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Post by sean on Dec 29, 2006 12:02:55 GMT -5
JESUS IS COMING SOON (SUDDENLY)
An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer. Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.
The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her. This is what she saw:
"I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land. I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.
She mentioned four waves:
1. "First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes. The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated - and from an unexpected place.
2. "A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.
"The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier. Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.
3. "There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle. It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it - even sin against nature. Just before Jesus return there will be TV- programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)
"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage." (I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.) There the old woman said: "It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and the most indecent things will pass before our eyes."
4. "People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)
The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks. "I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war." (She saw it in the vision.)
"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.
"I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.
"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."
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Post by supergirl79 on Dec 29, 2006 14:41:22 GMT -5
I never know what to think of these kinds of things!
It sure looks like it is pretty accurate....except for one tiny little thing that I noticed.
"People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War. Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)"
There actually was you could say a form of immigration, at least in Germany at the time. In 1955 the Germans started recruiting "Gastarbeiter" (guest workers) to help rebuild Germany. They started with Italy in 1955 and continued making agreements up until 1968, with these countries: Greece, Turkey, Portugal and Yugoslavia. These "guest workers" were only supposed to stay in Germany for a few years and then go back to their original country, but, of course, many of them had been in Germany for so long, and brought their families over, that they wanted to stay. And so they did. By 1968, there were most definitely problems, as the Germans started feeling like these "guest workers" were taking away their jobs and, as you can imagine, they were not treated very well at all. Even up until 1993, when I was a teenager in Germany, there were problems with the radials that did not want Germany to be hospitable to people from the poorer countries, and they set fire to a place where some of those people were staying.
I'm not trying to discredit this woman's vision, perhaps she didn't know about the "Gastarbeiter" situation in Germany, or if she did, the "guest workers" helped her see the possibility of immigration and how badly these people would be treated.
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Post by oap001 on Dec 29, 2006 16:39:51 GMT -5
"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."
Is the above statement taken from this woman true? According to her Jesus Christ will return to earth after world war three. I don't think that is what the Bible says. I think it will be the anti-Christ that rises after world war three....and that it will be the start of the tribulation period.
A Christians view of the rapture and duties during that time become important things to think about. As will ensuring that we are in the faith. Will we be safe.....don't ever that that for granted.
The scary thing is, if I'm right, she would have us accept the anti-Christ. Or at least the falsely converted people would be fooled? Just my thoughts.
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Post by supergirl79 on Dec 29, 2006 17:13:35 GMT -5
Except, I am not so sure if a pre tribulation rapture is really Biblical! Again, on this one I have not made up my mind yet, but a rapture before the Tribulation would imply that Jesus is returning twice, but the Bible says He will return only once. We are actually to expect trials and tribulation...if the Apostles were not spared, why would we think that we would be spared? Are we (Christians) not still safe even if we did have to endure the tribulation? What happens to us here on this earth, doesn't really matter in regard to eternity! It is definitely a scary thought...I am sure hoping that there is a rapture before the Tribulation, but I am getting ready for a post tribulation rapture!
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Post by oap001 on Dec 29, 2006 17:18:03 GMT -5
I'm pre-trib...but sometimes I just don't know?? I guess my point was....will we be "just safe". I would say not on this earth. It's interesting to think about. Needless to say..I think it will be the anti-Christ that rises after WW3.
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Post by josh on Dec 30, 2006 1:17:02 GMT -5
How do we know this even 'happened' in 1968? Couldn't it be just a fraud made up this evangelist?
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Post by sean on Dec 30, 2006 1:19:28 GMT -5
How do we know this even 'happened' in 1968? Couldn't it be just a fraud made up this evangelist? Could be. Could not. No proof either way.
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Post by evanandliz on Dec 30, 2006 1:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Dec 30, 2006 8:24:05 GMT -5
This vision seems like the one David Wilkerson gave many years ago.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 30, 2006 16:04:17 GMT -5
Except, I am not so sure if a pre tribulation rapture is really Biblical! Again, on this one I have not made up my mind yet, but a rapture before the Tribulation would imply that Jesus is returning twice, but the Bible says He will return only once. We are actually to expect trials and tribulation...if the Apostles were not spared, why would we think that we would be spared? Are we (Christians) not still safe even if we did have to endure the tribulation? What happens to us here on this earth, doesn't really matter in regard to eternity! It is definitely a scary thought...I am sure hoping that there is a rapture before the Tribulation, but I am getting ready for a post tribulation rapture! My sentiments exactly.
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Post by Kerrigan on Dec 30, 2006 17:10:52 GMT -5
I'm mid trib ;D
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 30, 2006 18:16:12 GMT -5
After years of study on this subject, I believe in the JIC doctrine is the ONLY correct view which offers no compromise or confusion, while the pre, mid and post have holes in ALL of them...I'm a JIC Doctrinal Believer: Jesus Is Coming.
No matter when ANYTHING happens I know that my Covenant God will see me through it all by His Grace! Amen!
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Post by prophet on Dec 31, 2006 9:22:28 GMT -5
He is coming back soon!
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 1, 2007 21:50:31 GMT -5
I'm post-millenial. I believe all power is given to Jesus on heaven and earth. Matt 28:18 And He rules now.
I think the last days were when the Bible says they were. Acts 2:17 Heb. 1:2 And Matt.24 was fulfilled in 70 A.D.
And the Thessalonians verses mostly used as rapture proof seems to be Secong-Coming verses to me. Just a few thoughts.
Brobreaud
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Post by josh on Jan 1, 2007 22:18:38 GMT -5
I'm post-millenial. I believe all power is given to Jesus on heaven and earth. Matt 28:18 And He rules now. I think the last days were when the Bible says they were. Acts 2:17 Heb. 1:2 And Matt.24 was fulfilled in 70 A.D. And the Thessalonians verses mostly used as rapture proof seems to be Secong-Coming verses to me. Just a few thoughts. Brobreaud So are you full preterist in theology? There aren't many post mil people left running around the majority are amil or premil. Also since you said that Matthew 24 was fullfilled in AD 70 do you think verses 30 - 31 was also completed at that time?
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Post by lightbestower on Jan 2, 2007 9:51:54 GMT -5
See the light and the signs. He is coming back soon!
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Post by messenger on Jan 3, 2007 17:23:48 GMT -5
Preach on. Shout it like a roaring lion.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 13, 2007 15:47:38 GMT -5
I am post-millenial.
He may not be coming soon.
Brobreaud
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Post by mahatma on Jan 15, 2007 15:36:07 GMT -5
I just want to say that I think it's completely awesome that this thread is in the Upcoming Events section. Genius.
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Post by brobreaud on Jan 19, 2007 0:29:13 GMT -5
Partial-preterist. I don't think we are post-second coming! He's coming back!
"Coming in the clouds" denotes judgment. See Isa. Zech. Eze. Sorry, I'm travelling and don't have the specific references right now.
Also, "the sun darkened and the moon not give her light" is prophetic language for calamities on earth.
"The elect"? Isaiah says, "Israel mine elect...who never knew Me..." No one ever speaks of the elect who went to hell. Carcasses in the wilderness...
Even though, Matt. 24:31 IS a hard one to answer...
If the elect then were the Christians IN JUDEA that fled TO THE MOUNTAINS to Pella, were the angels, the messengers that protected them?? I don't know...
Unanswered questions on both sides, just post-millenialism makes more sense to me. I know I am in the minority. It's good to challenge each other.
Brobreaud
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