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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 29, 2006 23:52:23 GMT -5
Let me know what you guys thing about having this theology section. Is it good or bad? Helpful or harmful? Beneficial or detrimental?
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 30, 2006 0:01:29 GMT -5
I think it has been very helpful. We all learn, are challenged to dig deeper into the Word of God, and even if we end up not agreeing on certain things we at least have a better understanding of why others see things certain ways.
I am greatly encouraged that several have seen things from scripture that indicate it is possible to live a life without sin on this earth. I believe this is foundational to understanding the Bible.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 30, 2006 1:46:52 GMT -5
I think that it is very beneficial. I haven't changed my mind on anything, but it has been fun and interesting. I think that some may have gotten a little out of hand by not operating in the Fruit of the Spirit...but as long as we can discuss things in a Godly and Humble way I don't mind discussing anything. Evangelism Bootcamp "Reignite" just ended and there were two brothers there that I disagree with on many things, yet I consider them dear brothers in Christ. And all three of us agreed that we would never turn our backs on Christ and would seek Him and seek to do His will the rest of our lives!
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Post by Steve Noel on Jan 30, 2006 10:41:32 GMT -5
I also think it's been beneficial. It's caused me to dig deeper into where I stand on many topics. Of course the potential exists for divisiveness because we are dealing with issues that are close to our hearts. I think it's also good in teaching us how to relate with those who disagree.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 30, 2006 14:45:44 GMT -5
I think it's been very awesome.
It's good to know that I'm not alone in my beliefs on holiness, free grace, and conditional security.
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Post by ejuliot on Jan 30, 2006 15:51:06 GMT -5
I may not participate in the discussion too much but it has been amazing reading what everyone says. Being quite young in the faith I haven't really thought about these doctrines but I have learned a lot and come to understand many important doctrines.
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Post by bullhornbob on Jan 31, 2006 0:59:44 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY BENEFICIAL!
Just reading the posts raises questions, concerns, and a resulting desire to seek the truth in the Word for anyone who is authentically seeking to obey God.
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Post by prolifedorothy on Feb 27, 2006 7:55:27 GMT -5
I appreciate something like this because I am asked questions (sincere) by those I am witnessing to that are on doctinal issues.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 10, 2006 2:51:07 GMT -5
I think it's vitally important that we talk about theology, because the bible talks about theology. Jesus and the early Church talked about theology.
Theology is the skull and bones of the body. You need flesh, but what is the flesh without the bones? And what is the bones without the flesh?
Someone once said, "good theology doesn't get you into heaven." Miles quickly replied, "Correct, but bad theology could put you in hell."
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Post by stevemccloskey on Mar 17, 2006 23:33:27 GMT -5
It's essential. (1 Timothy 4:16)
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Post by Grant on Mar 20, 2006 11:53:27 GMT -5
IT COULD BE
I believe, as you all do, how vitally important and scripturally correct it is to come to understand Scripture more. But this must be done in love, of course. Yet also having the awareness that we might not quite have it right ourselves and must maintain an openness of our understandings in order that we might grow, regardless if it goes away from what we initially believed.
There's always two sides, but not neccessarily one right from those two. The most important object of our discussions is to KNOW HIM and to care less of our pride but continue searching with each other for the absolute truth. Not just abusively making our belief heard as fact. If we continue to dig in and bring understandings to the table, in a humble manner, for others to see and respond to, with the full ability to question all things within our own theology, then GOD can bring wisdom into our midst and we don't just have to turn our minds off and go our ways.
The reason I say this is I once felt these were discussions with honest sincerity to find the truth, but these days its become argumentative and proud boldness to prove our rightness.
I know we have it in us to dilegently seek truth with other brethren, in love. Lets put aside our pride and come in a humble heart.
GOD bless you brothers and sisters, of whom I'm the wiseLESS of them all.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 20, 2006 15:56:04 GMT -5
You are right brother. I really appreciate your wisdom on this board.
I do not know if you are referring to me, but I have already explained, defended my position on certain subjects on many pages, but certain people do not read them, and continue asking the same questions, or they do read them, but make things up.
For example: None of us on here who believe in Christian perfection or sinlessness or whatever you want to call it have ever said we are incapable of sinning. We also never stated we have never sinned since we have been a Christian. We go over these things, explain these things over pages and pages, and then some people still accuse us of saying these things.
Then others act as if it is impossible for us to do what the Bible commands us to do which is live a holy, loving, obedient life to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. God is not a liar. He does not command us to do things we cannot do, or command us to do things He does not give us the grace to do.
When we state what the Bible says and claim to have the experience the Bible says we should have (living above sin, free from sin, not commiting sin, total obedience to God's known will) we are accused of being liars and being prideful.
After pages and pages of patiently explaining certain things, it is time for more direct, pointed answers. I believe this is exactly what Jesus or the apostles would do.
I agree with Jesse in that if people are sinning every day in word, thought, and deed they should not be preaching, should call themselves a Christian and I do not want to continue to discuss doctrine with them. I also believe it is just an excuse for sinning.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 20, 2006 19:20:51 GMT -5
The more and more I talk to people on holiness, the more excuses I hear.
"Nobody is perfect"
"I'm only human"
"It's impossible to stop sinning"
"You can't keep God's commandments"
"I don't need to be because Jesus did it for me"
etc etc.
One man the other night said a great deal of these excuses. I said, "you are just making an excuse." To which he said, "your right." And then stopped making excuses for not giving up his sin.
Many make excuses for sin, rather then trying to escape from sin. This is about the farthest you could get from Christianity. I hate sin-excusing theology!!!! That is why it is absolutely vital and terribly important that we preach true biblical theology.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 20, 2006 21:45:56 GMT -5
The more and more I talk to people on holiness, the more excuses I hear. "Nobody is perfect" "I'm only human" "It's impossible to stop sinning" "You can't keep God's commandments" "I don't need to be because Jesus did it for me" etc etc. One man the other night said a great deal of these excuses. I said, "you are just making an excuse." To which he said, "your right." And then stopped making excuses for not giving up his sin. Many make excuses for sin, rather then trying to escape from sin. This is about the farthest you could get from Christianity. I hate sin-excusing theology!!!! That is why it is absolutely vital and terribly important that we preach true biblical theology. Maybe I am mistaken, because I haven't read EVERY post, but I don't remember anyone on this message board promoting a theology that "excuses" sin!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 20, 2006 21:49:23 GMT -5
I was told on these boards that a Christian could actually backslide, but of coarse not lose his salvation. He could turn back, but still go to heaven. That is about as sin-excusing as you could get. And I'm against it.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 20, 2006 21:54:01 GMT -5
I believe that if a man puts his hand to the plow and looks back that he is not fit for the kingdom. I guess you would have to elaborate on what you mean by backsliding...if you mean someone living in sin, then they AIN'T going to heaven. If you mean someone sinning once, then I disagree wholeheartedly...but that's nothing new to anyone on this board...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 21, 2006 9:17:59 GMT -5
Someone who sins and then doesn't repent.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 9, 2006 12:19:15 GMT -5
It's great. I love you guys. You're fun to talk to and debate with.
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Post by josefurban on Apr 9, 2006 14:12:46 GMT -5
Evangelism Bootcamp "Reignite" just ended and there were two brothers there that I disagree with on many things, yet I consider them dear brothers in Christ. And all three of us agreed that we would never turn our backs on Christ and would seek Him and seek to do His will the rest of our lives! Can you answer me a question? Why is a Christian wandering around the edge of the pool of sin??? He should get as far away as possible! The only way you can fall into the pool of sin is if you're wandering around the edge, perhaps even dipping your toe in the water to feel the temperature. ;D ;D ;D Hey brother I'm back!!!!! Is there a thread for this? By the way, I'm curious as to what your views are on the theology of Mr Charles Finney and John Wesley? God bless you bro.
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Post by drsocc on Apr 16, 2006 20:51:26 GMT -5
This section would be beneficial if you would include all the topics pertaining to theology (or even the bible).
I mean, if you want to play jumble with the message boards, you should at least keep appropriate topics in appropriate sections. Just some advice. Cheers.
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Post by biblethumper on Apr 22, 2006 21:04:38 GMT -5
Let me know what you guys thing about having this theology section. Is it good or bad? Helpful or harmful? Beneficial or detrimental? Hi brother Jesse! I'd say that only those inspired by the devil himself would get all roused up and cause division.... on the other hand, some "in error believer" who have a doctrinal bone to pick with everyone may also cause strife... Ahhh....but then you have those who are LEARNING! Some need doctrinal thought. Keep the board on doctrine. The Lord will weed out the tares and the wheat will grow. |Amen.
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Post by biblethumper on Apr 22, 2006 21:08:32 GMT -5
This section would be beneficial if you would include all the topics pertaining to theology (or even the bible). I mean, if you want to play jumble with the message boards, you should at least keep appropriate topics in appropriate sections. Just some advice. Cheers. Sometimes, the tone of our words/thoughts taken on a personal level can offend. "if you want to play jumble the message" seems to be out of Character for speech befitting a Believer. Possinly I'm wrong; yet again, what you say will be taken in a certain personal perspective. This board is a great place with great posts and great topic lines... no jumbling needed. Amen.
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