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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 2, 2006 20:35:22 GMT -5
Are you Christian? Then act like one brothers and sisters. The world is watching and so is God Almighty! I encourage everyone to stay focused on the Word of God in this area. If anyone wants to slam me or knock me you have my permission and then shortly after that will come my love and forgiveness toward you...... But making personal statements toward someone about their beliefs without back up of scripture or the leading of the scripture, by the Holy Ghost is a recipe for strife and division.
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Post by biblethumper on May 3, 2006 9:04:03 GMT -5
Whether this thread was for me or not, I'm going to receive it as though it were:
Notice Evan also believes as you do, Darc; as far as I know, most on this board do.
Now, take note I have not spoken to him (nor the other Arminians) as I have you; there is a reason for this, and it's because this is not about Arminianism, which I already know you know.
I'm 29, Darc, and was Born Again in a maximum security youth jail, now turned into an adult facility....I was also Filled with the Holy Spirit in my small cell many years ago.
Before conversion, Darc, which is on our site, and I reference it only to show a point, I literally bowed myself to the enemy, satan, worshipping him (literally) and doing all sorts of things which of demonic nature.
At the age of about 8, I was called into the enemy's service but soon after that experience (which I will not go into here) I heard the audible Voice of God call my name twice, as He did to Samuel, while I lived on 34 Harris Avenue in Moncton, NB, Canada.
I am not a prophet.
I am not a super spiritual guy.
I don't claim a vision per week and nor do I prophesy twice a day.
I am very very very careful when I state that I discern something; because, I have MY statements and belief system, yet at times I sense the moving of the Holy Spirit in particular people.
When the Lord has given me direct leading or specific understanding, it has never failed, not once, as the Lord does the same for any who seek Him, regardless of denominational affiliation.
The Lord has been gracious enough to allow me to experience some things in His Spirit which I have been forever changed by.
I have been duped before and also fooled by false prophets, yet at the appointed time, God always gave me insight into WHO I was partaking of fellowship with and WHAT spirit they were of.
Amos 3 tells us that God reveals secrets.
I believe that God is a secret revealer.
I fully and completely stand on the fact that God is faithful and will open the eyes of those who dilligently seek His face...that He will give them understanding into things not known with the natural senses.
I believe the Lord has given me understanding on you, Darc.
That is why I have come against you.
I have come against you because I believe that the Lord is against what you are seeking to do here.
Yes, I will have those who oppose that statement.
I understand that.
I also understand some will say I should have PM'd you and on and on they will go.
Jesus Christ is the Shepherd.
His Voice is the Voice of the Father, and I know His Voice.
And in this matter I'm not going to back down from you, I will not be intimidated and nor will I entertain you with doctrine come-backs or debates.
I have, in my entire walk with God, publically oppossed only a few individuals in the sense that I am speaking here.
Today is a serious day, Darc.
This is not a game.
This is not Dan shouting off without direction.
I'm not the Dan who debates doctrine here on the Forum.
I'm not coming in my own strength and power, Darc.
i come now in the Power and might of the Spirit of God who reveals secrets and mysteries to those who sincerely walk with Him and seek Him in dilligent prayer and fasting.
I'm not here to tell you what I think, Darc.
I'm here risking being called a wolf and a goat for claiming Divine leading.
But in such cases I'm not fearful because I've been with Jesus.
I don't live my life here on the internet as one way and then in person as another.
My life is consistent BECAUSE of the Grace fo God.
And because of that, I can stand and say His Blood has washed me.
I have no conscience condemnation in saying this:
You need to stop, Darc, because what you have sowed you are going to reap, and when you reap the harvest, Darc, you will not be able to sway the harvest from gathering to itself all manner of reprobation and sinfulness.
The harvest which is coming can be avoided in it's strength if you turn from this spirit and simply call out to the One who is Light, whose fan is in His hand and who will burn the chaff with fire unquenchable.
This is no longer about the doctrines which we have previoiusly debated but now concerns the harvest which is coming, Darc, and which will not tarry in her season.
Stop now, because the hearvest is nigh, Darc.
You can turn now and be spared the full strength of the harvest if you will simply humble yourself, not before man, but before God, resulting in a renewed passion for the understanding of the Son and His ways, which alone brings Life.
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If you would like to respond, you may do so, but I won;t argue the above.
Also, I have scripture for all of the written word which I've just posted to you publically and will gladly post those Scriptures in private PM to anyone asking in sincereity and with the intention of confirmation and testing, though I don;t claim it as prophecy in any way.
Lastly, in closing, before you DO respond please go to the Lord in prayer, brother, because the Shepherd will speak to your heart in this matter and open your eyes to it's truthfulness or error.
I am persuaded of it's truthfulness, and yet we are commanded to test and prove all things according to the Scriptures alone and apart from human reasoning.
I love you and will be praying for you this evening.
Godspeed, my friend.
Dan Lirette
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 3, 2006 11:40:28 GMT -5
Whether this thread was for me or not, I'm going to receive it as though it were: Notice Evan also believes as you do, Darc; as far as I know, most on this board do. Now, take note I have not spoken to him (nor the other Arminians) as I have you; there is a reason for this, and it's because this is not about Arminianism, which I already know you know. I'm 29, Darc, and was Born Again in a maximum security youth jail, now turned into an adult facility....I was also Filled with the Holy Spirit in my small cell many years ago. Before conversion, Darc, which is on our site, and I reference it only to show a point, I literally bowed myself to the enemy, satan, worshipping him (literally) and doing all sorts of things which of demonic nature. At the age of about 8, I was called into the enemy's service but soon after that experience (which I will not go into here) I heard the audible Voice of God call my name twice, as He did to Samuel, while I lived on 34 Harris Avenue in Moncton, NB, Canada. I am not a prophet. I am not a super spiritual guy. I don't claim a vision per week and nor do I prophesy twice a day. I am very very very careful when I state that I discern something; because, I have MY statements and belief system, yet at times I sense the moving of the Holy Spirit in particular people. When the Lord has given me direct leading or specific understanding, it has never failed, not once, as the Lord does the same for any who seek Him, regardless of denominational affiliation. The Lord has been gracious enough to allow me to experience some things in His Spirit which I have been forever changed by. I have been duped before and also fooled by false prophets, yet at the appointed time, God always gave me insight into WHO I was partaking of fellowship with and WHAT spirit they were of. Amos 3 tells us that God reveals secrets. I believe that God is a secret revealer. I fully and completely stand on the fact that God is faithful and will open the eyes of those who dilligently seek His face...that He will give them understanding into things not known with the natural senses. I believe the Lord has given me understanding on you, Darc. That is why I have come against you. I have come against you because I believe that the Lord is against what you are seeking to do here. Yes, I will have those who oppose that statement. I understand that. I also understand some will say I should have PM'd you and on and on they will go. Jesus Christ is the Shepherd. His Voice is the Voice of the Father, and I know His Voice. And in this matter I'm not going to back down from you, I will not be intimidated and nor will I entertain you with doctrine come-backs or debates. I have, in my entire walk with God, publically oppossed only a few individuals in the sense that I am speaking here. Today is a serious day, Darc. This is not a game. This is not Dan shouting off without direction. I'm not the Dan who debates doctrine here on the Forum. I'm not coming in my own strength and power, Darc. i come now in the Power and might of the Spirit of God who reveals secrets and mysteries to those who sincerely walk with Him and seek Him in dilligent prayer and fasting. I'm not here to tell you what I think, Darc. I'm here risking being called a wolf and a goat for claiming Divine leading. But in such cases I'm not fearful because I've been with Jesus. I don't live my life here on the internet as one way and then in person as another. My life is consistent BECAUSE of the Grace fo God. And because of that, I can stand and say His Blood has washed me. I have no conscience condemnation in saying this: You need to stop, Darc, because what you have sowed you are going to reap, and when you reap the harvest, Darc, you will not be able to sway the harvest from gathering to itself all manner of reprobation and sinfulness.
The harvest which is coming can be avoided in it's strength if you turn from this spirit and simply call out to the One who is Light, whose fan is in His hand and who will burn the chaff with fire unquenchable.
This is no longer about the doctrines which we have previoiusly debated but now concerns the harvest which is coming, Darc, and which will not tarry in her season.
Stop now, because the hearvest is nigh, Darc.
You can turn now and be spared the full strength of the harvest if you will simply humble yourself, not before man, but before God, resulting in a renewed passion for the understanding of the Son and His ways, which alone brings Life.
_________________________________________________ If you would like to respond, you may do so, but I won;t argue the above. Also, I have scripture for all of the written word which I've just posted to you publically and will gladly post those Scriptures in private PM to anyone asking in sincereity and with the intention of confirmation and testing, though I don;t claim it as prophecy in any way. Lastly, in closing, before you DO respond please go to the Lord in prayer, brother, because the Shepherd will speak to your heart in this matter and open your eyes to it's truthfulness or error. I am persuaded of it's truthfulness, and yet we are commanded to test and prove all things according to the Scriptures alone and apart from human reasoning. I love you and will be praying for you this evening. Godspeed, my friend. Dan Lirette My friend, You can claim all you want, you can go on and on all you want, that will not change the subject matter of the heresy of OSAS that you are wrapped up in. The spirit that you are following is not of God because you contradict God and His Word by your statements and lack of understanding of the Word. This is very clear and evident because you continually reject God's truths given to you right from the Word of God. By the very nature of what you are doing, i.e., not using the ONLY truth there is (God's Word) to respond or correct with and or to rebuke with, says that it is of the flesh and not by the Spirit of God. That alone is all I need to establish from which camp you are in. I've kept my tongue, by the leading of the Holy Ghost, from rebuking you. I have a desire for eveyone including yourself to come to the full knowledge and correct understanding of salvation from a scriptural standpoint. It is very sad to me and others Dan that you refuse, reject and kick against these eternal truths. You are not battling me, it is the Spirit of the Lord working on your conscience pricking you with the truth of the Word that you are kicking against. What I've done and will continue to do is to uphold these truths and expose any false teaching, based on God's Word, no matter what you say to me in your flesh. You fail to say anything, using the fullnes of the Word, and so all it becomes is just simply your point of view on the subject matter. I pity you. Jesus is Lord of All!! His truths and His Word will last forever. I will exalt Him and His Word 'til the die I die without compromise.
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Post by Jules on May 3, 2006 11:54:20 GMT -5
brothers....is the doctrine of OSAS worth dividing over? I think all of us will be suprised when we get to heaven who's there and who isn't. For those who don't believe in OSAS, they may arrive and discover that it was God all along who kept them from falling away. For those who do believe in OSAS, they may discover it was not the Lord who kept them and they could have fallen at any time, but didn't.
Does it truly matter? Each view teaches that an ENDURING FAITH is what is critical. Now whether one believes that we can have assurance now or not is not the big issue, the endurance part is.
The spirit of division arises when sin is in the camp. I won't be so bold as to say what or where this sin is, but brothers, there is clearly sin here. The enemy wants nothing more than to divide the remnant, if possible. Everyone should seek God's face, repent if necessary, and seek to edify the body, not tear it down.
These words tear us all down, brothers. We are all part of the same body, and it grieves me to see division. Please make peace with one another over this issue if possible. Until you do, the body as a whole will suffer.
Love in Christ, Jules
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Post by biblethumper on May 3, 2006 12:30:32 GMT -5
Again, Darc, this is not one iota about the OSAS issue; please discontinue making it as such, as I have already stated the intent of this post.
Note my statement:
"Now, take note I have not spoken to him (nor the other Arminians) as I have you; there is a reason for this, and it's because this isnot about Arminianism, which I already know you know.
Darc, I love you and didn't come to post on this thread to accuse or malign or hurt you in any way; my motive was to do what I felt and feel is of God, and His way is restoration and the renewal of brothers and sisters in Christ.
Please see past the OSAS issue in this post; I will not even begin to debate that issue.
Re-read the statements I made and you will see either that I am of the devil, spoke in the flesh or came to you in the Love of God without trying to harm you in any way.
On the other posts it may be a debate but there comes a time when you must stop, pray and seek the Lord before you give an answer.
You replied to my post very quickly, without taking it to the Lord in the sense of seeking Him on what I wrote.
Darc, I had the above post on my heart for some time, and I waited until i knew that I knew that I was to write it...I didn;t think it up in my head and then just flippantly start writing.
I sought God and counsel.
Please, respond in the Spirit of Prayer and counsel before writing.
These types of threads are those which I distinguish between normal everyday talk and discussion and those which are birthed quite literally by prayer.
I refuse to grieve the Spirit of God as I'm writing, and I sense His blessing on my words, and I won't cease to walk softly and lightly in this area of coming to you with a heart, not burdened with an intent to sin against you, but with a heart that wants to see you walk free and whole in the power of His Resurrection.
Jules, now on to your statement.
As noted, I am not here on this particular thread to debate the issue of OSAS.
If you will re read my post, that will become clear.
Again, I also see the concern you have, and share the same.
However, this is not a doctrinal issue in any way whatsoever.
This is an issue of purity and keeping oneself unspotted from the wiles of the devil and the schemes he has planned in order to scatter and divide the flock.
God is Providentially loving and full of mercy to all, and especially to those of the Household of Faith, which I believe Darc is most definately a part of.
Please re read the post and take note of each word and ask God what this is concerning and ask God to open the yes, even, of my own understanding.
My hope is that no one else will come here to this particular thread using the term OSAS again, because this is not even close to the issue above.
This issue is concerning something far different than a debate on OSAS.
Lastly, if you are to respond Darc, please do so in PM, as I will no longer speak on this issue here as it appears to continually be focused on OSAS.... I'm not responding to that further, as I made clear that it is not about such.
Godspeed,
Dan
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 3, 2006 13:04:35 GMT -5
2 Timothy 3:16,17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
Jules and everyone, This last incident where thumper has slammed me is due to me giving another scripture refutation to the Eternal Security topic. That is what the "Eternal Security" thread is about, unless I have totally missed something here? That is what is supposed to be happening there. It's about doctrine. The slam happened in the "Eternal Security for Believers" thread.
Jules, you asked the question; QUOTE "Does it truly matter? Each view teaches that an ENDURING FAITH is what is critical. Now whether one believes that we can have assurance now or not is not the big issue, the endurance part is."
Yes it does matter, because it is a false teaching and it has been the cause of multitudes of Christians to fall away from the Way. For if it didn't then it wouldn't have been so widely refuted by Jesus and His apostles as I've shown. Again it is NOT ABOUT ME, it is about the Word and what the true grace teachers taught (Jesus and Paul)!
If I am ridiculed for holding out the truths of God's Word then so be it. I count it all joy! For I know it is not me that is being slammed or ridiculed. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing. Galatians 2:20,21
In Jesus, darc
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Post by evanschaible on May 3, 2006 13:52:43 GMT -5
Biblethumper, I too was converted in a jail cell, those who are forgiven much, love much.
Darc, COME ON, you may not like the teaching, but if you dont like the brother teaching it there is something wrong LOVE THE BRETHREN. UNTIY IN DIVISION is something that has been lost. We are all Christians, just with differing opinions. Black and white people are still both people, just different. I urge you all to, myself included, to please, for Jesus sake, keep these boards free of blatent YOUR WRONG, IM RIGHT type posts. Simply present the truth as you interpret it. It may be heated and forceful, but DONT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PERSSON, JUST THE TEACHING.
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Post by biblethumper on May 3, 2006 13:58:55 GMT -5
Evan, you were converted in cell also? absolutely wonderful how the Lord does that! When others learn of how I was saved and where....the questions start coming! lol haha i usually have to make note that it was 14 years ago so they don't think i'm still a criminal
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Post by evanschaible on May 3, 2006 14:03:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I know what you mean brother. How is the posts on the other forum coming, I havent checked yet?
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 3, 2006 17:50:42 GMT -5
Darc, COME ON, you may not like the teaching, but if you dont like the brother teaching it there is something wrong LOVE THE BRETHREN. UNTIY IN DIVISION is something that has been lost. We are all Christians, just with differing opinions. Black and white people are still both people, just different. I urge you all to, myself included, to please, for Jesus sake, keep these boards free of blatent YOUR WRONG, IM RIGHT type posts. Simply present the truth as you interpret it. It may be heated and forceful, but DONT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE PERSSON, JUST THE TEACHING. Evan I agree with you whole-heartedly brother! I am not going after thumper, revk or anyone else. I am however going after the false doctrine that as I know cannot be proven scripturally and as you've pointed out cannot be proven by scripture either. I love thumper and revk enough to continually bring forth scriptural truths to contend for the faith and the pure doctrine of scripture. Because someone says I am being divisive should not be taken as gospel. I could point fingers as some do but I realize I am not battling flesh and blood here. This is a spiritual battle, no doubt. I have forgiven thumper and will continue to do so as is needed. You spoke of unity. I ask at what cost? Do we compromise TRUTH for the sake of unity? I won't do that. Because that kind of thinking was never brought out by Jesus or His apostles. Never. In fact it is continually refuted and fought against in scripture. I love each one of you. I also love the truth of the Word of God and desire to have more revealed to me and I believe the only way that will happen is if I honor God by upholding the truth He has already given me. I have no claim on anything and I don't have a corner of the market of absolute truth, but I have been enlightened with truth and will not back down from it for the sake of unifying. There are not many truths, there is only one. Both OSAS and conditional security cannot exist in the same reality of God's Word. For that to be hinted at on these doctrinal boards is incorrect and saddens me. The scripture bears one truth that should never be compromised. This "Doctrine and Theology" area is a place to search the scriptures and use the scriptures to find TRUTH because doctrine is serious business. Not just any doctrine though. This I've learned from scripture, from the Lord Jesus and from His apostles. In Jesus, darc
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Post by biblethumper on May 4, 2006 20:08:41 GMT -5
as found on the other thread called "Questions For Arminians", here is my response to what you wrote on that thread, Darc: Unless I misread the above post, didn't you just post some of Dan Corner's article, word for word, as found here www.evangelicaloutreach.org/hebrews.htmIf I missed the credit line, please accept my apology. If I did not miss anything, did you just pass off Corner's article without giving notice that this post is HIS? Isn;t that called being a thief, liar and copyright infringer? Call it what you want, but it's not called integrity when you pass off writings as though they were you own. I called another individual on this once, and found that he DID post the credit, so I had to ask public forgiveness. I read and re-read your post and see no credit to Corner or the quote from his book, "The Believer's Conditional Security". That makes you a thief, though you may claim you "forgot" or "it's not that big a deal". of course is wasn;t; until now....because you're caught, Darc, passing off as your own what never was. I stand here now and call you a liar and man without any sense of integrity. I will also see, unless you finally admit to it, whether you did this with the other posts. I knew something was amiss with you. Make any excuse you desire, Darc, yet no longer will I trust a word that proceeds from your mouth, as they most likely will be someone else's, only you taking the credit. Is that an issue? You know it is...and I believe all others know it also. Regardless, that whcih I believed was correct; I call you to repent in the Name of Jesus Christ.
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Post by biblethumper on May 5, 2006 9:09:26 GMT -5
DARC Post: Eternal Security for the Believer:
Some would argue that is a Christian goes back into sin and falls away from serving the Lord that that person is again LOST and NOT a Chrisian anymore.
Such an argument is faulty, as the following will show:
John 10:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
You see, when you become a Child of God, NO ONE can pluck you from the Mighty Hand of Almighty God!
Not only THAT, but Jesus SPECIFICALLY states that you will NEVER perish.... either never means NEVER or it doesn't!
This is not meant for thumper, it is meant to refute a common misconception and misunderstanding of this passage
John 10:28 is a wonderful and true promise, but only as Jesus meant it to be understood. To discern this, we must examine verse 27 carefully to learn who the pronouns them and they are referring to in verse 28. Together these two verses from the NIV read:
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (v.27)
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. (v.28)
Verse 27 clearly describes the type of person who will never perish, as mentioned in the next verse! He said his sheep are listeners of his voice, whom he knows and who follow him. The word translated follow is present indicative active in the Greek, which means that it expresses continuous action. In other words, as long as we remain faithful and continue to follow Jesus, he will, indeed, assure us that we will never perish, verse 28. to disregard verse 27 is to twist John 10:28 out of context and distort Jesus' teaching.
The promise of never perishing, as cited in verse 28, does not exist anywhere in the entire Bible for one who would turn away from a dedication to Christ. For example, Paul knew of widows who turned from Christ and started to follow Satan (1Tim. 5:11-15). That apostle knew this could and did happen! (Unlike many in our day, Paul did not say of those widows that they were never really saved to begin with because they turned from their dedication to Christ and started to follow Satan.)
To read into John 10:28 the words, under any circumstance after the words never perish, is to distort the passage. Jesus did not include these words in his promise and neither should we. The description of his sheep shows that the security cited in the next two verses is a conditional one.Upon a recheck, I was correct; no dc, no line of credit ...NOTHING. Simply look above, which is YOUR post, with no credit, no dc, no mention of corner...you took his words and use dthem as your own reply, thus walking in the practice of beinga a thief and a liar and one without integrity. Again, you're a liar. No more calling you on your sin; you refuse to repent. I shake the dust off of my feet and remove myself from responding to you as I see you cannot admit sinful behavior. This is a sorrowful day, darc. I pray God's best for you. I cannot, however, speak with you on any other issue or even on confession...because you have shown disdain for truth by claiming that which was never your own.Posting dc on one article is STILL sneaky and less than honest...you BLATANTLY lied on THIS post and others giving no credit for anything, but again, using Corner as your own. Sinful. That's enough from me now I'm satisfied that the Lord has opened my eyes for a reason. I don't want your head on a platter, or want you to leave or whatever else; what I would have like dis an answer from YOU, without having to copy and paste Corner, and then claiming you gave him credit when you know you did not. Now I will move on. That said, post as you will, say what you will.... but I part company.
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Post by biblethumper on May 5, 2006 11:47:32 GMT -5
In continuance to my accusation against DARC, I also wrote to Dan Corner stating the theft.
Dan Corner wrote back, to which I have the email, and Dan Corner will be looking into this matter as he appeared quite concerned.
The reason i write the follow-up is because i was awaiting Mr. Corner's response.
Blessings in Jesus.
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Post by biblethumper on May 5, 2006 19:40:56 GMT -5
DARC said: If everyone looks at the bottom of the article I posted here you'll this dc, but not in bold letters. This stands for Dan Corner.I don't have anything to hide. (Thread: Questions For Arminians)
DARC said: The end result though is I made the choice to hide Dan's work but not for the reason you are slandering me for. (Thread: Eternal Security For The Believer)
DARC said: Yes, I have posted some of Dan Corner's material here without saying it. I have no excuse. (Thread: Eternal Security For The Believer)
Darc, you're forgiven.
I do wonder, though, how someone believing you can lose your Salvation could be so sinful?
I mean, here you are WARNING PEOPLE that liars are hell-bound, then you admit to BEING ONE.
Amazing.
That, and I don't care what the Pope says, is a definate symptom of a seared conscience.
You're on dangerous ground, and I exhort you to repent.
I can be called names, told I'm unloving and a thousand other insults.
I was given this understanding on you (see "personal responses to someone" thread) for a reason: I believe (1) either God has exposed you as a reprobate or (2) you are being given the Gift of Repentance which addeth no sorrow.
The choice is your's, darc.
Choose ye this day.
Who will you serve?
Simply repent and change your ways.
Jesus is there, brother.
Dan
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 6, 2006 8:11:19 GMT -5
Re: Question for Arminians « Reply #10 on Today at 8:01 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I spoke with my dear friend and brother in Christ Dan Corner and I let him know everything that is going on. I gave him a link to this message board so he can examine all my words I have spoken. This what I wrote him... QUOTE Brother Dan,
Greetings in the name of Jesus.
First I must confess that I used some of your material on a "message board" in which I was refuting OSAS, which I didn't come out and say it was from you. Brother my heart and conscience are clear in front of the Lord. I didn't do anything out of glory seeking.
In the beginning of this message boarding a few weeks ago I attached links to your articles on Post Trib Rapture on my messages that I would leave for the others to read in a debate about when the rapture would occur. When I did this there came some very heavy persecution toward me because I listen to you. The slander that also went on and continues to go against you and your ministry is of a very wicked sort. They say some very mean things about you and anyone that agrees with you.
One of the main leaders of this slanderous behavior is a man named Dan Lirette and goes by the screen name "biblethumper". He is a staunch OSAS proponent. During his rebuttals toward me when I would use a link to one of your articles he would call you a liar, and many other things.
Brother Dan, please forgive me. I meant no harm to you as this man may is saying, nor was I looking for any credit. To God be all the glory. Amen
This is the link to the message boards>>> openairoutreach.proboards52.com/index.cgi
the two threads I have been most active in are "The Rapture" and "Eternal Security For The Believer"
In Jesus, Darc Now I QUOTE him... "Brother Darc:
Greetings in Jesus' name.
Please do NOT be troubled. You need to be commended. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. You are right about Dan L. He emailed us and tried to cause trouble for you. He doesn't know we are your dear friends! Please KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DOING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN. You are making the devil and his children mad."My conscience is clean and clear as I stand before my Lord and Savior Jesus. There was never and isn't any glory seeking going on as is being implied. My posts and words will speak for themself. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? Matt. 7:1-3
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Post by biblethumper on May 6, 2006 9:19:22 GMT -5
I could but will not post Corner's response, though I will hold on file and send to anyone who wants it. I knew you'd write him as soon as I notifed you that I myself had written; I also believed you would seek to brown nose Dan Corner in the attepmt at appeasing your own seared conscience, and I was again correct. Dan Corner was upset at you, Darc...I'm not sure what you said to Mr. Corner in order to appease him and your seared conscience, but the initial reply I have from Corner, along with the posted three statements by YOU show me that you're a hypocrite. And no, Darc, I'm not going to take another week and write rebuttals to you; I am convinced you're false convert. Dan Corner did not speak of you as a "dear friend" or someone who gave you permission to steal his work... as a matter of fact, you yourself said you took it, hid it and you have no excuse; you only changed your tune after writing Corner and though I'm not sure what kick you get out of lying and then seeking appeasement to your conscience for sin, it's apparent you're a reprobate or at best a false convert. I knew, darc, and I believe that if anyone takes even a glimpse at your statements PRE Corner email they will see as I did almost a week ago What boggles my mind is how you can blatantly lie and not be convicted over such evil. I see there is no possible way to see your conscience return to it's sensitive state without a miracle, it appears; thus, like I said, I won't write rebuttals all week, as I know that the only thing a seared conscience would do is seek to debate endlessly on why it's NOT seared; you CANNOT "not" seek to prove to others that you are of God because a seared conscience will never admit it, because it's natuir eis to lie. Hence, I leave with this: DARC said: If everyone looks at the bottom of the article I posted here you'll this dc, but not in bold letters. This stands for Dan Corner.I don't have anything to hide. (Thread: Questions For Arminians) DARC said: The end result though is I made the choice to hide Dan's work but not for the reason you are slandering me for. (Thread: Eternal Security For The Believer) DARC said: Yes, I have posted some of Dan Corner's material here without saying it. I have no excuse. (Thread: Eternal Security For The Believer)
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Post by Jules on May 6, 2006 11:20:01 GMT -5
oh brother, I thought this was over already...who CARES about Dan Corner? Is this going to become another evangelical outreach site? If people want to know about the OSAS doctrine and teaching, go over there. This board has enough division on it. Don't bring the hate and judgment from that site over here. PLEASE brethren, seek His face and settle this.
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Post by biblethumper on May 6, 2006 15:33:15 GMT -5
you see jules, once corner was exposed, his NAME was removed, but as you see his writinsg were still here.... thus the problem remained, only darc lied about it
DARC said: Yes, I have posted some of Dan Corner's material here without saying it. I have no excuse. (Thread: Eternal Security For The Believer)
See, we should have a false prophet thread for corner, hinn, copeland etc etc
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Post by biblethumper on May 6, 2006 15:42:33 GMT -5
PS: false prophets have no place in the Body of Christ and it sin to quite the mouths of those who expose them!
Miles, Jesse, myself, Evan, Jules and many many others here on the Board are a false prophet's and hypocrite's worst nightmare.
Repent or perish!
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on May 6, 2006 15:59:15 GMT -5
It doesn't matter to me that any of you guys, who want to "find sin in the camp," believe what you believe about what you say I have done. I love each one of you and I forgive you of this slander. You really don't know me or Dan Corner.
I will state it again. Because of your outright hatred for the man Dan Corner is the reason I "went underground" with some of his work. Please get this. I did not lie about this because I was never asked about it.
I forgive everyone of you for your hatred of my dear christian brother Dan Corner. I forgive you for slamming the door on the truth of the word that is so clear but so readily rejected. To call me a false convert is nice, real nice and so very slanderous. None of you know me. None of you. You don't know how I live my life. You don't know the level of holiness I live, nor do you know the measure of my faith and trust in the blood of Jesus I have. You don't have a clue what took place three years ago, because if you did you quickly repent of your acussations that I am a false convert and ask me to forgive you. Jesus Christ has set me free from all the sin in my life from porn addiction to blasphemy of God's name to sexual immorality, to smoking and drinking etc., etc., etc.. The Lord Jesus has totally re-gened me. I have been set free from a condemning spirit, an attitude of hatred and lying. (You could call me a heathen that worships the Devil) and I would still love you and forgive you. I hate what you are doing, because you do it in ignorance and it doesn't even bother you.
If the shoe fits here then wear it. I am only speaking to a select few hate-mongers. Please stop throwing around words, stirring up strife and looking to see who you can fry.
Jesus Christ never did the kind of things that are going on here and yet we all just throw our words around, not caring what they do to the other person on the receiving end nor do we even give it any thought that we will be held accountable for them on that Last Day. It's as if we don't even think about the fact that we are supposed to be becoming more and more like Him. I would like anyone on these boards, who considers themself a Christian, to show me where Jesus acted like this and said things like this.
If you want to get behind this man and form a linch mob, then I want to let you know before you decide to do that, to look at the concequences before acting. Because once those words go out they can't be retrieved or taken back. We have the words of life or death on each one of our tongues.
In Jesus, Darc
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Post by Jules on May 6, 2006 16:14:58 GMT -5
I just want both of you to stop attacking each other personally. Seriously, enough is enough. What do you guys think the unblievers are thinking when they read this garbage? How does this edify or build up anyone here?
TAKE HEED:
Galatians 5:13-16 "For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
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