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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 11, 2006 0:25:01 GMT -5
Great book by John Bevere. He doesn't pull any punches and he speaks plainly on truths of scripture. He explains conditional security beautifully. This is not some dry theology book. It is just a nugget of gold that should encourage just about anyone in their walk with Jesus.
Miles
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Post by Doc H on Dec 11, 2006 22:52:17 GMT -5
John Bevere belongs to the the Hillsong/No Gospel/Happy clappy brigade.
I would stay clear of him.
You are talking about the American John Bevere aren't you?
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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 12, 2006 15:41:44 GMT -5
Yeah, he's American. He actually goes to Ted Haggard's (well, what used to be his) church.
I don't know if we are talking about the same John Bevere or not, but this guy most definitely does not preach some happy clappy gospel. So far so good for me.
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Post by sjn on Dec 12, 2006 20:42:16 GMT -5
I agree with Miles here. John Bevere has written a book on the Fear of the Lord that is excellent. You won't see to many "cream puff pie preachers " talking about the Fear of the Lord
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 12, 2006 20:52:58 GMT -5
From what Miles read out loud it seemed great.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 13, 2006 0:17:47 GMT -5
This book has actually started almost a revival in my friend and his church in Alaska.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 14, 2006 10:37:29 GMT -5
I have been following John Bevere's ministry closely since about 1995. He has definitely written some excellent books and I was blessed and challenged in reading them and listening to his messages over the years. I used to contribute to his ministry on a regular basis and bought many of his audio tapes and several videos.
However, I have noticed a trend in more recent years of his. He doesn't seem to be on the cutting edge as he once was. I could be wrong, but this is my observation.
I think Doc H makes a good point, in that it bothers me he is able to be so closely connected with many in the "fluffy gospel" crowd. This does not mean he preaches a fluffy message himself, however this sort of thing always bothers me. It is hard for me to accept someone's ministry who is accepted by TBN.
My wife and I are also concerned with the way his wife was dressed in the magazine articles he would send us. Definitely not modest and not the way a Christian woman should dress.
I am not saying John Bevere is not of the Lord or that his recent books are not messages from the Lord. I have not followed his ministry all that closely as I used to due to some of these observations.
I think it is difficult for these guys to maintain the cutting edge once they become popular and accepted in much of mainstream Christianity.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 18, 2006 18:55:51 GMT -5
By the way, Ted Haggard was John Bevere's pastor.
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Post by VegasDoug on Dec 29, 2006 11:09:21 GMT -5
The things that you may see now should not overshadow what that book says. I must say that Driven by Eternity appears to be Biblically sound. It shows scripturally the narrow gate and path. There are so many who will probably read this book and deny it because it doesn't give a lovey dovey feel good message, but instead shows the consequences of the lack of salvation or walking away from the plow. I would also recommend it even though my word means little since I'm not a Biblical scholar.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 22, 2007 19:48:14 GMT -5
I understand the concerns. We're not wild about using multiple translations, but to counteract that, Sherm or I read from the KJV any Scripture that is from another translation. (you know us, we're not KJV only, but we only use KJV). I wouldn't want it to detract from the content of the book, however.
This book, regardless of where John Bevere stands now, is a gem. In fact, I begged Miles to leave it at home when he left because I began it and couldn't put it down. I've ordered another copy off Amazon, and this morning prayed that the Lord would allow us to have 8 more copies in order to pass them out to friends and family. So far I have a list of about 20 people to whom I would give this book.
It is very convicting, and has just driven home with a sledgehammer how important it is what we do with the short time we're given here on earth.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 23, 2007 9:14:46 GMT -5
Okay, I did look up some things on John Bevere and his wife. I'm sad to report that it indeed appears that he is yoked to Hillsong ministries, at least by speaking at several of their events. His wife's book for women is unfortunately promoted with buzz words such as 'power' 'fight' and 'life-enhancing'. Hardly Titus 2 or Proverbs 31 reflecting....
Can we glean from Driven? I absolutely believe so. But I would not be quick to direct people to their ministry without giving out some cautions.
Argghhh....(a sound of frustration)
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 23, 2007 17:24:51 GMT -5
victorialewis,
I understand and that is about how I feel.
One thing we really had a problem with is the clothes Lisa is wearing in the pictures sent out in their monthly newsletter.
We sent them a letter about this matter and have not heard a response.
For a long time I read every book John Bevere wrote, owmed all of his cassette tapes, several videos, and used to contribute monthly to his ministry, so I understand he reveals some great truths.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 23, 2007 21:37:44 GMT -5
This is the first I've heard of him, and I've been raving about the book to others. I'd even thought of suggesting it to our Pastor for a small group study after hearing about the revival in Alaska where God used this book.... At any rate, Sherm (my hubby) and I are reading the book together, so after he's done with it he can decide if we suggest it or not. (I get so enthusiastic about things sometimes; I praise God for my Mr. Steady!)
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Post by racward on Jan 23, 2007 21:39:47 GMT -5
what about bad street preachers who make good street preachers look bad?
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 23, 2007 21:42:15 GMT -5
hmmm If I go to a restaurant where the chef is bad, I usually don't swear off going to other restaurants.
Could you be more specific on how this relates to the topic? I'm kind of dense (just ask Shetani ;D)
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Post by racward on Jan 23, 2007 21:47:49 GMT -5
i was asking because if the food is bad at a restuarnt then i will go back a few more times to try the food again to see if anything changed.like street preachers who are bad i don't stop hearing the good ones either but i feel bad for the good ones because of the bad ones and how they make the gospel look
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jan 24, 2007 1:01:16 GMT -5
I went to the local christian bookstore today and saw this book on the shelf. I read the back of it and noticed that it was endorsed by Brian Houston. I flicked through it and noticed that he uses all the perversions - this put me off completely.
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Post by victorialewis on Jan 25, 2007 11:23:24 GMT -5
Jonathan, by "perversions" do you mean other Bible versions?
I know. However, can those who are grounded in the Word still be impacted by this message? Believe me, it is not fluff. In fact, it's an indictment of the Church today, not only unbelievers. It has certainly shaken me.
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Post by josh on Jan 30, 2007 0:50:16 GMT -5
endorsed by Brian Houston. If he endorsed it then I would be careful, since this is the same Brian that denies creation and preaches prosperity. Also its the same Brian that calls on Christians to preach the same gospel as pope John Paul. ummm Houstan we have a problem...
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Post by HDmatt on Apr 29, 2008 7:35:31 GMT -5
Read the book, puts abstract thoughts of eternity & accountability into concrete, sobering terms. Have let a lost friend borrow it, is affecting them immensely. Praise God for John Bevere.
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