:02:27 GMT -5
Riot or Revival. Good job Micah.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 11, 2006 12:19:39 GMT -5
Of course the quote was not completely accurate. Most of them were not completely accurate, but fairly close. What I said was more along the lines of telling sinners about Jesus compassion for them once they are broken and contrite. The other one about preaching is the way to avoid hell should have been a quote from 1 Corinthians 1:21-"...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Meaning preaching looks foolish, but it is God's method of saving sinners. Thank you for your reply, Micah.
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Post by ejuliot on Oct 11, 2006 14:45:21 GMT -5
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I think it made you look kind of silly in most people's eyes. How are they going to take your message seriously when they are too busy rolling on the ground laughing at you? Then again, wait til the Magic Bus rolls into Phoenix and you get a good dose of ASU and GCC. When at Asu, why don;t you tell them their sundevil mascot is sinful while you are at it and see what happens? You make Arizona and Ohio sound like Kosovo!!! They can't be any worse than Cali universities! Come on...Cali is the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts!
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Post by cervyy on Oct 11, 2006 14:50:34 GMT -5
Come on...Cali is the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts! Wait, I thought that was OA??
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Post by mahatma on Oct 11, 2006 15:48:42 GMT -5
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I think it made you look kind of silly in most people's eyes. How are they going to take your message seriously when they are too busy rolling on the ground laughing at you? Then again, wait til the Magic Bus rolls into Phoenix and you get a good dose of ASU and GCC. When at Asu, why don;t you tell them their sundevil mascot is sinful while you are at it and see what happens? You make Arizona and Ohio sound like Kosovo!!! They can't be any worse than Cali universities! Come on...Cali is the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts! Other than Cali's love for repeatedly electing whack-job movie stars to political office, I think we're pretty good people And for "fruits, flakes, and nuts" we manage to provide a big enough economy and enough tax money to support all those southern states that are so morally superior to us and can't take care of themselves Though I will say that if you have the stones to go and OA on the Berkley and Santa Cruz campuses, you'll have my respect. I'm very liberal, and there are lots of people in Santa Cruz who make me look like Pat Robertson.
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Post by dale on Oct 11, 2006 16:01:04 GMT -5
Hal;f and half. My neck of Ohio is boring and ful l of spaced out christians who would probably think the OAO team was the greatest thing since Jesus.
Now Phoenix on the other hand was like The OK Corral when we lived there in the 1990s. Hate to think what it is like now, but kind of see in advance what the Dream team is walking into
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Post by robdog on Oct 11, 2006 17:04:05 GMT -5
Of course the quote was not completely accurate. Most of them were not completely accurate, but fairly close. What I said was more along the lines of telling sinners about Jesus compassion for them once they are broken and contrite. The other one about preaching is the way to avoid hell should have been a quote from 1 Corinthians 1:21-"...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Meaning preaching looks foolish, but it is God's method of saving sinners. Thank you for your reply, Micah. Dan, where's the love? This reply was kind of uneccessary.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 11, 2006 21:16:53 GMT -5
I was interviewed for about 45 minutes. They would ask me a question and just let me talk on the tape recorder. I would give really long, detailed answers with lots of scripture. I think all three of the interviewers were supposedly "Christians". They all seemed very convicted by the end of the interview. The girl was dressed very immodestly the day of the interview, but my wife saw her the next day and said she was dressed very modestly.
Most of the quotes in the article were pretty close to being accurate, but not exactly. I remember how tedious it was when I had to write a transcription of the video of my arrest for the ADF. Trying to copy down every single word and get it exact. I think they had a almost 45 minutes of me talking and a lot to write down, so that is why I think it was not exactly accurate.
Nevertheless, overall I thought it was a pretty good article.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 11, 2006 21:20:47 GMT -5
Thank you for your reply, Micah. Dan, where's the love? This reply was kind of uneccessary. I didn't write it out of spite, Brother Evan. I asked Micah a question to which you claimed I was judging etc etc: You said:Dan, Dont juge a preacher by a campus newspaper. I think you know what he meant. "God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble". The quote, nonetheless was scriptural.You see, Evan, I was simply not affording you the opportunity of believing I was asking Micah questions in JUDGMENT; his reply was nice and I believe him. If I ask someone a question, would it not be rude for another to interject? Have you yourself not posted in the World-View section many times that you would prefer that only you and (insert name here) would debate and that you didn't want another's interjection? Where's the love? So, again, thank you MICAH, for your reply.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 11, 2006 21:22:17 GMT -5
By the way, most campus preaching is pretty much of a picnic compared to many of the places I have preached. At least the students are not drunk, and most of the time they will not assault you because they don't want to get kicked out of school.
Try preaching at Key West's homosexual parade at night, or Urban Beach Week down on Miami Beach. Besides all the physical threats and sometimes assaults, I was CONSTANTLY harrassed by the police. Preaching in your city every week can be dangerous because you can be tracked down.
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Post by biblethumper on Oct 11, 2006 21:29:29 GMT -5
By the way, most campus preaching is pretty much of a picnic compared to many of the places I have preached. At least the students are not drunk, and most of the time they will not assault you because they don't want to get kicked out of school. Try preaching at Key West's homosexual parade at night, or Urban Beach Week down on Miami Beach. Besides all the physical threats and sometimes assaults, I was CONSTANTLY harrassed by the police. Preaching in your city every week can be dangerous because you can be tracked down. I have an arsenal of weapons in my home if I get 'tracked down", to defend my family and for them I would; the first dare "devil" to follow me home gets the "shock of his life" (literally), and a few other "surprises". Being assualted for preaching is one thing; attacking me in my home with a 1 year old is quite another. We have a route we take however
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 11, 2006 21:41:26 GMT -5
biblethumper,
I was not offended by the question and appreciate that you believed my answer.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 11, 2006 22:16:05 GMT -5
All in all it's a pretty good article compared to some of the ones I have seen. Like that one that mis-quoted Miles and said that he said, "Attractive homosexuals should marry unattractive lesbians". ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by mahatma on Oct 12, 2006 2:44:11 GMT -5
Wow, even I wouldn't imagine that could be a real quote. That's a heck of a misprint though
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Post by ejuliot on Oct 12, 2006 13:00:40 GMT -5
By the way, most campus preaching is pretty much of a picnic compared to many of the places I have preached. At least the students are not drunk, and most of the time they will not assault you because they don't want to get kicked out of school. Try preaching at Key West's homosexual parade at night, or Urban Beach Week down on Miami Beach. Besides all the physical threats and sometimes assaults, I was CONSTANTLY harrassed by the police. Preaching in your city every week can be dangerous because you can be tracked down. I have an arsenal of weapons in my home if I get 'tracked down", to defend my family and for them I would; the first dare "devil" to follow me home gets the "shock of his life" (literally), and a few other "surprises". Being assualted for preaching is one thing; attacking me in my home with a 1 year old is quite another. We have a route we take however You won't believe this but I totally had a nightmare last night that was inspired by this post!!!! All these terrorists were trying to get into our house and My dad and I were trying to protect my little sister and my mommy. My dad was pulling out all these guns from HIS stockpile of legal weapons but when I tried to use them they wouldn't work while the terrorists were crawling and through the windows trying to get in. Weird!
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Post by mahatma on Oct 12, 2006 13:10:28 GMT -5
I have very vivid dreams, I used to have nightmares in which there would be violence which I was unable to protect myself due to lack of a weapon or a non-functioning one. I eventually got sick of it, and started picturing myself holding a glowing sword every time I went to sleep. For years now I have been able to produce the sword in my dreams and use it to defend myself. Sometimes if the baddies in the dream have guns I feel a bit outmatched mind you, but it's nice to have something solid (if anything in a dream can be said to be solid) and not feel completely helpless. Sounds wonky I'm sure, but the sleeping mind is pretty adaptable. If you often have bad or violent dreams where you are helpless and you "build" yourself a tool to deal with them it can actually help. If nothing else it can feel like a lifeline to sanity on those nights when the really bad dreams come.
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Post by ejuliot on Oct 12, 2006 13:22:04 GMT -5
I have very vivid dreams, I used to have nightmares in which there would be violence which I was unable to protect myself due to lack of a weapon or a non-functioning one. I eventually got sick of it, and started picturing myself holding a glowing sword every time I went to sleep. For years now I have been able to produce the sword in my dreams and use it to defend myself. Sometimes if the baddies in the dream have guns I feel a bit outmatched mind you, but it's nice to have something solid (if anything in a dream can be said to be solid) and not feel completely helpless. Sounds wonky I'm sure, but the sleeping mind is pretty adaptable. If you often have bad or violent dreams where you are helpless and you "build" yourself a tool to deal with them it can actually help. If nothing else it can feel like a lifeline to sanity on those nights when the really bad dreams come. I have found that when I have dreams I will pray in my dreams, then I usually realize that I am dreaming and I am praying for something unreal. But prayer is my weapon... "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." (2Co 10:3-6)
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Post by mahatma on Oct 12, 2006 13:26:01 GMT -5
I guess the concept is the same, to have something real and solid to you that you can use I'm glad you have something, I just thought I would share my solution to that problem since it sounded like you had a rough night
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Post by tbxi on Oct 12, 2006 14:10:09 GMT -5
I used to have dreams that were somewhat reminiscent of the nuclear attack scene in Terminator 2. Or I'd dream that terrorists were "invading downtown Omaha" and there were broken skyscrapers and stuff, World War II-style divebombing airplanes, and dudes in turbans running around shooting people with AK-47's. Fun stuff
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Post by Doc H on Oct 13, 2006 23:50:26 GMT -5
Good on ya micah.
You and your wife just keep on preechin.
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Post by messengermicah on Oct 13, 2006 23:57:52 GMT -5
Thank you Doc.
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