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Post by HDmatt on May 4, 2006 22:29:01 GMT -5
I wanted to know what everyones plan were for the upcoming movie? We are planning to take 8 by 8 plywood signs with scripture and DAN BROWN --ARCH HERETIC on them in front of the biggest theater in mississippi which of course I live a mile away from ha. Thats for opening day. What else can we do? What are yalls thoughts and plans? To let the world know that Jesus HAS to be held high!
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Post by cervyy on May 5, 2006 0:00:07 GMT -5
my plans include seeing it b/c i hear the book is GREAT!
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Post by messengermicah on May 5, 2006 10:37:57 GMT -5
Good idea HDmatt.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 5, 2006 11:22:46 GMT -5
I loved the book! I have a feeling that the movie won't do it justice, though.
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Post by cervyy on May 5, 2006 12:12:35 GMT -5
luckilly for me since i have yet to read the book, as long as the movie's story is good I'll like it.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on May 7, 2006 2:08:13 GMT -5
Our evangelism team have ordered some tracts from LW and plan to hand them out closer to the release of the movie. We are also putting some OA messages together to preach.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 7, 2006 14:19:31 GMT -5
i am going to the movie to see audrey tatou...ooh...so hot. i could care less about the plot.
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Post by ejuliot on May 8, 2006 12:37:24 GMT -5
i am going to the movie to see audrey tatou...ooh...so hot. i could care less about the plot. You know when you lust after a woman you commit adultery in your heart. So, you are going to this movie to cheat on your wife? Shameful! How does she feel about that?!
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Post by cervyy on May 8, 2006 13:17:50 GMT -5
Hey, that's the same reason i go to see any movie with Uma Thurman in it. She is the BEST actress as far as I am concerned. I'd sin like that just to go to one of her movies
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Post by rsmportland on May 8, 2006 16:00:12 GMT -5
I'll probably never enjoy a Tom Hanks movie ever again. I never really liked Ron Howards film making anyway. Oh well.
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Post by HDmatt on May 11, 2006 14:08:07 GMT -5
On a spiritual level, if satan thinks this is a big punch, we better take it with shield up and sword swung so hard at the open scene hell itself will hear the impact
Our God is a consuming Fire Hebrews
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 25, 2006 11:06:28 GMT -5
ejuliot, i did not see your reply to this post until now, but i would like you to know that she thinks that audrey tatou is sexually appealing as well. in fact, we both think that she is most likely one of the most attractive women we have even seen in our entire lives.
anyway, i think this topic is amusing because i can say without a shadow of a doubt that no christian on this board who protested the movie ever read the book--or saw the movie before hand. this makes absolutely no sense.
you know what this says to me?
this reminds me of a person who does not vote and still feels the need to complain about the president in office. i dislike people of this nature.
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Post by tonyholland on Jul 25, 2006 16:14:25 GMT -5
anyway, i think this topic is amusing because i can say without a shadow of a doubt that no christian on this board who protested the movie ever read the book--or saw the movie before hand. this makes absolutely no sense. you know what this says to me? this reminds me of a person who does not vote and still feels the need to complain about the president in office. i dislike people of this nature. Sorry, but let me cast a shadow ;D I read the book and actually went to see the movie before talking to others about it. It made sense to at least be able to intellegently discuss the content of what I was sharing against.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 25, 2006 22:56:02 GMT -5
i stand corrected, but i intended to use the word "most." i rarely use 'all' or 'none' in reference to christians, because there are a few kids out there with a brain. however, most fundamentalists lack the ability to think for him/herself and/or make a decision for him/herself without having to turn to a book, parent, preacher, etc.
the book/movie was entertaining fiction, based on fact, and was in no way a threat to christianity. people who think otherwise are ignorant bufoons. the author even declared that his book was a work of fiction. he took pieces of truth, a mystery, and turned it into a story. this is what happens with a lot of literature and legends. men accomplish great feats and are turned into ten foot giants.
i would, though, like to note that there was pieces of truth in the book/movie. note: pieces of truth--secret organizations such as the knights templar, illuminati, and others exist even now. the bush family belonged to a secret organization affiliated with the freemason sect. the kkk was once a secret organization, and some of their practices are still unknown, but we know they exist. people come out and tell the world, or someone is caught in crime. whatever the circumstance...they exist.
art exists. i hope you think that the mona lisa and other pieces of art exibited in the book/movie otherwise you need to take a trip to the lourve.
finally, jesus existed. you believe in jesus, right? haha, you don't have to answer that. in fact, the pagan gods and goddesses described in the novel/film can all be accounted for in any history text.
so, you have all this truth and it is turned into a fantastic story in which it seems that all the parts fit. do secret codes exist in art, religious literature, etc.? maybe, its possible, but no one knows for sure. did jesus marry mary magdelene? no one knows. your bible says otherwise, but you have to remember that thirty years of jesus' life is unknown...so this can easily lead someone to conclude that his last three years, though heavily documented, could have holes in it as well--or lies. no one on this earth knows the truth.
this is why you have faith.
you, amongst others, desperately want to know the truth--its a form of closure to the unknown--and so you claim it highly above all others. this is fine, and you have every right to believe in it. do this, and whatever makes you happy.
however, do not let it enter into your mind that jesus never married, or that things that other people say are a fallacy. why do i say this?
when you say things of this nature you begin to put limitations on your god. you put god in a box. "god does this, and not this" is like saying that its impossible for your god to do something that goes against your beliefs--human beliefs. frankly, that is blasphemy, not what i say or any of the other heathens say. so, if you truly believe that your god is without limitations...then live your life in a way that you do not put limits on god.
honestly, this may solve a lot of the problems facing the christian/heathen community. christians need to realize that they share this world with people unlike themselves.......
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Post by tonyholland on Jul 28, 2006 17:03:57 GMT -5
You know, I agree with a lot of what you said. Honestly, after watching the movie, it no longer seemed necessary to make some big push to "debunk" the movie itself. There are such a large combinations of beliefs that a person would have to have to believe that this movie is accurate, that it didn't seem worth defending the point that the movie was not a true story....that was clear. I will say that the movie provided a great medium to open the doors to discussions about God with people.
Were there pieces of truth in the movie? Sure. Knights Templar, Illuminati, etc have been proven to at least be real organizations/groups. I wouldn't say that the portrayal of all of them were probably accurate, but the movie wouldn't have been much fun if some creative liberty wasn't taken. I am pretty sure that the Bushes are actually members of the Freemason's (at least the Elder). I agree that the art is real, so, no trips to Paris for me. ;D
Where did the movie cause problems for me? First, the marriage thing. Some take issue with my opinion on this, but I could really care less. The Bible didn't specifically say that Jesus WASN'T married, but I have no doubt that something this important would have gone unmentioned. In the end, I could really care less. Jesus was God in Human form. He felt pain, he felt thirst, he had hunger, he slept, and he even experienced temptation. If there was a big, unmistakable report with plenty of evidence that Jesus was married, it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to me. I don't believe this, but it's not a point that I would spend a great deal of time arguing over either.
Another problem, and this ties back to what we were talking about earlier. Dan Brown did a great job of saying the book is fiction based on fact. The problem is that the lines are pretty blurry between fact and fiction (which is also probably necessary to write a good book/movie. For example.....Are the Knights Templar real? You bet! Is the Priory of Sion real? Not at all (other than what what Plantard put together in the 50's...I think it was the 50's). To watch the movie, they seem to go hand in hand, therefore it is easy to say "A is real and B is connected to A, therefore B is real also." Most wouldn't do this, but this is how some people fall into the trap of making books like this, their personal theology.
Big problem. The deity of Christ is questioned and disputed......Nothing else to say...I'm sure you can understand why that is a problem for me.
This movie didn't do a whole lot to worry me. I am much more worried when I see a movie with a "Christian" as the main character living, unapologetically, in sin. This is far more frightening of a deception that goes to the masses through various forms of media.
I do hope you can understand something. Christian's don't hate you. They don't want to see you executed for having different beliefs. They don't even want to ignore you if you aren't in their club (I'm talking about real Christians here). We are instructed to do a couple of things in regard to the lost. Live separately from them. Now don't try to pick that statement apart. This simply means that if I am a drunken, fornicating, non-believer that Jesse would not be able to serve the Lord as well as he could if we were roommates. On the other hand, Jesse may have a relationship with me, go to lunch, talk about the news and the weather, and at every opportunity, talk to me about God. He wouldn't do that to make me feel bad, he would do it because he doesn't want me to go to Hell, and because God told him to do so (sorry, big time run on sentence) We are also to be compassionate and caring, while being truthful and clear of God's truth. I just hope that you can understand that.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 29, 2006 20:48:04 GMT -5
edit: i am going off-topic with this because this goes far beyond the realms of any movie.
i have a lot of respect for you. the 'problem' that is beyond the walls of film and culture, in general, is the fact that not everyone who claims to be a christian is like you--and this includes jesse.
this is harder for you to see than non-believers. you see that someone shares your beliefs in jesus being the son of god born of a virgin who died for the sins of mankind and arose on the third day. i think it is almost impossible for christians to see beyond the life of others who claim the same. you cannot see the wicked in 'christians' like jesse. you cannot see the lies behind the smiles, or the hypocrisy. this is a superficial knowledge of people who are seemingly like you if this makes any sense at all.
you see me, and you know that i am different than you. therefore, you approach me and leave the likes of jesse alone. you think that i am the one in need, but i disagree.
i know who god is and i have chosen to reject him at this point in my life. jesse, on the other hand, is a christian who does not live by the bible, but instead, by his version of the bible. the version that appeals to him the most.
in conclusion, if you did not understand any of what i said above:
christians need the most witnessing, and not people like me. we already have heard the gosepl and that is all the bible commands of you. you are to fulfill the great commission and bring the gospel into the dark. i apologize, but every person in america knows of god and they know the bible. we have chosen to reject it.
the people you need to fear are the people who claim to be christians--the ones who claim to be like you.
these are the people i am fighting. i am not fighting 'christians' in general, nor am i fighting christians like you. i am fighting people who are extremists. people who live for war, death and destruction. christians who want it 'their way or the highway' what ever the cost may be. unfortunately, most of these christians are in our government and are deluding laymen like jesse to follow them--deluding and brainwashing christians everywhere.
p.s. how can a man be saved if he is already dead?
answer me this, tony, and then justify the wars we are fighting. justify the murder and ugliness that christians themselves throughout history, and even in the old testament, have taken part of and then, "wash their hands of the blood of others."
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Post by tonyholland on Jul 30, 2006 2:44:14 GMT -5
This is going to be scary, but this is twice in one post that we agree on a lot of things.
I'll tackle this one first...."Christians should be the target of evangelism" (I know that over simplifies what you said, but I do think I understand what you are saying as a whole)
I think that is VERY true in a lot of cases. There are many people who proclaim themselves as Christians that do not behave much like they are. You probably read about those cases often on this forum. Lots of writings about Christians, living in sin, or going to a church that doesn't meet the model of what many think it should, or listen to Christian music that doesn't "glorify God", or read the wrong version of the Bible, etc, etc. As often as those types of people are written and talked about, I would agree that we don't see nearly a equal amount of discussion about the polar opposites of those people. I would say that it is equally dangerous to be in the camp of those who are condescending, arrogant and prideful about their relationship with Christ. To look down on a non-believer and mock their situation with unnecessarily harsh words, and a elitist attitude is every bit as "unchristian" as sleeping with your neighbors wife. The Pharisee's were very much guilty of this as I have been before also.
Do I witness to Christians? Sure! Every chance I get. I'll spend just as much time talking to the saved as I will the lost. If I hear them say something that I don't understand, or I don't believe is Biblical, I'll ask questions and challenge that, just like I would if we talked on the streets and you brought up evolution.
I think it is important to also recognize that not everyone who comes across in a way that you may not see as Christlike is doing it on purpose. Some are learning, some haven't been taught any better.....and yes, I do think there are those out there who just get their jollys by making people feel uncomfortable and intimidated.
I would encourage you though to not throw the message out with the bearer. If you have had two (just throwing out a number) Christians who have been disrespectful to you in their presentation of the Gospel and two who you enjoyed speaking with who gave you something to think about......the message is still the same. Whether you believe in it or not, I just ask that you don't judge the message by the attitude of the person who delivers it to you.
As to your last paragraph......I'm not nearly smart enough to give you a good answer to that, but I'll tell you what I think. I don't agree with the premise of the war that we are fighting today. I don't believe that we belong there, but I don't think it has anything to do with religion. Israel and Lebanon? I'm on the fence, yes...Isreal has a right to defend their country, and I don't envy them being right smack in the middle of a bunch of countries that don't think they should exsist.......On the other hand, I think "proportional response" should be on the next vocabulary test. Religious wars fought in history. Man, a good part of things done in God's name today" simply does not have God in it. I feel the same about the Crusades, burning times, etc. I could attach religion to anything (and people do these days) and say it is from the Lord......that doesn't make it so. Wars fought in the old testament? I don't know why it "had" to be that way. Not a clue. I wish I had something better for you, but if I went any further I would just be pretending that I understand something that I don't. Does this shake my faith? Not at all. Being a Christian is more than just announcing ourselves as such, reading the Bible and praying. I think most Christians would say that they had a experience where they were left without a shadow of doubt of God's existence. I don't mean that everyone had a Charismatic experience. I didn't,,,,,but there was two things that I knew when this happened. God was there, and I wanted to surrender my life to Him.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 31, 2006 0:01:22 GMT -5
i agree with you that one should not, "throw the messasge out with the bearer." i do not think this is the exact quote, and maybe we should mull it over, but i know what you mean. haha. i always thought it was something else, but my brain refuses to function right now. anyway, my father is a good example of this. i have met hundreds of hypocritical, evil christians in my life. however, i have never met anyone who proves the love and strength--and truth--of christianity like my father. so, in other words, he walks the walk and talks the talk.
we both know in our walks of life that there are different 'types' of christians. this all depends on interpretation of the bible and the affiliation with the church, i.e. denomination. there is fire and brimstone, street preachers, christian laymen, missionaries, etc. all sharing one particular system of beliefs, yet live by different 'dogmas.'
my father is a 'grace' christian. he is extremely humble, quiet in nature, and does not speak unless he is spoken to, or believes something is worth saying. he works/worked extremely hard to support my mother, and his two children: myself and my younger sister. he has made numerous sacrifices so that we could live a decent life, but watched his dreams fade away. we never asked this much of him. he simply did it because he knew he had to do it. his christianity lives out through his actions, and not his words, although when he does speak it is powerful, moving and never negative. he gives without wanting anything in return--especially recognition (something jesse cannot live without, sorry, simply had to point it out). he is faithful to his role as a son, husband, father and friend. he is the type of person who will give you the truth, regardless of how hurtful it may be, because lies hurt more. he is the type of man who will give his pew, one shared by his family, to an elderly woman who cannot find the seat, and he will stand the length of the service at the back--bible in hand.
so, its fair to say that he is my father, but he is a man of god first. tony, i see christ in him. i see christianity for what it is in a man's actions. i cannot say that of modern christianity, and i cannot say that of certain 'christians' on this board. sure, they may live by different interpretations and dogmas, but its not reaching anyone, and that is why i am here debating the likes of jesse, amongst others.
you cannot scare anyone into salvation by yelling at innocent people you do not know. you cannot trick anyone into salvation by passing out money so people will listen to you. you cannot expect any of this to turn out good when everything is negative. 'christians' like jesse focus on people's failures and sins.
i have spent ten years of my life studying christianity. i am sure i have said this millions of times. i have read the bible on a regular, daily basis. i have spent ten years in church after church throughout the southern united states. i have witnessed some of the most wonderful people and things happening, and some of the most awful and evil people/things. i have seen everything from 'feel good' to 'fire and brimstone.' i have seen snake-handlers in action. i have seen 'christians' that even christians call evil, and cultists. i have seen thousands of kids attend rallies of emotion, like acquire the fire, and are 'baptised' through peer pressure. i have seen anything and everything that the christian life has to offer: good and bad. i have experienced it all, except god himself, and perhaps that is my own fault. however, we;re not talking about me.
the point is this: you cannot save people, as most christians will tell you, even jesse. christians simply plant the seed. [remember, i am not directing this at you]
right?
however, that is what most people are doing on this board, including jesse. "look at what i am doing." "see me, i am arrested by cops who hate christians." "take pictures and make it look authentic, hurry, quick."
this is not real, tony. this is not real. this is a facade that is killing people--indirectly. i know this is a bold statement, but let me continue on. people like jesse, fundamentalists, who plague our governments and churches are tearing this country apart. people in cabinet with president bush are influencing him to make every situation a biblical situation, and every war a war in the name of god.
this is not right, and its not real. this is not christianity. this is not what i read, EVERY NIGHT, in the bible (the old testament in a different story, but we will let that sleeping dog lay).
this is man's twisted version of what he can achieve in the name of religion. these people are extremists, tony, they are pharisees. they do not give two cents about what people like me say or think. in fact, they may not care about honest-to-goodness christians like you--and my father. they need to be stopped, and someone is going to have to stand up...why does it have to be a two-bit agnostic like me? hah.
they are fulfilling their own agenda, and it is far, far, far, far, far away from the will of god. jesse and some others here are fulfilling their own agenda. they may even think that they are doing the will of god, but i still believe that actions speak louder than words. jesse may talk like a christian, but his street preaching, jail time and reaction against authority, and the 'newsletters' he posts prove otherwise.
did you know that he, and christians like him, are filing suits these days against people they believe to be 'persecuting them?'
hmm. the old testament says not to sue one another, a brother in particular, but have the christians gone to every, single person in the police force--or whoever they are suing--and make sure they are not suing a christian? i guarantee you that at least one police officer out of a squad of over one hundred is a christian otherwise it defies 'population vs. number of christian' statistics. half of the nation claims to be christian, and whether its true or not isn't the point.
christians are ignoring the bible and living by their own standards, and christians need to wake up and see the evil that other 'christians' are causing.
i simply hope there is enough time left. who will stand up? why are christians so afraid to admit there are problems within their own communities?
why are they attacking homosexuals (and others) when they are cursing one another at church committee meetings over whether or not to pave the parking lot, etc.
i apologize for rambling on and on. shalom.
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Post by tonyholland on Jul 31, 2006 0:36:09 GMT -5
I think throwing the baby out with the bathwater may have been the term I was looking for ;D
You know....This post is very interesting on a couple of levels, but the thing that really hits me is your description of your father. That was written with such love and respect for him, but it also seems that you gave the credit for this to the God that you aren't quite sure exsists. Thats awesome!! What I don't understand though, is that you have this walking, talking, breathing person who is complete evidence of what Christ does in us. Do you need any further proof than your own father?
You seem like a smart guy....certainly smart enough to know that you can't take the behavior of some and write off a belief because they proclaim it and don't live it. Like I said in my other post, there are a lot of reasons that people who proclaim to be Christians act the way they do. Some really aren't Christians...they just wear the title. Some are maturing in Christ and will make some mistakes along the way. Some are so very concerned about the lost they will try anything.
You were absolutley right when you said that as Christians, we can't convert anyone. We can share the truth, in love and trust the Holy Spirit to do the work from there. Conversion is between the individual and God....thats it. This doesn't mean that we should stop trying though. I'll admit, it's hard for me to talk to someone who just keeps rejecting the message, because it makes no sense. I have to watch myself, because I can find myself pushing too hard, not to make the person make a decision, but because I just assume that I haven't been clear enough about the message. The though process is "if I explained this clearly, of course people will accept it.....why wouldn't they." It's hard to deliver this important message and be comfortable with people walking away saying, "no thanks".
I assume you have issues with people other than Jesse, but since I know him, I will say this. I have spent some time (not a lot, but some) with Jesse on the streets and in more closed settings, and I have no doubt that his motives are pure. I know the articles, newsletters, etc can look, but you have to see it from the Christian camp too. Those reports aren't seen by other Christians as bragging, but as encouragement. It's something that we can read and say.....yes, this can be done. I'm sure if Jesse thought that people thought he was being prideful, he would stop....BUT as soon as he did, he would have 50 Christians saying, "please keep sending those out....they are encouraging to me." It's kind of a catch 22. Do I agree with everything Jesse does....no. I think he would probably tell you that he and I are VERY different in the way that we share the gospel, but we have always been able to agree that the motives are to snatch people away from the snare of the devil and to further the kingdom of God.
I think that most Christians would admit that there are many problems in Christianity. I love the saying, "If I find the perfect Church, I'll leave because it won't be perfect anymore." Here is the deal. We can't stop bringing the Gospel to others because we act like boneheads sometimes. That wouldn't be fair to the lost and it certainly wouldn't be in accordance with God's will. Jesus didn't pick perfect spiritual people to follow him. He picked fishermen and tax collectors. Normal joes......We normal Joes will make mistakes.
.....and I didn't think you were rambling at all :-)
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 31, 2006 2:00:38 GMT -5
i do not expect to find perfect christians, or a perfect church. i know that is impossible. you cannot ask that of anyone regardless of the situation. there is a difference, and its called habitual sin. christians who sin, repent, sin, and repent like a vicious cycle. however, i am not talking of different scenarios, but of one particular sin. for example, and forgive me if i go overboard, but lets take masturbation...its as if a christian does it, asks for forgiveness, and then commits the same sin the very next day--or two hours later. this is the sin i see in fundamentalists. this is the treachery and hypocrisy that i witness on a regular basis, of course, masturbation is not one of them.
haha.
anyway, you are right. i cannot let christians distract me from what is real, and for the most part i do not. christians, and the church, played a role in turning me away from the church...but it was not the defining moment, i.e. i was raised in a christian environment, baptised at eleven and practiced until i was sixteen or seventeen. this is how i've experienced the christian life. i was one of them, one of you, until i started doubting.
i did not doubt for the sake of it, nor do i believe satan put the ideas in my head. there is justification for doubt, and the bible says the test the spirits. i did, and in my own way, i found my own faith--and my entire world--lacking. so, instead of remaining a lukewarm believer [see Revelation 3:16] i decided to cast all labels apart from me. i figured it was better for me to try and figure out why i lacked faith, and why i refused to put trust into something that i believed was untrustworthy.
i left the church when the doors of my old church closed, and the doors of a new santuary opened. the church had decided to expand, and they did so by asking the members to contribute towards a twenty-two million dollar 'stadium.' the church is one of the largest baptist churches in the south, and you may or may not have heard of it, green acres baptist church in tyler, texas. the last time i attended regularly there were ten thousand members on the roll.
there was no community in the church. the church was not a family, and that was something i believed it should be. however, the last straw was watching my father--and my friend's families--sacrifice heavily for a lousy stadium-seated sanctuary with cutting-edge technology. people took out second mortgages on their house, sold cars, boats, lake houses, etc. for a building. sure, people need a place to worship, but why does everyone need cushioned seats, air-conditioning, one hundred inch plasma televisions in the background, etc, etc?
i remember attending the church as a child and knowing that something was wrong. the youth group was comprised--at the time--of almost a thousand kids. now, its double, but anyway...it was treated like school. kids divided up, as usual, into their groups. the wealthy kids sat with the wealthy kids, jocks with jocks and so on and so on. my family was not wealthy, and i did not attend the same school as a majority of the kids, so i was looked down upon. i was criticized, and people rarely even spoke a kind word to me. i would answer biblical questions correctly in small group and kids would laugh at me.
these were all professing christians. the kids that would close their eyes and wave their hands and sing all the little contemporary tunes.
i knew by the age of thirteen that everything was a lie. i did not know if god was a lie, but the people lived lies...so why should i believe in anything they told me?
so, like i said, i started questioning everything i believe in.
yes, i have a past, and there was a defining moment that turned me away from the church. this is not an excuse to live like i want or a reason to blame people. i have a justified reason to think for myself and ask, "why?"
i made the decision on my own.
do i believe there is a god? i am not sure. i was a christian, but now that i am not...people like jesse tell me that i never was in the first place.
he may be right. i dunno.
i do know one thing, and this is one of my favorite, personal quotes of all time:
"i do know one thing, and that is, i do not know anything at all." - me.
note: there is something you, and really everyone, needs to know of me. i debate to gain an understanding of things i do not understand. however, this does not mean i am ignorant. i know that my replies are often flooded with bible verses and such things...but honestly, i already know what most of you guys are going to say before you post it. i do not debate to throw another religion, or 'satanism' in your faces. i debate to grow...
what is the point of anything if we all agree? there would be no need for this site, or any ministry, religion...anything.
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Post by HDmatt on Jul 31, 2006 20:32:57 GMT -5
Just in hindsight...........we got tremendous opportunities to share the gospel (good news) with people as they came to see what the big deal was ha. Had the signs make the news that night on tv. Passed out lotsa tracts and even met a coupla female personal witnessers who came to encourage us~!GAASP! My friend & me were blown away ha! I hate the stinkin lone ranger complex! Overall we didn't bash anyone over the head.........our signs FIRST ONE--JESUS HAS NO SIN w/ reference SECOND ONE---don't believe another gospel w/ reference
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 31, 2006 21:53:02 GMT -5
i like to watch movies in peace. i went to see the movie and some dude rushed in past the security and started yelling, "false god, false god." and i missed several key scenes. he broke the law and i hope they left him rotting in jail. hehe.
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 1, 2006 19:20:59 GMT -5
Ok just to look at that guy void of opinion, despite the complaint of disruption of your nirvana lol don't you agree he had some guts to do that? Or at least some conviction? What are you willing to rush past a security guard for? I don't know the fellow, and we were more peaceful than that, but taking a stand is taking a stand regardless! Agree?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 1, 2006 22:15:12 GMT -5
yes, and he has the freedom to violate the law, and will pay the consequence of diong so. i also believe that my rights are infringed on in certain situations, and i would not hesitate for one minute to vioce my opinion. this is freedom of speech. however, as ive mentioned before, all freedoms have limitations (laws) to level the playing field for all parties involved. i would have been arrested for rushing into the theatre and screaming, "its a lie!" when The Passion was showing. however, i did not, because i know christians expect that type of behavior...and i am a bigger man than that.
you want to disregard the laws...go ahead...fine by me. the less christians in society the better.
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 4, 2006 23:29:15 GMT -5
thats a good answer actually, I do wonder what makes you think that less Christians make a better society?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 5, 2006 7:50:33 GMT -5
matt, obviously, i need my tongue cut out. haha. i make the mistake of putting extremists and christians in the same category. christian laymen are none of my concern. they are sheep. they simply do what they are told.
christian extremists are like the muslim clerics. they distort the word of god into a personal, pseudo-political/religious agenda. they command their flocks, like shepherds often do, to do things...and they sheep obey...usually without question.
so, i retract my previous comment and replace the word 'christians' with 'fundamentalists.'
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