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Post by biblethumper on Apr 22, 2006 20:33:04 GMT -5
I've created two short films for our ministry which have recently been released on-site and in-community. Please note that there are only a handful of us involved here, so our funds our definately limited...if ya download, please PASS ON and DO NOT DELETE as our site is limited in resources as everything we post and produce tangibly (cd's, dvd's etc etc) is 100% free. Enjoy these, but keep 'em! lol 1- Abortion Exposed.... very intense, very powerful; but also very bloodly....caution is advised: setup.finalweb.net/home/1764/1764/audio/Abortion%20Exposed.wmv2- Hope For The Homosexual...not your typical "gay bashing" documentary....I wanted to "expose" the homosexual agenda, etc etc, and then the Lord had me totally turn from that idea and He gave me a message of Hope...and hence, this short film, meant FOR homosexuals. setup.finalweb.net/home/1764/1764/audio/Hope%20For%20The%20Homosexual.wmv
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lancejgoz
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Post by lancejgoz on Apr 29, 2006 1:59:19 GMT -5
Okay... I watched your Hope for the Homosexual video and I am glad to see you didn't stoop to the level of condemnation. I give you a plus for attempting to do your homework in debunking and supporting your view point on the issue. I must say it's a nice attemp. however, your truly give away your distain for the homosexual lifestyle through the use of the superfast pixilated fade in and outs of the barely noticable "queer" images.
I have many friends who are gay and my father if as well. Now, I have heard of ex-gay ministries and in the mid to late 80's they used shock treatment and heterosexual porn in some of the ministries to convert a man back to heterosexuality. Which I find to be morally wrong regardless of any particual view on the issue.
Personally, I think the church and it's faithfull have the right to think anyway they wish on the subject or any subject for that matter. However, so do non-christian and non-religious people have the same right. And yes, there is a difference between a christian and a religous person. America is a religous country not exactly a Christian one although it does contain many aspects of Christianity. But that is neither here nor their. Back to the topic of homosexuality or as I called it LGBT issues and how they enteract with Religion particularly Christianity.
Some people point out Leviticus, others the story of Sodom & Gommora, and some even point to Romans. However, I beg anybody to re-read that verse again using King James or an earlier bible which has not be altered such as New International Version.
The last time I read Genesis 19: 1- 13 which is the imfamous Sodom & Gommora story which ever Anti-Gay Christian loves to quote.
First, nowhere in Genesis do the words Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, or Homosexual appear.
Second, Lot offers his daughters to the towns people leaving a possible reason for God's wrath to be because of Lots actions.
Third, Carnally as defined by Webster's Dictionary is a form of the word Carnal which is an adj. defined as: to the body; not spirtual. However, the word Carnally appears in the New King James Version whereas the word sex is used as a replacement in the New International Version which only proves another point that the bible has been altered by man possibly ordered by the church giving non-christians even more fire to argue against the presence of God.
Fourth, however this is a not really linked to the homosexual issue.... The purpose in the New Testament of the Bible was to free the world of the old rules. What that means is anything in the old testament isn't considered law of the land today, how this applys to homosexuality if indeed a person were to reference Genesis 19 is that things such as a christian not eating pork for it is considered unclean which is referenced in Leviticus 11:4
Howeve, another angle which to look at the idea of queer Christians is that of those who know they are LGBT however choose not to act on the impulse... which there are many individuals who are of that particular class. (Which are almost always those who attend X-gay ministries.)
For me personally, I think God would rather have people believe in him. Call me stupid if you wish however, I would rather be myself and deal with Gods judgement then deal with mans judgement which from my viewpoint the church has gone very far from Gods teaching much like it did when it condoned slavery as well as the denial of rights to women and blacks during the civil rights movements.
As for X-gay ministries... hmmm there is a running theory that Gay men who go to X-gay ministries who become straight weren't actually gay in the first place. Which sadly for both sides of the argument this theory has yet to be confirmed or denied by either camp.
However, all things aside... it's a nice try with the video it appears you used an editing program maybe Windows Movie Maker... anyway... good luck and I hope your video does what God wants it to do..
As for myself... I am Presbyterian which is just another denomination of Christianity which is derived from Calvinistic teachings which basically states that life is already planed and the choiced we make are illusions to us but God knows all knew from before we were born that we would choose the choices that we make within our lives.
Jeremy L. Gosnell
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Post by valentine on Apr 29, 2006 9:01:44 GMT -5
Hi, Lancejgoz! I'm glad you decided to check this out. We should always try to be tolerant of people and their opinions. I'd like to link you to a discussion about Biblethumper's video that I think will clarify exactly how much credibility he has. I am putting this here both for you and for all others who might stumble across this video so that they will know the true, scientific facts and not the misrepresentation that has been presented here. Exhibit A: openairoutreach.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1144003048&page=6 It continues onto the seventh page as well. You will notice that rather than answer our points, he accuses us of using too much quoted information and brags about his seven degrees. I'm also posting this so people will know that Biblethumper has attempted to dodge the bullet on our arguments, backed out of debate and refused to respond. He even made a separate thread complaining about it! Exhibit B: openairoutreach.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=sayitall&action=display&thread=1145929279 If you peruse the World View Debating forum, you will also notice that Biblethumper continues to post there, and debate the same issue he was debating above, even after claiming in Exhibit B that he would no longer do this. People on this board tell me often about "the truth." I am also a big believer in truth. And the truth is that Biblethumper's video has absolutely no validity, which he has systematically proven himself by his unsound arguments, refusal to respond to counterpoints, and immature methods of handling debate.
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 29, 2006 12:14:22 GMT -5
Thank you Biblethumper for posting the truth.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Apr 30, 2006 22:57:38 GMT -5
If that is true I would agree, that is wrong and that is not a ministry at all. Those are definitely good verses, I have read and reread many times in KJV and other versions. That is cerainly not a sound argument, the words didn't exist. The Bible never has the word pedophile either. I don't believe rapist is in there either. But the the Bible condemns those things. Gen 19:8 says that he offered his daughters but it says nowhere that they actually went or that they the men took them. His daughters are still in the picture throughout the rest of the chapter. 19:5 says that the men of Sodom wanted to know the men who came into Lot's house. The same word used when Adam knew Eve and she conceived. If it was just getting to know someone, why would Lot in vs 7 tell them not to do wickedly and then offer his daughters sexually in place? You certainly took the word know in respect to his daughters as sexual. Gen 18:20 says Sodom's sin was grievous, it then goes on to talk about destroying the city, but not the righteous in the city. Have you checked a Webster's 1828 dictionary? Carnal also talks about sensual, lustful, unregenerate, fleshly, given to sensual indulgance. When Leviticus talks about laying carnally as with a woman... it means sexually. Really? Matthew 5 Jesus says that he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Do you have some scripture back that up? Romans 6 talks all about how we are not to continue in sin. 1 John 3 says sin is transgression of the law. So anything from the old testament that is repeated in the new really doesn't mean anything? Well in order to be Christian one would have to deny himself and deny the temptation. If one is not of that particular class he is not a Christian. 2 John 2:9, Galations 5:19-24, Titus 2:11,12, 1 John 3:5-10... I hardly have to open the book to defend this one. 1 Cor 6:11 says that such WERE some of you. A person may have been a homosexual before coming to Christ, but they would be one no longer, evn if there were still temptation. That is your personal opinion. Is that God's opinion? God does say to beieve in him and not only in him but to also believe him... that means obey him if you believe him. John 14 Jesus says, "If you love me keep my commandments". You can be yourself you will deal with God's judgment. You know even in Genesis 19 the sodomites accused Lot of judging. The devil is still using the same lie today. The church building is not the church... the true Christians make up the body. This issue is hardly the same as civil rights. They want extra rights. It is not a preference, it is a perversion. By not actually gay you mean...? Not really having homosexual sex? They had a choice like everyone does to sin. You might not choose the temptation, but you do choose which temptation to obey. Well Calvinism may be your excuse but it won't stand on your day in court. Matthew 25:24-30 www.sbministries.org is the site of a former homosexual who is now married with children. He used to believe the lie that he born that way but the Gospel of Jesus Christ set him free from sin. A message from anyone who says "Yea hath God said?" is from of the devil. To try to say that homo sex is not condemned from Genesis to the maps is either complete ignorance or is of the devil himself. Be not deceived, the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God... 1 Cor 6:9
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Post by biblethumper on May 2, 2006 9:39:58 GMT -5
The use of the "gay" images, Lance, is not to show "disdain" for homosexuals.... if that were the case, then the use of the Jesus images in the video would be for the same intent, which is faulty.
The very reason I used those images so quickly in the video is because, though the video itself does not say it, the images of of homosexuals in MY city....
Those images are images I received from a homosexual himself, and a few from the Net.
I wanted to to not only create the video for all homosexuals to view, but I also wanted to make it personal for those in my city.
Also, thank you for acknowledgeing the fact that the video doesn't condemn.
You're correct.
However, I initially was going to expose the homosexual agenda...thus it would have been a "about gays" video rather than a "for gays" video.
Why the change in initial plan?
As I started the creation of it, it was as though the Spirit of God had lead me to offer HOPE to the homosexual *thus the name OF the video* rather than a bashing.
So, it was really Spirit of God led.
See?
God offers hope.
Also, I have NO PROBLEM offering to anyone hope.
If hope is there, it's hope we should give, along with the entirety of the Message of Repentance; they go together.
Period.
Sometimes I'm aware that I offer condemnation, which is certainly Biblicla, if presented in a Biblical manner.
The Biblical Manner is to offer Hope with that condemnation.
A wise friend once said this to me:
If your favorite food dish was presented on a garbage bin cover you wouldn;t take it, would you?
Of course I said no.
Then he preceeded to show me that sometimes the "plate" which we present is so flawed that no one wants the actual food on that plate.
I believe there is a balance and to offer no hope and only hell fire is just as sinful as offering heaven with no hell.
Jesus says, "Your sins are forgiven.... go and sin NO MORE"
He says that to the repentant.
To the non repentant He says, "You are of your father, the devil"
He offers those ones no hope.
So I see a balance.
That's the Gospel.
You want God?
You want to come clean?
Go, sin no more.
You hate God?
You want to continue in sin?
You are of your father, the devil.
Anyway....
Miles, good statement on Hyper Calvinism.
Anyone believing that trash (hyper Calvinism I refer to) is as lost as the devil himself.
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Post by Morluna on May 2, 2006 10:01:29 GMT -5
Hi.
I'm Biblethumper.
I like to type less than
ten words on
every line so that it
appears that I'm
saying more than I actually am.
That way I look smart
but I'm not really.
I'm really a small-minded bigot
that enjoys using the same
argument over and over and over
and over and over
again just to be annoying.
I don't expect anyone will actually
"get saved" or change their stance
on account of my idiocy but at least
it makes me feel better about
myself and my connection to "God."
REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by biblethumper on May 10, 2006 21:06:11 GMT -5
Awe... you caught me!
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Post by cervyy on May 10, 2006 23:09:41 GMT -5
those videos are kinda pathetic ... it's just text in a video ... shouldn't video have ... video?
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Post by biblethumper on May 11, 2006 16:20:05 GMT -5
Darn it! You caught me AGAIN! I'm sorry it wasn't to your liking Boo hoo... FYI: I would have create dit "video" yet it was impossible to walk into my city' slocal gay bar and shoot on-site. Yes, the photos there are of homosexuals in MY city, hence the reason i create dit as such. As for the abortion presentation, I WANTED it to be as it is, slides only, as having an aborted child stuck in your face with corresponding stats is much more effective than a shot here and ashot there and a bunch of docs and experts chatting about it. I thought the actual children wanted to make a statement to the effect. It's had a wonderful response so far Again, sorry you didn't like it; when part 2 come sout for both, we've planned on including both still image and video footage. As it stands now, regardless of the format, it's had powerful effect and HAS seen changes in views. THAT is the target. Not HOW it's made. Blah Blah. I'm a Bigot. A Big Bad Bigot.
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Post by cervyy on May 11, 2006 18:45:30 GMT -5
okay, if part 2 has video, then I can't complain ... about the package as a whole.
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Post by wkufan on May 13, 2006 2:04:53 GMT -5
I agree. That's trying to "cleanse" sin with sin. How silly.
Agree with this proposition, especially regarding differences in non-christian and christian people. However, regardless of what people have a right to believe does not necessarily mean their belief is the reality. God hates sin. He makes this so clear. I have a right to believe that God really doesn't mean it. But that won't change the reality of His judgement.
These places were incredibly wicked. They were destroyed because of their sins, not exclusively only homosexuality. Homosexuality was a sin judgement, but so was fornication, theft, murder, etc. God hates sin and will judge those who partake in sin.
No, you're right. They're relatively new terms. Especially the term "Gay". I'm guessing the word "lesbian" is the oldest word. Probably came from the Greeks, related to the Island of Saphos (or whatever it was called). Not sure it was a commonly used term when the Scriptures were written. The Scriptures tell us that in the last days "people will be going to and fro". Which implies fast and mass transit. There's no words like car, plane or train in the Bible either--but we know this is how it's done, because we live in the time frame.
Yes, there are things that don't apply in today's world. But there's many that do. God hasn't changed on His position on sin. This position on sin is reflected in the New Testament:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Even the demons believe in God and Jesus. Says so in the Scriptures. What's key is complying with His directions and commands.
Homosexuality is a sin of the flesh. Not really any different than fornication, etc. The penalty is judgement and a sentence in Hell. I don't believe that homosexuality is any different condition tthan any other lustful desire of the flesh. If they become straight and still engage in fornication, they've not achieved anything in the way of salvation.
Interesting thoughts, Lancejgoz. Thanks for posting them.
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