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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 17, 2006 0:58:20 GMT -5
I just watched one of the most intense videos I have ever seen. It is a friend of mine, Patte Smith, who does outreaches at abortion clinics. She had a mother, who brought her daughter to the slaugher house to murder a baby, blow up in her face and even start quoting scripture! I can't describe this video. You just have to watch it. But I'm warning you, it's really heart breaking. www.gusseology.com/video/naomi.mpg
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Post by rickb on Jan 17, 2006 7:33:59 GMT -5
Very Sad what happened there,
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 17, 2006 10:46:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I watched this yesterday from a link she posted on GNN. It IS heartbreaking and just goes to show you how DECEIVED someone can be! It also gives you much respect for Patte and anyone else who goes to the abortuaries or death centers...they really get it given to them. They beg for the lives of the children and grandchildren of the people who are killing them. So sad...Have mercy on our country Oh God!
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Post by Rom on Jan 17, 2006 19:45:18 GMT -5
1-noticed how the lady said she had 'scripture' to support her way.
2-noticed how we didn't hear any scripture.
The problem is like this:
Are sins are very tangible to the human mind-- whether the person is very religous or not.
Once Sins get into our minds, they like to sit there, adjusting what you think in order to stay there for a very long time-- making themselves comfortable.
Jesus taught us how to think again-- be born again.
ANALOGY: We all know that a clean house isn't clean on it's own. There must be order and consistency in our houses-- in order to maintain that.
When you visit a clean house, you enjoy it and wish to come there again.
When you visit a dirty house, you tend to avoid it or advise the owner to clean it up, depending on the family occupying the house.
The house will maintain its clean feeling if the family are aware that they need to maintain a clean house in order have guest/family to keep on visiting them.....we need to clean periodically, keep it consistent (much different than a 'spring clean up')
Much like our selves, we might think we are great people, but if our souls are 'dirty', whos gonna really care about what we have to say.
Now you really know why our parents use to tell us: "Clean your Rooms!"
If I could guess any better, I bet that mom in the abortion video seems to love God, but won't tell her daughter to clean her room.
Hope my analogy makes sense. I just thought about it right now, because I was organizing my desk space while watching the video.
In Christ,
Rom
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 0:09:28 GMT -5
Wow. Go Mom. See? This is what we need more of in this world. People who are not afraid to stand up and protect themselves from your religious madness. What was your friend Patte doing anyway? Standing outside the health clinic to abuse poor women as they walked inside? Good grief... you people should be ashamed of yourselves. Haven't they suffered enough already? How can you call this kind of behavior "outreach?" This is not outreach, this is self-righteous condemnation and hate. Mother: "One of the things that God hates more than anything else is a religious.. RELIGIOUS.. person." YES! YES YES YES! Mother: "You ain't me, you ain't my skin color, you ain't black you don't know my situation! And you come up here with this pious... hypocritical..." P. Smith: "M'am I'm not the one doing that..." Yeah, okay. Whatever you say, Madam Pharisee. Mother: "In everything that you do, your most important respsonsibility is to LOVE FIRST." !!!! YES. Mother: "It's HER body and it's HER choice." Again, !!!! YES YES YES. Amen to that. I couldn't have said it better. That poor woman... as if having to go through something like that wasn't bad enough for she and her daughter already. As hateful as this may sound... I would LOVE for one of the women in this so called "outreach" program to be placed in the position of having an unplanned pregnancy, just to see if you would REALLY do any different. Somehow I highly doubt it. You talk the talk, but I have yet to see a single one of you walk the walk. You talk all high and mighty about God's love and compassion, but I have yet to see any one of you display the first once of love and compassion to your fellow man. All you do is denounce people as sinners and condemn them to Hell. Mother: "You have made mistakes in your life, and so have I, we all have." P. Smith: "Jesus didn't die for mistakes. He died for sins." Mother: "Call it what you want to, they are mistakes." *nods fervently* Some Guy in the background: "If it's her choice then what are you doing here?" Mother: "What am I doing here? I'm supporting my child. That IS love." EXACTLY. Whether she agrees with the choice her daughter has made or not, as a parent, as a mother, her responsibility to her child is to love and support her no matter what. This is the kind of unconditional love that every single one of you religious zealots on this board claims to understand, but apparently knows very little about. It doesn't show through in practice, that's for d**n sure. You say that Jesus loved us enough to die for us, but you are the first to cast a stone, the first to condemn, and the first to preach. I've tried to take part in a healthy debate with all of you over the course of the past three days, and it's been enlightening, interesting, as well as hysterically funny to see your responses at times, but to be totally honest, you all sicken me. I feel nauseous after watching that video. Also... 1-noticed how the lady said she had 'scripture' to support her way. 2-noticed how we didn't hear any scripture. No, she does. Near the end. "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." <-- that's the quote. Wtf. How are you going to equate spiritual well being with cleaning your room? You guys have cute little analogies and transformed words (abortuaries, evilution) for everything, but you have no real arguments that hold any water and you have no love for the people you are supposedly trying to help. You get up on a pedastal and start preaching rhetoric before you know the first thing about them. Look, I've done mission work myself before. If you want to get someone talking, and understand where they're coming from, if you want to show that you care about them (not just SAY it! that's not love!!) then here's what you do: I'm going to use abortion clinic mission work as an example, since that's what we're dealing with here, but the same methods can be applied in any situation. 1) Step one: Approach the individual in question in a friendly manner. Say, "Hello, how are you today?" (obviously not too well since they're at an abortion clinic, but whatever.) 2) Step two: Open up with small talk and amiable conversation. Hint! Don't use a chirpy or upbeat tone, whatever you do. Let your tombre of voice, as well as the words you choose display sincere love and compassion for the person you are engaging in conversation with. For example~ You: "Hi... Are you here to support a friend today? How is she doing?" Them: "Yeah... my roommate... she's... I'm sorry... who are you?" You: "Oh, excuse me. I'm from the local church. My name is [insert name here] *offer to shake hands* My friends and I are out here today just to support the women and let them know they are loved." Them: "You're.. from the church? But... aren't you going to preach to us and tell us we're wrong for being here?" You: "We're not here just to preach to you. I was just wondering, if it's okay, may I ask how your friend came to the decision to have an abortion? I'm not trying to pry or anything, it's just that we want to understand where you guys are coming from, so that we can help in any way you guys need us to." Them: "Oh... well, um... actually... well, I'm not sure she would really want me to tell you this, cause you're a stranger and all, but... she was raped about a month ago... I think she felt like it was her fault for leading him on... her boyfriend I mean... so she didn't tell anybody. I guess she thought everything would be okay..." You: "She didn't know she could use an emergancy contraception pill like Plan B?" Them: "No... I guess... she didn't know about it. They don't really tell you about that stuff in school, and her parents never told her... so she didn't know." You: "And so when she found out she was pregnant, she decided to come here?" Them: "Well, not right away... she came to me about it, 'cause she was too scared to tell her parents. But I told her that she should let them know... so we went and talked to them together, and they all decided this would be best." You: "And you're sure she's thought it through well enough to make this decision? I mean, many women who have had abortions later regret it because they didn't fully weigh their options at the time. This is such a huge decision, and such a painful one I'm sure, it's important that she be absolutely positive of this choice." Them: "Yeah. She's sure. She thought about it for a long time before deciding, and she saw a counselor about it." You: .... etc etc etc... Explain your beliefs about abortion, and that your faith teaches that all life is precious. Explain whatever you feel is important about the biblical teachings etc, but whatever you do, don't be patronizing or unfeeling in your dialogue. The key is to maintain a level of respect and courtesy when engaging in coversations with those you would minister to, while getting to know their personal situation so they don't feel like you're judging them before you even know them. And for crying out loud, leave you giant signs and posters at home. People do not respond well to that crap. Just be human and TALK to people. You would be amazed at how quickly they will be willing to open up and tell you their story. That's all I got.
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Post by valentine on Apr 10, 2006 0:22:47 GMT -5
Wow. Go Mom. ... to be totally honest, you all sicken me. I feel nauseous after watching that video. Ditto. On both counts. Abortion is a hard enough decision (and certainly such an ordeal to go through) without this totally unnecessary grief that you people are throwing on this woman, and others like her. I'm not even going to argue on this one, not right now, at least. I just want to make it known that I am disgusted with the abysmal behavior by the "preachers" in this video, and with all that condone it. Seriously. Who does that? I...need to go think about this for awhile. Thanks, Morluna.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 10, 2006 1:04:36 GMT -5
Um, this women was supporting her daughter. But the question is, what was she supporting her in? KILLING HER BABY!
You said a mother should love and support her child no matter what. Should a mother support her daughters drug habit if she has one? Should a mother support her daughters theft tendencies if she has some? No, none should support sin!
Christians need to: preach against murder outside abortion clinics, preach against drunkeness at bars, adultery outside pornography stores, and all the rest of the sins of our society. No sin is to be tolerated because God will punish all sin.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 1:10:21 GMT -5
Um, this women was supporting her daughter. But the question is, what was she supporting her in? KILLING HER BABY! You said a mother should love and support her child no matter what. Should a mother support her daughters drug habit if she has one? Should a mother support her daughters theft tendencies if she has some? No, none should support sin! Christians need to: preach against murder outside abortion clinics, preach against drunkeness at bars, adultery outside pornography stores, and all the rest of the sins of our society. No sin is to be tolerated because God will punish all sin. Heheh, you never cease to amuse my dear Jesse. :D Thanks for the fun times. You miss the fundamental meaning of love entirely... you believe that the mother should have abandoned her daughter and disowned her because of her decision? Oh that's VERY Christlike.
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Post by guest on Apr 10, 2006 15:16:21 GMT -5
the government needs to outlaw abortion and then charge abortionists who continue to do it with murder and sentence them to 25-life.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 15:41:46 GMT -5
... this message board never ceases to amaze.
I have absolutely nothing to say to that hate driven and coldhearted remark.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 10, 2006 16:23:32 GMT -5
It's loving society and loving unborn children to say that abortion should be outlawed. It is the judge who refuses to sentence murderers that does not love society nor the victim and it's the society that tolerates the murder of innocent children that is selfish and hateful rather then loving.
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 10, 2006 19:29:19 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]This is LOVE?[/shadow]
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 19:33:30 GMT -5
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You sick f**k.
Okay. You know what? If you have the right to post that sh*t, I have the right to resurrect the masturbation thread.
Prepare to be educated, zealots!!!!
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 10, 2006 19:50:44 GMT -5
I don't understand why you are so angry. This is what abortion is. If you are going to support it you should understand what actually happens.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 10, 2006 20:18:44 GMT -5
If it is merely a "fetus" that has no human value why would you look at that and say it was sick? If abortion truly is love, why wouldn't you rejoice at those pictures?
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 20:32:43 GMT -5
D:<
OMG. YOU A**HOLES.
She can post photos of mutilated fetuses, but you delete MY response post to hers, and THEN you delete my thread with diseased genitalia? Sure I was being a sarcastic b*tch. But what the f*uck ever man, what a double standard!!!! Those photos show what happens when poor children are subjected to unsanitary and cruel circumcisions to fit your biblical laws, and what happens to helplessly uneducated individuals who contract STIs and aren't given proper treatment. Those photos show the direct results of your ignorant practices and perpetuation of fear and miseducation about sexuality. How dare you delete them and allow her, FAR MORE OFFENSIVE PHOTOS, to remain?
THAT'S IT. I'M DONE PLAYING NICE WITH YOU PEOPLE.
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Post by hopefulheart on Apr 10, 2006 20:55:31 GMT -5
*sigh* I'm breaking my self-ban on distractions to repost to this because Morluna wanted me to see. Well, my two cents...
A friend asked me if I was Pro-Choice the other day as she invited me to a rally. I can't say yes to that, and I can't say no.
Psychological reasoning: Genetics and the personality trends that are theorized to be set within the first years of life (if not in the womb)... That brings us to the question of when does life begin? At conception? At birth? What about at the egg and sperm level?
Frankly, I don't know. There is no factual answer to that question. Even legally it depends on what law/crime you're referring to. But there's a big contradiction in the law that I won't go into...
I can't say yes to that because if it were me, I wouldn't abort. Absolutely not. To me, a baby in the womb is a life. It breaks my heart to see a child die more than anything else - there was no chance to live. They didn't have as much of a chance to appreciate life, to .. to... well, I guess you get my point.
I can't say no to that, though, because it's not me, nor is it even anyone I know. I don't like to evangelize... if you ask me, I'll share my information, or if you want to get to know me, that's a part of me. But to simply declare that I'm right and everyone must think like me... no.
*sighs again and gives it a lot of thought* Would I be there for, an example, my niece? If she asked me, yes. I love her with all my heart. Would I agree with her decision? No. But if she wants me there, then she'll hear my side.
Another reason I can't say no is I think a hypocriticism will quickly arise in declaring 100% "right to life." As I asked before, at what point does life begin? Something as simple as masterbation... or protection, or even astinence... To draw that line in the sand anywhere is to make a hypocrite of yourself, I think...
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 21:04:31 GMT -5
Heheh, so I guess you guys have just taken to deleting anything I say from this point on? Nice. That's nice. Well, whatever sweets.
I guess I'll leave you religious zealots to your fun now. It's been a nice couple of days. I've laughed a LOT, and reaffirmed my own beliefs through debate and being made to argue my points, as well as met some cool people (Trekker and Hopeful: You guys are awesome. ^_^)
Miles and Jesse, fess up already... everyone knows you two are gay together. Or at least you would be... if you weren't so sexually inhibited by fear and miseducation.
Enjoy your repression and homophobia!!! 'Cause no one else does! ;D
Peace and love, Morluna Direvrailian~ Speaker of the truth
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Post by Morluna on Apr 10, 2006 21:14:27 GMT -5
As a token of my affection, here's a goodbye present for you both. Enjoy!!! PEACE MOTHAFUCKAS!!!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 10, 2006 22:50:07 GMT -5
If you see abortion as good, and a fetus as worthless, why are those pictures offensive?
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 10, 2006 23:46:48 GMT -5
I cannot believe this! Pray for this man, I found this at a late term abortion clinic site... www.drtiller.com/chap.htmlMeet Our Chaplain George Gardner The Chaplaincy program is designed to bring spiritual resources to those who come to the Clinic for help and assistance. Spiritually, abortion is acceptable in ten of the world's religions and in Christianity many denominations affirm and uphold the right of a woman to make the choice of abortion. The Chaplaincy program works with people from all religious backgrounds as well as those who are not a part of a spiritual tradition. The program offers individual counseling, group counseling and the celebration of spiritual sacraments such as baptism of the still born fetus and blessings for the aborted fetus. The program works with many different religions and is prepared to do, or arrange for, religious services from any spiritual religion. The services of Women's Health Care Serves is a coordinated effort so that every patient and significant other can experience the healing of body, mind and spirit.
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 10, 2006 23:52:39 GMT -5
Never mind it is too late... www.operationsaveamerica.org/articles/articles/george-gardner-dies.htmThe �Reverend� George Gardner Dies in Wichita, KS(Tiller's Chaplain that would baptize babies as they were being aborted) George Gardner, the infamous Pastor of College Hill United Methodist Church, is now standing face to face with our Lord Jesus. �Reverend� Gardner is the one who would baptize little baby boys and girls as they were being aborted in George Tiller's mill. He was very sincere in his beliefs, but he was sincerely wrong. Now he is facing the consequences of his own arrogance and his presumptuous beliefs. George Gardner was a friend of mine. He knew me well. And I knew him. We have had several head to head confrontations beginning in 1991 until the last time we met in the summer of 2003. We have debated each other on television. I reminded him he was no more a Christian than he was a poached egg. I can remember stating that the backward collar he wore represented his backward and upside down theology. I reminded him that he had no standard upon which to present the Gospel and pointed him to the Bible as the standard of those who claim the name of Christ. George just laughed. The last time I saw him was at his church just outside of Wichita State University . He had been removed from the United Methodist Church he had pastored for so many years and was now spreading his heresy to the students at Wichita State. When we met, we chatted about ten minutes about his recent divorce and his trouble with his church. He told me that he left in good standing. I reminded him that though he may be a member of good standing in the United Methodist Church, he was not a member of good standing in the Church of Jesus Christ. When the Church service began, George had me come out front and ushered me out the door to the cheers and applause of those in attendance. It is my prayer that George in his final days repented of his heinous crimes against the Jesus he said he loved and the little baby boys and girls murdered in Tiller's abortion mill. It is certainly my prayer that George has repented, but if he did not, he is surely facing the fires of hell for the lies that he perpetrated and the lives he destroyed. Flip Benham Abbreviated web version of the obituary at www.legacy.com/Link.asp?Id=LS02741768XTwo near identical expanded obituaries appeared in the Wichita Eagle print edition for George T. Gardner. The first was published Sunday, October 24, 2004. The length should not discourage you in reading for an apparent mammoth Freudian slip appears along with two other ironic entries in the list of survivors. In reading this first obituary the true disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ is reminded that even in the death of this pitiful man so given over to evil, God is still sovereign and speaking today. That was Sunday. On Thursday, October 28, 2004 this exact same lengthy obituary was again published in the Eagle with the word careen changed to career. No explanation was given by the Eagle staff as to who or how this occurred. Careen is defined as "to cause to heel over; to sway from side to side; <a careening carriage being pulled wildly ... by a team of runaway horses-- J.P. Getty>." - Mirriam Websters Dictionary. Below is the original obituary for George Gardner as it appeared Sunday, October 24. Gardner, George T., age 69, Senior Minister for Unity Church of Wichita, died Thursday, October 21, 2004. Services are scheduled for 10:30 a.m., Saturday, October 30, 2004, at the Orpheum Theatre, with a reception scheduled from 1:30 to 4 p.m., at Botanica, the Wichita Gardens. Gardner graduated in 1957 from the University of Kansas , Lawrence, KS, with a B.A. in Sociology and Radio/Television. Following graduation in 1960, he attended the Perkins School of Theology at Southern Methodist University, Dallas, TX, where he earned a Masters of Divinity degree. In 2002, he earned his Doctor of Divinity degree from the University of Creation Spirituality, Oakland, CA. His careen began as associate minister at East Heights United Methodist Church from 1960 to 1962. He also served as senior minister for: Andover United Methodist Church, 1962 to 1966; West Heights United Methodist Church, 1966-1976; Flint Hills Parish including Cedar Vale, Granola and Wauneta United Methodist Churches, 1976-1979; First United Methodist Church of Winfield, 1979-1986; College Hill United Methodist Church, 1986-2002; and the Unity Church of Wichita, 2002-2004. He was well known in the 1960's and 70's as a local talk show host for �The Wallpaper Session� for then KLEO radio, as well as hosting numerous public affairs programs for KAKE-TV, both in Wichita. In addition, the Reverend Dr. Gardner was active in several social issues including civil rights, women's reproductive freedom, and post-polio syndrome. Additionally, Gardner was actively involved in local, regional and national politics. Survivors include his mother, Eula D. York of Minneapolis, KS; daughter, Rebecca L. Gardner and daughter-in-law, Susannah Carney of New York, NY; daughter Jennifer A. Love and grandson, Zachary T. Love, of Prairie Village, KS; fiancée, Shari Bevan, of Wichita, KS; and his beloved dog, �Phiffie�. Memorials have been established with the Unity Church of Wichita, 2160 N. Oliver, Wichita, KS, 67208; Craig Home Care, 624 E. Douglas, Wichita, KS, 67202; and ProKanDo. P.O. Box 8249, Wichita, KS 67208, www.prokando.org/contribute.htlm. Tributes may be sent to the family at Downing & Lahey Mortuary East at www.downingandlahey.com[ All text including typo, Freudian slip and the dog as survivor above is exactly as printed in the Wichita Eagle, Sunday, October 24, 2004. It should be noted that ProKanDo is George Tiller's Political Action Committee with which he finances far left pro-abortion, pro-sodomite and anti-Christian & anti-family candidates for local, state and federal office. What a deceptive and evil manner in which to solicit donations to a memorial. In life he profited financially off the blood of innocent children and grief of families. Now in death his demonic legacy continues - until the day when the Church wields the Sword of the Spirit and declares, "Enough!" King Jesus will reward every person according to their deeds whether good or evil without respect of persons. Mercy rests on the repentant but wrath will fall on the lawless and wicked. - SM ]
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Post by Morluna on Apr 11, 2006 5:32:05 GMT -5
If you see abortion as good, and a fetus as worthless, why are those pictures offensive? Agh! How many times must I tell you! Abortion is NOT good, but it is also not a condemnable offense! For Christ's sake, they're MUTILATED FETUSES! Do I REALLY have to explain why that's offensive? You are disgusting. Additionally, I would like to point out that most pro-choicers do not agree with abortions performed after the 1st trimester. I personally don't. I think if you're going to do it, it needs to be done VERY early in the pregnancy, and preferably before surgical abortion is even necessary. Chemical abortion is the best route if it has to be done. I can't see any reason for waiting any longer to do it, other than the fact that most states have such strict regulations on it that they force patients to wait longer. It's generally not a personal choice on their part to wait. I have to say if it were me, I'd want it over and done with as soon as possible, and I think most women would agree with me... PS: I must have lied. Obviously I'm not leaving. I can't resist the urge to keep coming back and respond to your insanity.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 11, 2006 9:15:47 GMT -5
If a pregnant women is beat up, and the fetus is killed, the attacker is charged with murder.
I saw in the newspaper recently that a women was charged with murder because she was snorting cocaine while pregnant and it resulted in the death of her fetus.
Why won't our government be consistent and charge anyone who murders an unborn baby with murder??
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Post by victorialewis on Apr 11, 2006 11:31:37 GMT -5
Heavenly Father, I ask that You would bring down heavy conviction upon all those who are full of malice, unwholesome speech, and who have no reverent fear of You. Please, Father, remove the veil from their hearts and minds, and show Yourself strong in their lives....in the precious name of Jesus, and for Your glory alone. Amen
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Post by Morluna on Apr 11, 2006 12:22:36 GMT -5
Heavenly Father, I ask that You would bring down heavy conviction upon all those who are full of malice, unwholesome speech, and who have no reverent fear of You. Please, Father, remove the veil from their hearts and minds, and show Yourself strong in their lives....in the precious name of Jesus, and for Your glory alone. Amen Yes Father, please be everyone on this forum who struggles to understand basic human dignity... particularly those who would be so low down and disgusting as to post photos of human fetuses for us all to look at.
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 11, 2006 14:25:44 GMT -5
I still don't understand why you are so upset. It is acceptable to show videos of Holocaust victims being bulldozed into mass graves and people are entertained by movies depicting gruesome murders. Why is it okay to show those kinds of dead bodies but the moment that someone shows a picture exposing the reality of abortion they are considered sick? That is censorship! America censors the gruesome reality of baby murdering because if people knew what actually happened to their child they would be disgusted and abortion would be exposed for the cold blooded murder that it is!
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Post by meghann on Apr 11, 2006 18:55:59 GMT -5
Wow, that woman's message was beautiful.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 12, 2006 10:23:42 GMT -5
I still don't understand why you are so upset. It is acceptable to show videos of Holocaust victims being bulldozed into mass graves and people are entertained by movies depicting gruesome murders. Why is it okay to show those kinds of dead bodies but the moment that someone shows a picture exposing the reality of abortion they are considered sick? That is censorship! America censors the gruesome reality of baby murdering because if people knew what actually happened to their child they would be disgusted and abortion would be exposed for the cold blooded murder that it is! I do not object to educating the public about the realities of abortion, and I am quite certain that anyone considering having one is required to go through serious counseling beforehand and is made fully aware of what is to be done. This is standard medical procedure for any kind of operation, being it open heart surgery, tumor removal, or what have you. The doctor is required to inform the patient about the procedure so that the patient can give full consent in firm mind. So if you think by posting such photos you are showing would be abortion patients something they would not see and be aware of prior to going through with the operation, you are wrong. What I most object to however, is the manner in which you chose to address those photos. You posted a simple "in your face" line that read, "Is this LOVE?" and slapped the photos on the screen in a heartless and callous manner. You obviously were only using the photos as ammunition to fuel an argument and not as an expression of sadness or sympathy for the situation or the people involved. I keep seeing a trend among all of you fundamentalists on this board. You don't really care about people at all. What you do care about are ideals and images of goodliness, godliness, and morality. You have all these ideas and philosophies about what you think (or rather, what God thinks, according to you) is right, and you're going to stick to that, even if it hurts your fellow human beings sorely. You don't care if you hurt people. You've all said as much yourselves! I believe I'm paraphrasing a recent quote by Miles when I say this: "It doesn't matter to us if people are offended or insulted by our message." See? You don't care if people are offended or insulted. Offenses and insults are hurtful! Very much so! You claim that people are offended and insulted by your message because they know that you are right and they feel guilt because of that. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe this is not the case, but that people are offended because you are being cruel and remorseless in the manner you conduct yourselves? No one wants to be shouted at, "You're wrong!!! Fix your life now!!!" This is not an effective way of helping a person much less correcting them in an error. If we assume for a moment, and this is a big assumption obviously for me personally, but let us assume that you are completely and totally right. Let us assume, that in fact, your Bible IS the infallible Word of God. To include the atheists and agnostics among us, let us first of all assume that there IS a God, and that he is omnipotent and omniscient, AND that He has given this Bible to us and it is the infallible Word of God. In addition, let us all assume that the distinct way that you interpret said Word is correct. Entirely. No other interpretation is possible. Your message is, to be clear, PERFECT. Now then. If all of this is true, and you are completely in the right, and I am completely in the wrong, and you employ your current manner of correcting those in error, you are STILL going about it in a horribly wrong manner. I realize I've used educational illustrations to make my points before, but this is because that's what I know. It's the profession I'm going into. So here's a lesson, straight from EDFS 330, in which I am now enrolled. When a student performs in a manner less than acceptable on an assignment, or misbehaves in class, or is disrespectful to the teacher, or exhibits any other type of innapropriate behavior in class, there is an effective way to correct the student and set him/her on the path to future success, and there is an ineffective way. The effective way is to approach the student privately, so as to avoid him/her unnecessary discomfort at being called out before the class, and address the behavior in a candid manner. Express concern for the student and show that you are sincere in wanting them to succeed. Allow them to share their story if you will, and let you know if there are problems at home, etc, or whatever personally is going on in their life that may be contributing to the issue. Then, once you know more about the student's personal dilemma, you can advise them on how to improve their classroom performance and behavior. But the most important thing to do is to show respect and love for the student while helping them to improve, rather than simply telling them that they are being bad and have to stop. You have not done this once. I have not felt respected or appreciated since I arrived, and you've never asked me to tell my personal story. I have, by my own volition, but not because you asked. And in fact on some occasions you deleted posts in which I shared my personal story because you found them offensive. Guess that's what I get for being honest and straightforward, something you guys seem to know little about. As to the comment made in the quote suggesting that displaying photos of Holocaust victims would be acceptable, you are out of your mind. Do you REALLY think that? If you had posted photos of an open mass grave in Auschwitz Berkenau and said, "See? This is what happens to heathen Jews." I rather miss seeing how that would be acceptable. UTTERLY REVOLTING AND HORRIFIC is more like it. Also, making the generalization that all of society enjoys gory movies is rather unfair of you. You don't know me. I don't like that kind of entertainment. Personally I prefer documentaries. But I'm sharing personal info again, and you've already shown that you don't care to get to know me, so why bother?
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Post by valentine on Apr 12, 2006 10:34:50 GMT -5
Ironically, ejuliot, when Morluna first told me what you had done, my reaction was, "It wouldn't be acceptable to post pictures of Holocaust victims in such a manner--why does she think she can do this?" And then I see that you'd actually argued that such a thing would be acceptable. I do not know you, so I will not make massive assumptions about you (even if you have done so with me in the past). But your posts are sick. Your attitude behind posting these photos is irreverent, flippant, and dismissive. And that communicates to me that there is something seriously wrong with you. This is the sort of behavior that I would expect to see from one with an antisocial personality, to be quite honest.
As usual, I fully concur with Morluna. If you think that either one of us actually thinks that abortion is a good and preferable practice, I don't even know what to say to you.
I cannot fix this. It's beyond my ability as a student. You all need professional help.
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