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Post by Steve Noel on Feb 9, 2006 20:31:13 GMT -5
I have a question for those who believe in entire sanctification. First let me state what I believe the teaching is and if need be you can correct me. This is a quote I found on line: "That Entire Sanctification is a definite act of God’s grace, subsequent to the New Birth, by which the believer’s heart is purified and made holy. It cannot be attained progressively by works, struggle or suppression, but it is obtained by faith in the sanctifying blood of Jesus Christ." So I understand that it's a crisis experience or second work of grace. Here's what I'm trying to understand: Isn't there a deep sanctifying work when we are born again?Isn't regeneration the same as God purifying the heart by faith?Isn't there a radical transformation that takes place at the time of the new birth?What is the extent of the cleansing that takes place at the new birth?The A/G doesn't teach the holiness doctrine of a crisis sanctification experience. I'm wondering how you view what God does in the new birth. Steve
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 10, 2006 11:16:29 GMT -5
I think if you get technical you are sanctified when you are born again. If you’re not holy or sanctified you will not see God. That is regardless of where you are in your walk.
Here is the first instance of the word sanctified:
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
That doesn't sound like a process to me. He set it apart. I do believe in a 'second blessing' or work after grace. I think what we call sanctification could better be termed glorification. The deeper we are in our walk the more glory we bring to him, because we are more disciplined (discipled).
What do you guys think?
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Post by tomah on Feb 10, 2006 18:39:15 GMT -5
Doesn't 'sanctified' at times mean 'set apart'? Like the seventh day, it was 'set apart' from the others. Just like some of the verses refering to believers means that we are 'set apart'.
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Post by josh on Feb 10, 2006 22:23:31 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Feb 10, 2006 22:25:55 GMT -5
I have to say I believe in all 3 points of Santification.
1) When we are justified, we are santified unto God 2) Then its a ongoing santification. 3) Then we will be completly santified.
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Post by Grant on Feb 11, 2006 10:33:31 GMT -5
I have to say I believe in all 3 points of Santification. 1) When we are justified, we are santified unto God 2) Then its a ongoing santification. 3) Then we will be completly santified. Amen
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 11, 2006 12:03:23 GMT -5
Amen.. I like this saying, I've heard someone say. "I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved."
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Post by josh on Feb 12, 2006 0:51:41 GMT -5
Amen.. I like this saying, I've heard someone say. "I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved." Gotta say, I am against progressive salvation. So we are saved. But being sanctified, not saved.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 12, 2006 15:40:14 GMT -5
Amen.. I like this saying, I've heard someone say. "I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved." Gotta say, I am against progressive salvation. So we are saved. But being sanctified, not saved. I think what he meant was this: There are three things... 1)Justification (where we are set apart as children of God and to do His work), hence we "are saved" from the penalty we deserve for our sin:HELL 2)Sanctification (where we are growing in Holiness all throughout our lives), hence we are "being saved" from the power of sin in our lives as we grow in Holiness and are being set apart from sin in our lives 3)Glorification (where we enter into God's presence forever in Heaven), hence we "are saved" forever from the presence of sin, since there can be NO SIN in Heaven. There will be no more temptation, etc. It is in Heaven where we will be set apart from sin forever
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 13, 2006 8:57:40 GMT -5
Past:
Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Present:
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Future:
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
What do you mean by progressive salvation? I'm not saying that you are any more saved since you were born again. I guess I never thought of that quote as saying salvation is a process. I was just thinking of it in the since of: I was saved when I was born again (past), I am saved at the moment(present), and I will be saved from Hell (future).
RevK described what I was thinking when I quoted that.
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Post by Steve Noel on Feb 13, 2006 18:49:58 GMT -5
So what about entire sanctification prior to death?
Do you hold to a 2nd work of grace? For example I recently read an article that spoke of the first work of grace as initial sanctification (this being the new birth / regeneration), and the second work of grace as entire sanctification.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 13, 2006 19:36:22 GMT -5
I used to believe in a second work of Grace, but after studying Scripture objectively, I found no scriptural basis for it...
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Post by evanschaible on Mar 18, 2006 16:51:58 GMT -5
What do we mean exactly by a second work of Grace? If we are talking of the second blessing, then there definately is scriptural evidence. But if something else then I dont know.
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