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Post by tomah on May 14, 2006 18:45:14 GMT -5
I don't think you can put Ravenhill in the same catagory as Wilkerson though, can you? Ravenhill never said the kinda things you're all saying Wilkerson comes out with.
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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 18:47:00 GMT -5
Bob Jones 2? No comment; his "ministry" speaks volumes. As for Ian Paisley, great fruitful Ministry! Oh...Times Square Church recently supported Billy Graham in NY Praise God! And yes, Billy Graham's ministry asked me to post the letter on our site, which I didn not do, and shoul dhave, to show that he has in fact gone public It will be posted this evening at www.icminternational.org on our Blog section under "Letters From Leaders"
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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 20:00:52 GMT -5
Article:
Wilkerson has stern words for the American church. Both Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker were personally warned by Wilkerson to clean up their acts or face a big fall. Neither heeded his admonitions, Wilkerson laments.
"The reason God was dealing with both of those ministries is because they were robbing the poor, taking advantage of widows and the poor. That's why God shuts ministries and nations down. God never lets this stuff go very long."
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Post by messengermicah on May 14, 2006 20:33:54 GMT -5
Good point, biblethumper, but I am not saying they were not prophets. I am just repeating what they said.
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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 21:04:45 GMT -5
Oh, I know you were only quoting them, Brother The problem is that you're not the only one who's quoted these statements.... That is the concern, that one ccan claim "I'm not a prophet" and yet act as one and speak as one and prophesy as one. I suspect that the only reason Wilkerson and Ravenhill never took the label was out of humility, which is most certainly a commendable trait! The thing is that if one feels that calling themselves a prophet is arrogant, then they should say nothing at ALL, rather than saying they are NOT a prophet when their ministry show sthey are
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Post by messengermicah on May 14, 2006 21:08:25 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with you. I guess it is probably an awkward spot to be in for a very humble man of God when there is so much flakiness going on about people going around calling themselves prophets.
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Post by rebecca01 on May 14, 2006 21:31:57 GMT -5
I have never heard David Wilkerson say when all of these prophesies would be fulfilled.He said that some of them he believed would happen in his lifetime.He said that he asked the Lord was 911 what God was showing him and he said God told him "no" that what was to take place would be far, far worse.He also thought the same thing when the stock market began to fall but eventually it recovered again.It doesn't mean though that he is a false prophet just because what God showed him hasn't occured yet.
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Post by Kerrigan on May 15, 2006 16:14:37 GMT -5
I have read both The Vision and The Vision & Beyond. I have also read his newsletters. They are always very convicting and seem to be as the voice of God speaking to this generation. I didn't find one prophecy in either of his books with an exact, precise time that they would come about. I don't remember specific details, but I remember reading some of the prophecies (also remembering when he wrote it) and wondering how he could ever "think these things up" unless God had revealed them to him. I thank God for David Wilkerson and his boldness to speak the truth for God.
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Post by biblethumper on May 15, 2006 16:52:25 GMT -5
The only one thinking anything up negatively about men of God are those who are not men of God
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Post by arturo on Oct 4, 2022 11:28:26 GMT -5
Is Mr. Wilkerson a false prophet? I was informed that in his book "The Vision" he prophesied things that would occur within a decade of writing, but they never came about. Now I have this book, but haven't read it, as I don't want to waste time reading something if it is just a bunch of false prophecy. So what is people's take on this? Also I was reading Charismatic Chaos, by John MacArthur, and he to mentions this.
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Post by arturo on Oct 4, 2022 11:31:50 GMT -5
Is Mr. Wilkerson a false prophet? I was informed that in his book "The Vision" he prophesied things that would occur within a decade of writing, but they never came about. Now I have this book, but haven't read it, as I don't want to waste time reading something if it is just a bunch of false prophecy. So what is people's take on this? Also I was reading Charismatic Chaos, by John MacArthur, and he to mentions this.
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Post by arturo on Oct 4, 2022 11:32:50 GMT -5
Is Mr. Wilkerson a false prophet? I was informed that in his book "The Vision" he prophesied things that would occur within a decade of writing, but they never came about. Now I have this book, but haven't read it, as I don't want to waste time reading something if it is just a bunch of false prophecy. So what is people's take on this? Also I was reading Charismatic Chaos, by John MacArthur, and he to mentions this. Lest we forget, the rapture did not occur after St. Paul predicted it. Just FYI.
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