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Post by sean on Mar 10, 2008 19:48:10 GMT -5
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mattmahar
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`Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.' John 5:14
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 10, 2008 20:11:10 GMT -5
Poor guy Too bad he didn't study Romans 9 for what it really means.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 10, 2008 20:56:13 GMT -5
I LOVE God's Sovereignty. It's too bad Calvinists don't understand God's Sovereignty and just straw man the "free-willers" to death...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 10, 2008 23:32:50 GMT -5
I thought that Jed Smock defined Sovereignty great. He said that Sovereignty is not that God is the ultimate cause of all things, but that God is the ultimate authority of all things.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 11, 2008 8:41:28 GMT -5
I thought that Jed Smock defined Sovereignty great. He said that Sovereignty is not that God is the ultimate cause of all things, but that God is the ultimate authority of all things. I would agree with that!
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Post by joeldad on Mar 11, 2008 10:02:00 GMT -5
Sovereignty is not that God is the ultimate cause of all things, but that God is the ultimate authority of all things. Wow. What a concise and great definition. Thanks! I find that people always infer "sovereignty" to mean "control", instead of "authority." I am the sovereign of my own small family, yet I am not in "control" of the actions of my wife and child.
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Post by debonnaire on Mar 11, 2008 14:14:35 GMT -5
Not only God is sovereign , but He is also in control of all things.
That does not mean He controls every of our actions , but He is in control nevertheless.
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Post by joeldad on Mar 11, 2008 15:02:07 GMT -5
That does not mean He controls every of our actions , but He is in control nevertheless. This sounds contradictory. Can you please explain what you mean more clearly?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 11, 2008 15:16:14 GMT -5
Is God in control or not in control? I would say both.
God is in control in that God gave us our very existence and He could take us out at any moment if He wanted to. God gave us our free will and could take it away at any moment if He wanted to. God upholds the entire universe moment by moment.
God is not in control in that God does not cause everything that comes to pass. God gave us a free will which makes us our own self-cause regarding our moral actions. Moral agents have the power of self-causation or self-determination. God does not cause rapes, murderers, molestations, genocides, etc. The wicked hearts of men cause those things. God doesn't want us to sin, but He does want us to have a free will. So God does not take away our free will so that all men still have the chance or opportunity to submit and obey. The only reason that God doesn't take away the free will of all men is because God hopes that we will choose to love Him and choose to love each other. The possibility that men will use their free wills rightly in the future far outweighs the tragedy of men using their free wills for sin right now. So it's God's will that we have a free will but it's not God's will that we use our free will for sin and disobedience.
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Post by debonnaire on Mar 12, 2008 8:11:00 GMT -5
That does not mean He controls every of our actions , but He is in control nevertheless. This sounds contradictory. Can you please explain what you mean more clearly? If God was not in control , mankind would not even exist anymore today. The devil can not go farther than a certain line. It is of course especially true of the disciples , who are in the hand of the Father and in the hand of the Son (Jn 10)
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