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Post by repentcanada on Jun 4, 2006 10:36:00 GMT -5
Joker, Guru, Jack of Spades - www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=41906204152I heard this message the other day - it's long (2 - 80 min CD's), but has alot of great information, has audios of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Hagin, and some others. It was sad to listen to and frustrating at times, but the truth is the truth and needs to be out there. There are alot of people who don't want this message to be out there. I would love to hear comments on what y'all think of this message. God bless, Ricky
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Post by messengermicah on Jun 4, 2006 10:55:50 GMT -5
I am very familiar with the Word of Faith as I was involved in it back in the early nineties. I did not listen to the message yet myself.
I don't consider Benny Hinn to be a part of the Word of Faith movement. I don't think people in the Word of Faith movement or Benny Hinn himself consider him to be in that movement. He does not preach Word of Faith doctrine, but gets along with Word of Faith preachers I suppose.
I do not like to lump Kenneth Hagin in with other Word of Faith teachers as he never taught on or emphasized the hyper prosperity message. He did teach that God would meet all of your needs which is true. I am not saying I agree with everything Hagin taught or more importantly did not teach, but I think we need to be fair and accurate if we are going to criticize someone.
He may be, but I would not go around flippantly saying that Kenneth Hagin is in hell.
I am by no means trying to defend the Word of Faith movement as I believe it's excesses have done much damage. They are soft on sin, short on sacrifice, and do not preach holiness. I agree with them on the way they teach healing.
That is my two cents.
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Post by jed on Jun 6, 2006 11:07:25 GMT -5
I wish I could listen to it. But i can't get sermons easily right now.
One thing that really bothers me: I have heard about some of the financial statements of these tv preachers. I wish I could actually document the sources. Some of their assets are mindboggling. If I told it, most would say I am making it up.
But I do not wish to post what I can't remember precisely. There was a website called ministry navigator, but now it doesn't exist! It showed a lot of ministries and their financial statement.
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 7, 2006 21:40:04 GMT -5
Kenneth Hagin is in fact in hell and no one anywhere can show any moment in time when Hagin believed the Gospel; he died, leaving behind him more trash than any other religious leader in Christendom.
"The Lord Himself taught me about prosperity. I never read about it in a book. I got it directly from heaven" (How God Taught Me About Prosperity, Tulsa: Faith Library, 1985)
If you will learn to follow that inward witness I (Jesus) will make you rich. I will guide you in all the affairs of life, financial as well as spiritual" (Hagin, How to Be Led by the Holy Spirit).
We (the church) are Christ. (Kenneth Hagin, As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
Christ's physical death on the cross was not enough to save us. (Kenneth Hagin, How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01)
Jesus tasted spiritual death. (Kenneth Hagin, How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01)
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 11, 2006 9:40:48 GMT -5
I agree with that, He had to rise again for our justification ;D
I know what he meant though.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 11, 2006 20:38:26 GMT -5
Biblethumper,
Yes, I have heard of this teaching as well.
"Pax Vobiscum"
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Post by christisking on Jun 15, 2006 22:02:19 GMT -5
You are right Ricky these are great messages and are very well done. I went and posted them on a message were there are quite a few who are into the Word Faith TBN thing. There are a lot of garbage sermons posted on this board so I go in post some Ravenhill, Yohannan, Kieth Green, Wilkerson, Conlon, Comfort, Reidhead etc. to sprinkle them with a little truth. Some others post some good messages, but there is a lot of false teaching. I catch some flack but I know the word is getting out. Here is a link to the thread were I posted these message you are talking about. Maybe some here would like to go and stick up for me or post some of your own favorite messages. www.christiandl.com/forum/index.php?topic=14916.0Patrick www.obeyjesus.net
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