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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 19, 2008 20:20:11 GMT -5
well if you are gathering money from people who gives by judging the antics of another, then i say you are gathering money from the wrong people. A true Christian will give out of pure love for Jesus Christ and His Ministry, and are led by the Holy Spirit and not flesh. This just reveals how many false converts are out there. Please do not ask money from false converts. That is not led by the Spirit of Christ. That is ridiculous. I always check the credentials of those I support financially. When asked to support this ministry, people came to this website. Videos were watched and the question was raised about whether or not OAO supported this type of preaching. I didn't say anything about it, I just urged others to reveal their stance. As it turns out, we feel free to condemn a long list of things on this board, just not some things. Not supporting something that is deemed ungodly does not equal false conversion, but good stewardship. Whats done is done. It is just disappointing. God bless Micah and everyone else here. I don't have anything else to say about it. Grace and Peace, Joe I don't understand Joe. Do you think that I support what Micah does in the open air? I don't even really know Micah. I have never seen him preach in person and have never met him before. There are DEFINITELY some things that he does in the open air that I think are wrong and would NEVER do myself. I don't know what else to say. Sorry if I have offended you in any way brother...
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:25:11 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 19, 2008 20:25:19 GMT -5
There has to be a line or a standard when it comes to preaching. I've seen others preach and be graphic and obscene, and I think, "why would they do that? That's not necessary." But at the same time others might say that some of my preaching is a little too explicit. I'll talk about masturbation and sodomy. But I don't think that we should be extremely explicit or graphic. We should name sin, maybe even describe sin in certain instances, but we shouldn't be obscene.
So we must reprove sin, while at the same time not become obscene ourselves.
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Post by joem on Mar 19, 2008 20:28:23 GMT -5
That is ridiculous. I always check the credentials of those I support financially. When asked to support this ministry, people came to this website. Videos were watched and the question was raised about whether or not OAO supported this type of preaching. I didn't say anything about it, I just urged others to reveal their stance. As it turns out, we feel free to condemn a long list of things on this board, just not some things. Not supporting something that is deemed ungodly does not equal false conversion, but good stewardship. Whats done is done. It is just disappointing. God bless Micah and everyone else here. I don't have anything else to say about it. Grace and Peace, Joe I don't understand Joe. Do you think that I support what Micah does in the open air? I don't even really know Micah. I have never seen him preach in person and have never met him before. There are DEFINITELY some things that he does in the open air that I think are wrong and would NEVER do myself. I don't know what else to say. Sorry if I have offended you in any way brother... You didn't do anything wrong Kerrigan, no need to apologize. I know you don't support this type of preaching. I sent you a PM. Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:30:14 GMT -5
The worst Christ ever talked was about a dog that turns upon it's own vomit.
That should be the limit of gross and disgusting.
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`Lo, thou hast become whole; sin no more, lest something worse may happen to thee.' John 5:14
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Post by mattmahar on Mar 19, 2008 20:31:17 GMT -5
There has to be a line or a standard when it comes to preaching. I've seen others preach and be graphic and obscene, and I think, "why would they do that? That's not necessary." But at the same time others might say that some of my preaching is a little too explicit. I'll talk about masturbation and sodomy. But I don't think that we should be extremely explicit or graphic. We should name sin, maybe even describe sin in certain instances, but we shouldn't be obscene. So we must reprove sin, while at the same time not become obscene ourselves. I don't spread the Gospel in the "Open Air" yet but I agree with you Jesse there needs to be a line drawn. There is a huge difference between naming the sin like for example fornication and adultery is wrong and going into unnecessary and un-biblical details. In Christ Matt
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 19, 2008 20:31:27 GMT -5
Does anyone here on these boards support or encourage explicit or X rated preaching? If you do, why? Do you think it's necessary or a good example?
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:32:40 GMT -5
this was placed before jessie asked the question
Personally, I have seen three people from openairoutreach miles eli and some other dude. There conversation was cool for the most part. Perhaps it should be some who needs a reproach for their behavior at other times.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 19, 2008 20:39:50 GMT -5
I don't understand your question. Miles Eli and Evan traveled for OAO for a little while but not anymore. Did you ever see them say something they shouldn't?
Right now Open Air Outreach is just my wife and I. But we have a child on it's way also.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:44:25 GMT -5
no they spoke in holiness. I thought of this answer before I got to your question. It's simply misplaced
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Post by John McGlone on Mar 19, 2008 20:47:38 GMT -5
Phill 1:14-18 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear. Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Brothers, I know this thread is getting a bit hot, but let us not draw back from refinement. I pray daily for all of you that are out on the front lines lifting your voices like trumpets. That God would embolden you in His Holy Spirit.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:52:17 GMT -5
Brother Micah, You will face demons in the audience if you go. Just remember this is a case of casting perils before swine and you know what Christ directly said about that.
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Post by celebrity on Mar 19, 2008 20:57:57 GMT -5
Either you guies are checking your bibles or I silenced all of you with my vast knowledge of scriptural precepts. Either way I am elated.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 20, 2008 17:33:09 GMT -5
joem,
The video you posted is over one year old. I have already been called on that and repented over it.
I never remember talking about sex toys. If it was so clear and such a big deal to you for you to publicly make posts against me you should at least have some idea of what is was. Yes or no?
I will say this though. In 1995 I heard a campus preacher who I do not know the name of preach against masturbation, say it would send someone to hell and he made a hand motion.
That was the first time I ever heard anyone preach against it or say it would send someone to hell. I never forgot it and no it did not throw my mind into the gutter.
Others contacted me personally and I have talked with them. I would be glad to do the same with you if you will give me a number.
That is the way you should have handled this anyway. Did you listen to the interview my pastor did with me where I admitted being wrong by being too graphic?
By the way as Jesse pointed out being graphic or explicit is a judgment call. I do however believe there is a line that can be crossed and unfortunately I have crossed it in the past.
There are two things I have said recently that I believe most of you would say were too graphic. I do not believe I will use those any more because I do not need to. I am not beyond correction.
I do not understand how months back Jesse posted a bunch of videos where I preached and none of them received even one comment. I do not care whether or not anyone comments or not, but it seems like a negative, critical, faultfinding spirit to never point out anything good and always focus on the bad (examples-Micah calls girls sluts but show no evidence, Micah talks about sex toys but show no evidence, etc.).
Personally I do not think most open air preachers are very effective because they are too vague and indirect in denouncing sin. Sinners are not understanding what they mean and do not take it to heart. That is why it has little or no impact.
Also I will not allow anyone who refuses to obey the commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ in the great commission to preach openly to dictate to me what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in open air preaching. Jesse is a bonafide open air preacher and I greatly value his opinion on things. I have talked about some of this with him over the few years I have known him and made adjustments accordingly. I will continue to do so if necessary.
Going into a parking lot with a megaphone and preaching a one minute sermonette on how "Christ died for your sins" is not open air preaching. That is a cheap way to try to make it look like you are open air preaching while you are guaranteed no confrontation or opposition.
You guys who think all I do is tell dirty stories, etc. are dead wrong. I only have two or three stories I tell and I use them very sparingly. Many weeks I do not use them at all.
I have yet to see any of my critics in action. I would like to see some of the critics preaching to large, angry hostile crowds, hurling insults, slander, false accusations, trick questions, and threats of violence and how you respond and handle the situation.
If you are preaching directly against sin in no vague and uncertain terms then why aren't you getting this type of response?
If you are getting this type of response then let's see how you handle it. I am very willing to learn. I have been called on the carpet before and repented and am not beyond correction.
Do you critics have a local church?
I have yet to hear of any fruit from my critics. I can show fruit from the preaching I have done (in spite of the errors I have made).
Do you ever consider that I myself may not even agree with the way I handled a situation in the past that was recorded on youtube? I honestly examine my heart and preaching on a daily basis.
If you would like to handle this properly then please send me a contact number.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 20, 2008 17:44:19 GMT -5
joem, The video you posted is over one year old. I have already been called on that and repented over it. I never remember talking about sex toys. If it was so clear and such a big deal to you for you to publicly make posts against me you should at least have some idea of what is was. Yes or no? I will say this though. In 1995 I heard a campus preacher who I do not know the name of preach against masturbation, say it would send someone to hell and he made a hand motion. That was the first time I ever heard anyone preach against it or say it would send someone to hell. I never forgot it and no it did not throw my mind into the gutter. Others contacted me personally and I have talked with them. I would be glad to do the same with you if you will give me a number. That is the way you should have handled this anyway. Did you listen to the interview my pastor did with me where I admitted being wrong by being too graphic? By the way as Jesse pointed out being graphic or explicit is a judgment call. I do however believe there is a line that can be crossed and unfortunately I have crossed it in the past. There are two things I have said recently that I believe most of you would say were too graphic. I do not believe I will use those any more because I do not need to. I am not beyond correction. I do not understand how months back Jesse posted a bunch of videos where I preached and none of them received even one comment. I do not care whether or not anyone comments or not, but it seems like a negative, critical, faultfinding spirit to never point out anything good and always focus on the bad (examples-Micah calls girls very *friendly* persons but show no evidence, Micah talks about sex toys but show no evidence, etc.). Personally I do not think most open air preachers are very effective because they are too vague and indirect in denouncing sin. Sinners are not understanding what they mean and do not take it to heart. That is why it has little or no impact. Also I will not allow anyone who refuses to obey the commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ in the great commission to preach openly to dictate to me what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in open air preaching. Jesse is a bonafide open air preacher and I greatly value his opinion on things. I have talked about some of this with him over the few years I have known him and made adjustments accordingly. I will continue to do so if necessary. Going into a parking lot with a megaphone and preaching a one minute sermonette on how "Christ died for your sins" is not open air preaching. That is a cheap way to try to make it look like you are open air preaching while you are guaranteed no confrontation or opposition. You guys who think all I do is tell dirty stories, etc. are dead wrong. I only have two or three stories I tell and I use them very sparingly. Many weeks I do not use them at all. I have yet to see any of my critics in action. I would like to see some of the critics preaching to large, angry hostile crowds, hurling insults, slander, false accusations, trick questions, and threats of violence and how you respond and handle the situation. If you are preaching directly against sin in no vague and uncertain terms then why aren't you getting this type of response? If you are getting this type of response then let's see how you handle it. I am very willing to learn. I have been called on the carpet before and repented and am not beyond correction. Do you critics have a local church? I have yet to hear of any fruit from my critics. I can show fruit from the preaching I have done (in spite of the errors I have made). Do you ever consider that I myself may not even agree with the way I handled a situation in the past that was recorded on youtube? I honestly examine my heart and preaching on a daily basis. If you would like to handle this properly then please send me a contact number. Micah, thanks for your humility brother. Being transparent and humble are very good characteristics for us open air preachers to have. I thank God for you. Keep up the good work brother...
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Post by celebrity on Mar 20, 2008 19:01:45 GMT -5
Okay we need to get back on point here and that is preaching the gospel of Jesus. I have noted in times past that there are three things that preaching should be about...
The revelation Or second coming of jesus. the gospel made manifest in Jesus. the law made manifest in the old testament.
As a Young preacher, I had more who were curious about the end of the world than ever were curious about the law. But if I taught the law without teaching jesus as it's fulfiller, Than I failed as a preacher.
Two thing always I hear from preacher who come to asu. That is the law and jesus but never the revelation.
About this revelation, what is it? It is how I know God and what that means to the second coming of the master.
I smell a serious coming
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Post by joem on Mar 20, 2008 20:36:40 GMT -5
Micah,
I apologize for any undue criticism. I will refrain from offering any further criticism of your preaching or your ministry. I do pray that the videos in question are old and are not representative of your current preaching, which you have stated is the case. Again, I apologize and I repent of any ungodly behavior I may have exhibited.
Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by dale on May 10, 2008 7:03:36 GMT -5
You're being set up. Well it is an opportunity to get attention for yourself or your ministry, this could do more harm and good. If you think outsiders see your steet preaching as a circus act now, wait til during and after you get on this show.
They are going to try to make you look like Phelps. I'd really think twice about doing the show. Think long term and not short term effect and exposure.
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