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Post by evanschaible on Jun 5, 2006 15:35:40 GMT -5
What is it? I cannot seem to find one.
It is kind of like debating what color the elephant is, and then finding out, "wait a second, that isnt an elephant." Sometimes we get so caught up on the ways to study about God we forget the real way, reading the bible, not debating which one is right. I am fairly confident you will not find a single verse that supports any of your views concerning what translation is right.
Please let me recommend to all, "The worship of the letter contradicts the Spirit", a chapter is William Law's book, "The power of the Spirit".
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 5, 2006 16:13:36 GMT -5
Evan...I first want to say that there are extremist KJO people while there are moderates; I am a moderate, meaning I refuse to claim that "only" KJO readers are "truly of God" etc etc.
Peter Ruckman is a great example of an extremist....
As far as translation is concerned, I am firm in my understanding of manuscript translation, which manuscripts were used etc etc... hence, I am a KJO reader.
However, that's all it is; I READ the KJ and claim it to be the Word of God.
I do not endorse nor will ever endorse other versions; yet, unless one brings it up, you'll never ever find me "fighting the NIV" or other versions.
Why?
Because I don't want to.
Not all KJO people are mean spirited big-heads....
I'll fellowship with any Believer of any denomination at any time, regardless of doctrinal differences, and I pray that those who do not agree with ME would do the same.
Praise the Lord.
Dan
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 5, 2006 16:29:04 GMT -5
I understand, But the threads that are dominated are now the ones about translation. What happened to discussing the new birth, the baptism of the Spirit, the attributes of God, Holiness, etc. I miss that, I am grieved that so many debate so heatedly on this topic when the real issue is this, Do you know the God that wrote the book, or do you the book better than the author?
Dont get me wrong, You NEED TO READ THE BIBLE. But the translation debates are getting out of hand and are pointless. I love you all , that is why I am greived about this.
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 5, 2006 16:37:23 GMT -5
Agreed; we should be spending our resources on the topics you have named.
I submit that you're correct and a change is needed.
I for one will continue discussing Sanctification... it is something which has been on my heart for some time.
God bless you bro!
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Post by Doc H on Jun 5, 2006 17:34:11 GMT -5
the translation debates are getting out of hand and are pointless.
According to my calculations (I was never very good at maths[that's what the English call it]) there have been 3,084 views of the version debate, far more, as far as I can tell than any other topic on this board So is it really pointless?, well that may be your opinion but obviously not everyone's.
If debating the versions is stopping you from studying your bible (whatever version), praying and preaching the gospel, then I would gently suggest that you get out of the kitchen. But if you can do all four then why be critical?
The debate is not pointless. God's word and where it can be found is of the utmost importance, because without it we would all be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
I am with Biblethumper, I do not go out of my way to attack people who use other versions, but I will always, as gently as I possibly can try to show them that they would be better off reading the 'good ol book'.
Why are you saying that the debates are getting out of hand? Could it be that some are being convicted of their error. Just a thought. I'm not attacking anyone in particular.
But, once again let me remind you that it was NOT any of the KJO brethren who started the version debate.
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on Jun 5, 2006 18:07:46 GMT -5
I applaud the move and I support it 100 percent. Holy Spirit speak to each of our hearts and guide us into the will of the Father away from senseless arguements and endless "debates" that distract us from being in the will of God our Father. Amen
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 5, 2006 18:20:21 GMT -5
I have very rarely posted on this thread, or in this section actually. There are two many heathen that are trying to take this board over to sit here and debate translation.
I agree, but that is not what I am addressing here. Have you noticed that there are almost as many lost souls on this board then there are redeemed? Oh, Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah, Isaiah, never had a Bible. We are extrememly priveleged to read the Bible in any translation.
The very reason you cited earlier. The some odd thousand reads on this pointless topic. If those threads addressed something like why the Bible is credible even after all of these years then that would be a different story. But I am sorry if I have offended you. and if my remarks were out of line then forgive me.
The KJV version is the best I agree. But where you guys stepped over the line was going so far as to judge salvation by what translation they read. Again, forgive me for any offence, but I just typed as i felt led to type.
As for the error comment, no. I wasnt convicted of any error concerning the translation I read. But at least the people reading the RV, NASB, and the like are reading the Bible. I started with the NIV and then moved to the KJV.
That is my two cents, take it or leave it.
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Post by tonyholland on Jun 5, 2006 18:52:08 GMT -5
I don't know. Maybe it's been a bit of overkill, but I have learned quite a bit reading these posts. It hasn't changed my mind, but it has made me consider comparing some of the more difficult scriptures that I read to the KJV. The debate is good, the bickering and fighting is not.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 5, 2006 19:35:09 GMT -5
ButI am sorry if I have offended you. and if my remarks were out of line then forgive me.
No offence taken.
But where you guys stepped over the line was going so far as to judge salvation by what translation they read.
I think you have either misunderstood us or you are again misquoting. I have never judged anyone's salvation based on which version they read.
As for the error comment, no. I wasnt convicted of any error concerning the translation I read. But at least the people reading the RV, NASB, and the like are reading the Bible. I started with the NIV and then moved to the KJV.
Fair enough. But if each translation is as good as the next (does anyone know when a new translation is coming out?) why did you change from the NIV to the KJV? Just curious.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 5, 2006 19:41:26 GMT -5
guide us into the will of the Father away from senseless arguements and endless "debates" that distract us from being in the will of God our Father.
Well, darcfollowingjesus thank you for yet another personal attack. So because I defend God's Holy Word the AV 1611 I am not in the will of the Father?
You sure know how to be an encouragement.
Thanks, mate.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 5, 2006 19:45:16 GMT -5
Maybe it's been a bit of overkill, but I have learned quite a bit reading these posts.
That's what debates and discussions are all about. Let's hope all of us have learnt something.
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 5, 2006 21:07:48 GMT -5
Amen... debates foster thought; thought fosters action; action fosters holiness.
Anyone care to discuss the new thread on the Genuine Filling of the Holy Spirit?
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Post by av1611 on Jun 6, 2006 0:34:15 GMT -5
Before you can discuss anything you need a final authority, without that you have no basis for your belief. Before you discuss any doctrine you ought to discuss WHAT Bible...there is only one final authority Dan, I think we would agree Preacher Robert Hulewicz
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Post by darcfollowingjesus on Jun 6, 2006 6:49:15 GMT -5
QUOTE: "Well, darcfollowingjesus thank you for yet another personal attack. So because I defend God's Holy Word the AV 1611 I am not in the will of the Father?
You sure know how to be an encouragement.
Thanks, mate."
Doc, This was NOT a personal attack on you or to anyone. I'm simply seeking God in the matter for us all.
If you stand on the 1611 then use it when you post or stop with the boasting. I want to see you post once with the 1611 and then continue to do so. Forgive me if I haven't seen you do this, but if you haven't doesn't that make you a hypocrite? As far as your question to me... you'll have to answer that, because I didn't say anything to you about that.
Your conviction I can do nothing about, however trying to put a guilt trip on me or someone is also one of your traits as well as a trait of several others here on these boards by using your sarcasm and you want to condemn me of not being an encouragement with your sarcasm? What do you want me to encourage you in the issue for, it is nothing but prideful, ignorance and arrogance at it's best and accomplishes very very little.
It is God and His will I seek not the letter but the Author, as evan mentioned.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 6, 2006 18:31:43 GMT -5
darcfollowingjesus,
This was NOT a personal attack on you
The rest of your post certainly is!
If you stand on the 1611 then use it when you post or stop with the boasting. I want to see you post once with the 1611 and then continue to do so. Forgive me if I haven't seen you do this, but if you haven't doesn't that make you a hypocrite? As far as your question to me... you'll have to answer that, because I didn't say anything to you about that.
What on earth are you talking about. I have ALWAYS quoted from the AV 1611. You must have me confused with someone else.
trying to put a guilt trip on me or someone is also one of your traits as well as a trait of several others here on these boards by using your sarcasm and you want to condemn me of not being an encouragement with your sarcasm? What do you want me to encourage you in the issue for, it is nothing but prideful, ignorance and arrogance at it's best and accomplishes very very little.
Well, I think the above statement speaks for itself. Particularly the PRIDEFUL and ARROGANCE part.
You have made a number of unfounded accusations which I have to say are now allowing things to get somewhat out of hand.
I will retreat gracefully and not respond to any more of your posts.
I wish you all the best in your Christian walk and I mean that sincerely from the heart.
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 6, 2006 19:12:30 GMT -5
I didnt start this thread for the purpose of causing more bickering. If I was a moderator it would be locked.
I started this thread to simply stir the water and cause a little thought about the focus of our attention.
God pity us.
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