1611isperfect
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Publick preaching in Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 140
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Post by 1611isperfect on Jan 9, 2007 17:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jan 9, 2007 19:19:14 GMT -5
Great website!
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Post by oap001 on Jan 10, 2007 19:46:47 GMT -5
It is a great website!! I don't agree with everything on it..but it is cool.
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Post by tonyholland on Jan 10, 2007 20:31:04 GMT -5
Oh come on, you have to think this place is like Disney World. ;D There may be a few good things on the site, but most of it is just nonsense. I loved this HAHAHAHAHA. Though we Oklahomans may still think it is satanic, what you see here is nothing but a common hand sign supporting the Texas Longhorns. The site would be funny if not for the fact that non-believers may stumble across it and think all Christians buy into this garbage.
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Post by oap001 on Jan 10, 2007 20:38:38 GMT -5
I think it's a cool site....I know you would rather have one with Santa on it.....but this one is for Christians.
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Post by tonyholland on Jan 10, 2007 21:03:10 GMT -5
I have NO doubt about that. Well, those wishing to completley waste their time anyway. Hey PACP....the President is speaking tonight....better put on your ...... Hey may be using some kind of deadly illuminati mind control death ray on us
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Post by tbxi on Jan 10, 2007 21:15:15 GMT -5
Let's not get into the bickering over minimalistic issues, guys. It's been done and done over again, nothing good will come from belittling each other...
My opinion on the site is negative. I have been there and read much of the stuff, mostly back in the day when I was a new believer and had little understanding. I have problems with the Jack Hyles stuff, the conspiracy stuff, the KJVO stuff, the "Antichrist Slideshow" which is full of ridiculous historical embellishment and untruths - however good the intent (exposing Catholicism), the legalistic attitude towards alcohol, music, the "women can't wear pants" stuff... I could go on for a while, it's mostly stuff that's been debated here on the boards.
According to this website I don't read the Bible (I have a KJV but never read it).
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Post by oap001 on Jan 10, 2007 21:18:12 GMT -5
You are making it something that it is not because you don't agree with some of the things written there. During our last argument a few Christians wrote me and told me that they agreeded with what I had to say about the Illuminati and such. They will remain nameless....
I disagree with you about one very basic thing. That is that conversations regarding the end of the age (as displayed on this site) can be used to bring people to the Lord.
I work with people who drive around all night and listen to art bell and george norey. That is a whacked show and I don't listen to it. However, they talk about a "quickening". Meaning that world events are speeding up into some eventual cataclysm.
A lot of times they will ask me what the Bible says and we sit and talk about conspiratorial events. I have a great time of witnessing and it is profetable.....a lot of guys are a least thinking about the Biblical concepts.
And by the way you look ridicules in the picture.
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Post by tbxi on Jan 10, 2007 21:21:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure who you were directing that last post to.
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Post by oap001 on Jan 10, 2007 21:23:34 GMT -5
Let's not get into the bickering over minimalistic issues, guys. It's been done and done over again, nothing good will come from belittling each other... My opinion on the site is negative. I have been there and read much of the stuff, mostly back in the day when I was a new believer and had little understanding. I have problems with the Jack Hyles stuff, the conspiracy stuff, the KJVO stuff, the "Antichrist Slideshow" which is full of ridiculous historical embellishment and untruths - however good the intent (exposing Catholicism), the legalistic attitude towards alcohol, music, the "women can't wear pants" stuff... I could go on for a while, it's mostly stuff that's been debated here on the boards. According to this website I don't read the Bible (I have a KJV but never read it). Just for the record....I agree...Jack hyles annoys me.....I actually talked to the owner of the site once. He went to Hyles-Anderson University. I do like some of the other things though.
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Post by oap001 on Jan 10, 2007 21:24:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure who you were directing that last post to. I was talking to tony.
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Post by tonyholland on Jan 10, 2007 23:06:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure who you were directing that last post to. I was talking to tony. The picture was not of me, but we can agree on one thing.....he did look ridiculous. I'm not sure what Biblical concepts can come out of some of these fairy tales, but I will say this.....If it opens a door for you to witness, then I say, "Praise the Lord"
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Post by oap001 on Jan 11, 2007 1:04:54 GMT -5
It does help me witness...big time. These guys are into George Norey, William Cooper, Alex Jones. It's the cool "guy thing". Certainly, I don't believe a lot of these things. I do generally agree with the concept though. I have read all about the new age and new world order through Christian writers. When the "quickening" is talked about from a non-Christian perspective. I can add to the conversation from a Biblical stand point. It's all about understanding....
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Post by oap001 on Jan 11, 2007 1:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by tonyholland on Jan 11, 2007 18:16:24 GMT -5
Speaking of the first link "houofthetime". What of this do you and don't you believe? You often say that you don't believe a lot of the stuff that you put out here, but you need to be careful. If you put a link to a document with no further explanation, you are essentially endorsing the document as true and correct in it's entirety.
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Post by oap001 on Jan 11, 2007 20:53:02 GMT -5
Here is the thing:
1) I have never attempted to "convince" someone of a conspiracy to produce a one world order. I don't think it is profitable to do so. But since you are a skeptic....I thought..why not. 2) There are secularists and, for lack of a better term new agers who have very developed ideas about such. 3) There are also Christians who understand the concept and do so from a Biblical perspective. 4) Both views mirror each other.
William Cooper is a new age writer who wrote a book called behold a pale horse. A lot of things he talks about are really true. It's important to understand what he and people like him believe. If you were interested in taking up the topic in reading....that is why I posted it. In other words you would see that they are not crazy people.....there is something to it all.
From there you could branch off to other writers from a Christian perspective. Or vise versa.
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Post by euangelion on Jan 15, 2007 1:03:03 GMT -5
The site seems okay though I don't agree with everything on it but while glancing through the articles, something in particular caught my attention and I wanted to get opinions on it. The particular thing I have an issue with is in bold:
John 1:3 has a subtle, but detrimental change. The ASV reads, "All things were made through him..." The KJB reads, "All things were made by him..." It may not seem like a big deal unless you understand that the Jehovah Witnesses (and other false religions) don't believe that Jesus created the world in His own power. The Bible teaches that Jesus Christ is as omnipotent (powerful) as God the Father, for He is God the Father as well (Isaiah 9:6). Jesus needed no help to create the universe. All the power of the Holy Spirit belongs to Christ (John 3:34). So God didn't create anything "through" Jesus, but ALL THINGS were made "BY" Jesus (God).
Orthodox trinitarianism has always maintained that while God is one essence, He is three persons. And each of these persons is distinct from the others (i.e. the Father is not Jesus, Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, etc.). So does this site maintain unitarianism or perhaps "oneness" theology or is it just an oversight?
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Post by tbxi on Jan 15, 2007 1:21:11 GMT -5
I am going to guess it is probably an oversight.
The guy who runs that site may host some nutty stuff, but I don't think he is a heretic.
Those who claim to be Christians and are oneness (I'm not sure if they are Christians in the first place) are generally Pentecostals, right? If I'm not mistaken, the site is cessationist.
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