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Post by Morluna on Apr 28, 2006 7:12:33 GMT -5
Hi Tara? If you're reading this, beware! These are some shifty Christians... I wouldn't get wrapped up in it if I were you.
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Post by valentine on Apr 28, 2006 9:58:06 GMT -5
Hi Tara? If you're reading this, beware! These are some shifty Christians... I wouldn't get wrapped up in it if I were you. Ditto. Shifty and lacking intelligence/education/information/guts. I'm not sure which is worse.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 28, 2006 15:11:45 GMT -5
Valentine.... you need to stop fighting the Truth of the Gospel and believe that lost people are doomed to hell and saved people are destined for Heaven. Repent. You too can come to Salvation! Biblethumper, THANK YOU! OMG! Your words were so persuasive, the reasoing so convincing, that I now realize that you are right. How could I have been so blind?
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Post by valentine on Apr 28, 2006 15:42:08 GMT -5
Valentine.... you need to stop fighting the Truth of the Gospel and believe that lost people are doomed to hell and saved people are destined for Heaven. Repent. You too can come to Salvation! At least I don't make a sore loser thread explaining why I'm not going to respond in a debate. Yep. I love believing that good people who I love are going to go to hell. Sounds great! You sure convinced me!
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Post by lizlovesjesus on Apr 28, 2006 17:23:05 GMT -5
I just read this,I will most definitely be praying for this woman. P.S Maybe only 20 people read the post because only those people were online that day ,be patient I am sure many will respond in prayer.God bless you keep witnessing!!!!!
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Post by valentine on Apr 28, 2006 18:19:28 GMT -5
We will be praying for you this sunday at service. That's your right, but I would like to make it known that your prayers are both unasked for and unwanted. And no, I won't repent. But feel free to keep asking. I mean, people have only been yelling this at me for two decades...maybe next time I will change my mind! Perserverance is key!
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Post by Morluna on Apr 28, 2006 19:57:01 GMT -5
Unwanted and unasked for....? Prayer? It's a wonderful blessing to know we can pray freely without your permission :) May God save your dead soul! Turn to Jesus! He can set you FREE! ... she just GAVE you permission. Seriously, you must see that your arguments are making little to NO headway here. Maybe try changing tactics just for a little variety?
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Post by wkufan on Apr 28, 2006 22:18:57 GMT -5
Valentine.... you need to stop fighting the Truth of the Gospel and believe that lost people are doomed to hell and saved people are destined for Heaven. Repent. You too can come to Salvation! At least I don't make a sore loser thread explaining why I'm not going to respond in a debate. Yep. I love believing that good people who I love are going to go to hell. Sounds great! You sure convinced me! Valentine, I'll give it a stab. Rather than ranting and chanting to you. Please understand that Jesus made the statement that "none were good, except for God". But please remember, not one of us are "good", me included. Christ atoned for our sins by sacrificing Himself on the cross for all of us so that we may be reconciled and saved from the judgment and wrath of God. God hates sin and can not tolerate sin. Unless we repent and turn from these sins placing our trust in Jesus, we will be lost. Regardless how "good" we seem. We've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Yes, me included. But being "good" has other conotations in our society. It also implies "I'm good because I help people." But please understand that society does not dictate the terms of eternal life, God does. It's His rules. He gave us life and free will, we owe him our obedience and respect. Jesus tells us that one will not be saved by good works, only by being born again and trusting in Him. Now Christians might be judged on their works, but they are saved (saved from judgment and eternal damnation) by their trust in Christ. No one will receive eternal life by works. So to an extent, it's not germaine if we think of ourselves as "good". Because Jesus clearly tells us there's only One that's good and that's God. This gift of eternal life is free. All one has to do is to repent, turn from sins and trust in the Lord--in other words, born again as a new person--per se'. Christ makes it clear that no sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, etc, will inherit the Kingdom of God. Everyone of us have committed these in part, thought or action. No one is good save God. Without the love of God, who took out His wrath on His one and only Son for our sakes--so that we could have a way for eternal life, we'd all be lost. The only reason why people professing Christ to you is they are sincerely concerned for you. No one is asking you for money, or anything. The reality is, most sincere people are slandered for trying to tell them the truth of salvation. No one wants anything from you other than to share the path and the only path to everlasting life. This is done because we are commanded to love each other. Jesus stated there are two great commandments---to love God with all your heart, mind and spirit. The other is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. You have complete strangers that have a deep concern for you and only want to share the way to everlasting bliss. This is the only motivation--so you will be deemed worthy and acceptable to God thru the sacrifice that Jesus made for all of us. I hope this has been some service for you.
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Post by valentine on Apr 29, 2006 10:16:30 GMT -5
Valentine, I'll give it a stab. Rather than ranting and chanting to you. I'd like to point out that this is off-topic, but you started it so I'll answer. I would suggest that we take further discussion to PM so as not to hijack Biblethumper's thread. Please understand that I am agnostic, and thusly don't care what Jesus said any more than I care what Henry the Eighth said. Wow, that's...exactly the same thing that people have been telling me since I was fourteen! Seriously, I am shocked that you'd actually think this was the first time I heard that. And I'm more shocked that you thought it would convince me. You said we've all sinned. YOUR OPINION. Convince me that we have without using a book I don't believe was divinely inspired. Please understand that this is again your opinion and one who does not accept your opinion has absolutely no reason to believe it. I owe god nothing. And that's a very pessimistic, spiteful god that you've got yourself there who cares nothing for sincere attempts to be a decent human being. The only reason why people professing Christ to you is they are sincerely concerned for you. No one is asking you for money, or anything. The reality is, most sincere people are slandered for trying to tell them the truth of salvation. No one wants anything from you other than to share the path and the only path to everlasting life. This is done because we are commanded to love each other. Jesus stated there are two great commandments---to love God with all your heart, mind and spirit. The other is to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Well that's good at least, and a principle that I try to live by. I have great love for people. I also have great faith in them. If I believed what you did, I'd probably feel the same way. Which is why I'm not faulting you. I just disagree.
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 29, 2006 11:41:39 GMT -5
I will be praying.
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Post by wkufan on Apr 29, 2006 11:56:19 GMT -5
Well, actually you started it with the following:
If Biblethumper is concerned about "highjacking" a thread, then I'm sure he'll be kind enough to advise.
Then I'm not clear why you're wasting time on a message board that attempts to glorify the name of Christ. Doesn't sound very logical. Maybe you hang around Henry the VIII message boards too--eventhough you don't care what he said. Who knows?
It really should humble you there's apparently been so many people since you were 14 that thought enough about you and loved you enough to be concerned with your eternity. It's not up to me to convince you of anything. The only thing I can tell you is the truth of the Scriptures. All I can do is plead for you to find the salvation of Christ before it's too late for you. Whether you accept it is of your own accord. It's not my opinion that all have sinned--it's a fact ascribed in the Scriptures. God reveals Himself to people who seek Him and it's clear all are fallen short of the glory and righteousness of God.
I can tell you that if you continue to reject God, He will turn you over to your sins and lusts for good--thus God giving up on you and rejecting you. And your heart will be forever hardened from the things of God.
No, it's not my opinion. If I told you if you violated the tax laws of this country and you would be judged and go to jail. Would this be my opinion? No, it's a fact.
We owe God everything. He gave us life, the will to choose. If you accept His conditions, then you have everlasting life. If you choose otherwise, then you're subject to d**nation. You can choose to pay your taxes and not worry with the government coming down on you. You can also choose not to pay your taxes and reap the benefits of that decision as well.
Sincere attempts to be a decent human being might sound wonderful to the carnal mind, but to God it's not revelant. No one is a decent human being, regardless of the outward appearances. The heart is wicked, who can understand it? Only God knows what's deep in the heart of an individual. God cared enough about you and me to allow His only Son to be humiliated, spat upon, beaten, flesh ripped up, tortured and hung on a cross so you and I would have a way to become righteous before His eyes. So that we can live in eternal bliss in heaven. In peace, joy, harmony.
Would you allow your own child to die in order to save a person that you didn't even know? Is it spiteful for God to expect certain conditions given He sacrificed His only Son for you? And what qualifications do we have to cast our judgment of righteous on God? Would it be a person who publicly chastises Him and degrades Him? A person, in their own eyes thinks they're righteous and knows better than God--a God who created all things? A person who willfully rejects the compassion of complete strangers pleading for a person to escape the judgment and wrath of God?
What sinner, who is a parent, would give their child a rock if they asked for a sandwich? Sinners are capable of love for one another. This is a truth known for ages. Loving each other does not bring salvation. If you truly loved someone, you'd warn them of impending judgment of God. If you saw people, complete strangers, walking into a mall and you knew there was a bomb going to explode at a certain time, would you warn them? Any loving person would--even if they didn't know them. Wouldn't someone who was indifferent or hated people anyway just conclude "that's their problem". I would say those who failed to warn those hated people. And these probably could be the same people glad to tell you they gave five bucks to feed the children to demonstrate "how good" they are. The outward appearance is no indication on the inward appearance of the heart and mind. Only God can make this determination.
I'm not faulting you either. That's not my "job". I'm just concerned for you. That's my only motivation. I can only convey to you the truth as described by the Word of God and plead that you turn from you sins and put your trust in Christ. I'm begging you, please do not subject yourself to the judgment and wrath of God! Please take the time to read the Bible, the truth will be revealed to you--if you have a sincere desire to seek it. There's so many scientific truths outlined in the Bible, truths unknown by Man before they were discovered by Man that convinced me only God could have inspired these writings.
Please, before it's too late. Consider the free offer of salvation the Lord, our God provides for us.
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