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Post by bounbough on Jun 15, 2007 11:39:54 GMT -5
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
We know that Jesus said John was Elijah, not in the physical but after the spirit. Luke 1:17 says that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. But that wasn't before the "great and dreadful" day of the Lord, so do we look for another who will come in the spirit and power of Elijah (like John) to announce the second advent of the Lord?
Are there two messengers? Matthew 17: 11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Verse 11 "shall come first" Verse 12 "is come already".
Verse 11 is supported by Mal 4:5 that Elijah will come again before the second advent of Christ, but it doesn't mean Elijah in the flesh, as God looks at the spirit and not the flesh. Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, so it is the spirit that counts. Another John type messenger will come and like John, will come in the spirit and power of Elijah prior to the return of Chirst.
I'd like to get your views on this doctrine. Abiding in the doctrine of Christ, bounbough
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Post by darcobedient2jesus on Jun 16, 2007 18:18:17 GMT -5
bounbough, what is your background? what faith? what congregation?
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Post by darcobedient2jesus on Jun 17, 2007 17:27:41 GMT -5
OK, now that I know a little bit about your background, then I must ask what is the end of your questions? To what end is your line of questioning?
My belief is that John the baptist was Elijah (in the spirit) come to make straight (restore) the path for Jesus, the Lord and this is what both Scripture references speak to that you gave. Is there going to be another who will come to announce the second coming of Christ? Are there two messengers?
Not that I can find.
There is an angel that flies through the air telling the people of earth to not take the mark of the beast. But nowhere in Scripture do I see one that comes to "announce" His coming. Instead we are told to watch for the signs He told us about (Mt 24) and be waiting and watching for His return. If it were so, as you speak, then Jesus would have referenced it somewhere when He was asked by His disciples.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 18, 2007 9:18:51 GMT -5
So are you saying that John was the fulfillment of Mal 4:5?
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 18, 2007 9:34:20 GMT -5
John did fulfill Mal 4:5 "for the first advent of the Lord"
But it does not end there, all those preaching the Gospel "Rev 14:6-12 are completing the work of Elijah "in the Spirit" to get the world ready for the greatest event in History, the Return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. [The Second Advent]
John the Babtist preached repentance toward God, to get "them" the road ready [their lives] for the Lord. We are to finish the Work of Elijah "as shown by John the Babtist" by preaching the three Angels Message in Revelaton 14:6-12. Which is called present truth. [ for we are in the time of the second Advent]
Those that are preaching the Gospel of Revelation 14:6-12 are preaching the Elijah message today, preparing the way for the Second Advent of our Lord. What a Calling!
TrustandObey
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Post by bounbough on Jun 18, 2007 19:53:52 GMT -5
11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Note: Verse 11: "shall" (future tense) Verse 12: "is come already" Now take a look at Malachi 3:1 Here is John and then in Malachi 4:5 Here is Elijah From Malachi 3:1 we couldn't have known that his name would be John, but we do know that he is Elijah after the spirit and power from Luke 1:17 So we know from Malachi 4:5 that it is Elijah, but we don't know his name (after the flesh) yet. Furthermore, the first advent was not the great and dreadful day of the Lord, Elijah will come before Jesus returns.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 18, 2007 20:00:48 GMT -5
Note: "Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things" Jesus said this after John the Baptist was dead and beheaded (in Matthew 16). Don't be fooled, Elijah is still coming before the Second advent of Christ, the 'great and dreadful day of the Lord' just as the Jews have always rightly taught from Malachi.
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Post by debonnaire on Jun 19, 2007 2:54:37 GMT -5
Amen,
What about the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11, brothers ? Like Elijah, they will destroy their enemies by fire (compare 2 Kings 1) and they ‘ll have authority to shut up the sky so that there will be no rain (comp 1 Kings 17:1)
Some have said that these 2 witnesses are Elijah and Moses, others have said they are Elijah and Enoch. But I rather believe they are a corporate group of witnesses in this 1st half of the great tribulation, and they will prophesy 1260 days (Rev11:3) When their witnessing will end , they will be killed by the Beast, and won’t resurrect before the end of the great Trib (Rev 11:11) 3days ½ after , which is likely 3 1/2 years. Like John the Baptist who was killed by Herod who was a type of the beast. Like Elijah was persecuted by Achab who was a type of the beast. These 2 witnesses are the 2 olive trees and 2 candlesticks that stand before the Lord (Rev11:4) meaning they are witnesses both from Jewish and Gentiles background. For the Gentiles are also compared to an olive tree in Romans 11:17 , a wild olive tree that has been joined on the cultivated olive tree. I believe the message of these witnesses will be of the same kind than Elijah or John ‘s message, to bring back the hearts of men back to God. They will preach with fire like prophets (fire come out from their mouth) and with the authority of apostles to bind or to loose in earth like in heaven (comp Mathew 16:19)
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Post by bounbough on Jun 20, 2007 9:00:37 GMT -5
Those that are preaching the Gospel of Revelation 14:6-12 are preaching the Elijah message today, preparing the way for the Second Advent of our Lord. What a Calling! I don't agree with this teaching, one would have to be a prophet in order to do the work of a prophet. The same way a Pastor could no more fill the shoes of an apostle. It is a snare to operate outside of one's calling. Will helps call fire down from heaven?
When Elijah appears, it will turn the Jewish state upsidedown, there will be mass conversion. “John the Baptist was the Elijah messenger sent to prepare God's people for the first advent of Christ by calling them back to true worship. But notice that the prophecy of Malachi 4:5 relates more directly to an Elijah messenger who is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD" or just before the second coming of Jesus. Once again a messenger is to proclaim a message in the spirit and power of Elijah to bring reformation and herald the second coming of Jesus!” This role can only be fulfilled by a Prophet (like John) or an apostle. An apostle can operate in a prophets role.
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 20, 2007 16:10:01 GMT -5
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Elijah is not returning to this planet, because the Bible says so!
Just because he was taken to heaven, he cannot get their but by judgment of the Lord.
It is only tradition that says he is returning, so we must explore this subject with detailed eyes and ask the Lord to guide us.
Before the day of the Lord, who was to be sent to the world?
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord" - Mal 4:5
In whom was this prophecy partially fulfilled?
"For all the Prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. Matt 11:13-14
Elias is the Greek from of the Hebrew word Elijah.
What objection was raised by the scribes to Christ's mission?
"And His disciples asked Him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" - Matt 17:10
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things, But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed, Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of the,. Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist. Matt 17:11-13
What was John's Testimony of himself?
"And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that Prophet? And he answered, No" John 1:21
How is this apparent discrepancy explained?
"And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17
When was this spirit and power to be manifested?
"Before the great and dreadful day of the lord. Mal 4:5
What else was to take place before that "terrible" day?
"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31
Was that day still future in Peter's time?
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise." 2 Peter 3:10
What did the spirit of Elijah lead him to do? or What is the Elijah message?
And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between tow opinions? If the Lord be God, follow Him: but if Baal, then follow him." 1 Kings 18:21
The Israelites had at that time forsaken God, and turned to worship Baal. [which the majority of Christian churches do today by ignorance] In this they had departed from God's commandments,[no long under the law, the law has been put away, and we are under grace, and live in sin] and the work of Elijah was to brave their anger, by crying out against their worship of Baal, and appealing to them to return to the commandments of God. [found in the First Angels message Rev 14:6]
After boldly declaring the truth, what was Elijah compelled to do?
Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by tomorrow about this time. And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba. 1 Kings 19:2-3
What charge was brought against Elijah?
And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, art thou he that troubleth Israel? - 1 Kings 18:17
Elijah said; it is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life; for I am not better than my Fathers. - 1 Kings 19:4
What did the Lord do for Elijah?
Behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2:11
What will the last message before the Lord comes demand of the faithful?
"And the third angel followed them saying in a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation... Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:9-12
It will be seen that this message is a counterpart of that proclaimed by Elijah, inasmuch as it calls for people to decide between the worship of the beast and the worship of God. This will call for those who have the boldness to cry out against the practices of the people, and appeal to them to return to God by keeping His Commandments.
How will the remnant church be generally regarded for thus keeping God's Commandments?
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17
How far may we expect this persecution to be carried against those who will not yield to the power of the beast?
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Rev 13:15
If faithful, what will be done for these persecuted ones?
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire; and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. Rev 15:2
The three Angels message is the Elijah message to all peoples to get back to God, make your lives ready.
Preach the three Angels message " the End Time Gospel" to the World and you are preaching in the Spirit of Elijah.
we are in the end of the toe nails in Daniels image, Elijah is already Here preaching " in the Spirit".
TrustandObey
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Post by bounbough on Jun 20, 2007 23:18:26 GMT -5
Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. (12) But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Please note: Verse 11: Shall come (The Elijah of Mal 4:5 is yet to come) Verse 12: Is come already (Is John) "Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things" Jesus said this after John the Baptist was dead and beheaded in Matthew 16. Have all things been restored? No. It clearly states that Elijah is still coming again, when? Before the ‘great and dreadful day of the Lord’ (Mal 4:5). The first advent of Christ was not the ‘great and dreadful day of the Lord’. John’s appearance was not before the ‘great and dreadful day of the Lord’, and nowhere in the Bible does it teach that the spirit of Elijah is made manifest in the body of Christ in the latter days to “restore all things”. This doctrine is heresy. God used one prophet, the prophet Elijah to destroy 450 prophets of Baal (1 King 18:19). God doesn’t need the body of Christ to do Elijah’s work. For John was one prophet who came in the spirit and power of Elijah “a voice crying in the wilderness” God didn’t need a band of men preaching repentance. God will purge a vessel for His work, and fill him with the spirit and power of Elijah. He did it with John, and He will do it again. The question is, whether or not this event will be separate or inclusive of the role of one of the 2 witnesses in Revelations.
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 20, 2007 23:38:52 GMT -5
We must allow the Bible to answer itself in these and all matters of Doctinal truth, or we will be lead astray with private interpretations. In Revelation 11:3-12, we find the great prophecy of God's two witnesses. "These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4). We know that a lamp is a symbol for the Word of God, "Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path" (Psalm 119:105). When Zechariah sees two olive trees in vision, he asks the angel what they represent. "Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord[The Old and New testament]" (Zechariah 4:6). It also takes the olive oil of the Spirit to illuminate the lamp of God's Word. Revelation warns what will happen to those who would harm God's two witnesses, the Holy Bible. "If anyone wants to hurt them fire proceeds out of their mouths and devours their enemies." This happened in the experiences of both Elijah and Moses. Fire came down from heaven on the Egyptians as they pursued God's children and it consumed the sons of Aaron. It also consumed the soldiers when they challenged Elijah. In addition, "These have the power to shut up heaven so no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over water to turn them to blood." Did Elijah pray and the rain stop? Did Moses pray and the water turn to blood? So again we see why God likens the two witnesses, His Word, to the ministry of Moses and Elijah. Then, as if the endorsement of Moses and Elijah was not enough, a cloud overshadows the mountaintop and the voice of the Almighty is heard saying, "This is My beloved Son, Hear Him." The Bible says, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established" (1 Corinthians 13:1). On the Mount, two humans redeemed by Christ testify He is the Messiah, and of course, the third is the voice of God Himself! And what better confirmation of truth could God have offered—the lawgiver and the greatest prophet and His own audible testimony? In effect Moses says, "This is the One." Elijah says, "This is the One." Then God Almighty says, "This is the One." Since we are talking about the end-times, it's important to look at one crucial issue that's causing much confusion. In Revelation 11, we read about two witnesses. "And I'll give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." Please note this doesn't say these two witnesses will only prophesy for 1,260 days, for witnesses for God witness all the time. This of course, refers to the Dark Ages from AD 538 to 1798, when the law and the prophets, the Bible, was obscured. There are many good Christians out there who believe that in the last days, Moses and Elijah will literally come down to the earth again to preach, only to be killed and lay in the streets for three-and-a-half days. It's a half-truth, because the two witnesses, the Word, is symbolized by Moses and Elijah. But these two men of God are in heaven with their glorified bodies, and the Bible doesn't tell us that He wants two others to step down from heaven to be killed. Moses and Elijah will not be coming back to earth in this way. www.amazingfacts.org/items/Read_Book.asp?SelLang=en&ID=80&x=14&y=9TrustandObey
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Post by bounbough on Jun 21, 2007 3:30:15 GMT -5
Dear TrustandObey,
You misunderstand me. I am not disputing the ministry of the two witnesses. The fact is that nobody in the Bible has ever descended down to earth from heaven. John was Elijah, yet John didn’t descend from heaven to announce the first advent of the Lord. Jesus is the only one that we know of for sure who will ‘descend’ from heaven above. Albeit, seeing that Enoch and Elijah never suffered a physical death, there is scope for that possibility. Furthermore, one can’t categorically affirm that the coming of Elijah coincides with the ministry of two witnesses. One can’t link prophecy by signs. There is a significant difference between calling fire down from heaven and breathing fire out of one’s mouth. Would you have known who John was by sings? No. The two witnesses could be apostles or prophets. It is wrong to make assumptions like “he breathed fire” he must be a prophet, or “he cast a mountain into the sea” he must be an apostle. Like John, God will send one in the spirit and power of Elijah to annouce the return of Christ. The two witnesses come later.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 21, 2007 19:45:59 GMT -5
I see the two witnesses in Rev 11, but what about the angel in Rev 10?. Angel means messenger, that couldn't be Elijah could it? Fwiw: I believe we are approaching the sixth seal of Rev 6:12 as far as prophecy goes.
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 21, 2007 23:04:36 GMT -5
Angel does mean "messenger" - The message comes from "God" to "Jesus" to the "angel" to whosoever is faithful "obedient to the calling" Revelation 10 is about a Book being open "What Book" is it.
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
The Book is the Book of Daniel, and the knowledge is the return of understand of prophetic history by the types and symbols Thu Daniel 12. It is true that knowledge [Technical] will increase in the End, but the sequence is right after the unsealing of the Book, which means the understand of Daniel will return. "which it has" run to and fro through the Bible to discover truth, Bible knowledge has never been so open. Every House can have a Bible, schools and colleges, never in world history has this been so.
The Bible tells you who the angel unsealed the book to, and who received it. "who they are": Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman,[church] and went to make war[presecuted] with the remnant [small] of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. What is the Testimony of Jesus Christ - The Bible tells us, it will be the people that have the knowledge of the little unsealed book. Rev 19:10 and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Daniel it the template to all world prophecy, and this church will teach and preach prophetic truth of Daniel and the three angels message - to worship God [return to the Law of God] - come out of false teaching Churches - do not take the Mark of Satan's kingdom "counterfeit religious system".
This unsealing happened in 1839, for the preaching of Daniel 2,7,9 started by three pastors in three different parts of the World without knowledge of each other. It was the preaching of the second advent of Jesus Christ. No church wanted to hear the message of the return of the Lord, so the message went to the street, tent meetings etc. It was known as the advent movement which was a world wide movement. Not just here in the United States.
This came about by an interesting event in 1833, which these mean searched out and found that the six seal broke in 1755.
What was that event?
SIXTH SEAL (Rev 6:12) The Great Lisbon earthquake hit November 1, 1755.[this was no ordinary earthquake] The sun and Moon darkened on may 19, 1780. They called it the Egyptian Darkness, at 10:am it started, that Evening the Moon came up as blood.
The Stars fell from Heaven November 13, 1833, for 4 hours, approx 200,000 per hour, you could read a newspaper by it. Note: normally they fall random through our Atmosphere, but this event all came from one central point. men started to search the scriptures to understand this event and why!
The Six seal correlates to the church of PHILADELPHIA
PHILADELPHIA (Rev 3:7) The Great Awakening, A.D. approx 1755 to current times: George Whitfield, Johnathon Edwards, John Wesley, etc., this awakening formed the formation of the Declaration of the United States, a land free to worship without prosecution!
There are three types of interpretation of Revelation, Pretuism, futurism and Historicism.
The Bible is fulfilled Thu out History, most have been taught Revelation is mostly future, which is not true. Revelation is verily fulfilled." History proves this fact very clear" many believe since it has not happened in my lifetime "it must be future"
We are in the last part of the Six seal. Time is short!
TrustandObey
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Post by bounbough on Jun 21, 2007 23:30:06 GMT -5
Re The sixth seal: 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Read the woes of the sixth seal. Has every island and mountain been moved out of place?
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 22, 2007 16:56:39 GMT -5
The Seal's are a process of Time, not a Day. Just like the 7 churches, a process of time. The 7 Seals and the 7 Churches are the same time periods, which are "Historical" time line
Revelation 6:12-18
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Fulfilled, History has proved the fact.
We are in the last part of the Six seal - This has not been fulfilled yet. But very soon!
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The Six seal had to be broken before the Judgment in Heaven was to take place.
Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
What Books?
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Our works are being Judged by the Standard of Judgment, the 10 Commandments.
King David said, Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book
Job said, Job 19:23 Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book
Two types of Books, the Lord has, The Book of remembrance, and the Book of Life.
(1) Malachi 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
A book that has every thought whether good or bad.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
We will be summoned to the Judgment Seat of Christ in the Heavenly, to all those who claimed to be a Christian. Where the Lord will judge our works. The Bible says this is going on NOW!
Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name [why the name] [because our lives are written in a book]before my Father, and before his angels
The Dead are Dead, and in the Grave waiting for the Resurrection to receive our rewards. Our Books [life history] are open, and our lives reviewed before the Lord and His angels to see, if our works equaled our profession.
Remember when the Lord comes at the Second Coming, we receive our rewards, How can that happen, if we have not faced the Judged as the Bible states. Because we where judged before the Coming of the Lord.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
The investigative Judgment is currently going on in Heaven, The beginning of the Six seal Begin the Warning of Daniel 8:14.
TrustandObey
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 22, 2007 17:27:04 GMT -5
In the messages to the 7 Churches, Jesus unfolds the Religious History of the Christian Era.
The 7 Seals unfold the Social History(or political) of the Christian era and trace especially the great apostasy.
The 7 Trumpets depict the Military or Judgment periods in History of the Christian era as it affects Christ's Church!
THE 7 CHURCHES
EPHESUS (Rev 2:1) 1st Century A.D. At Pentecost The Holy Spirit went out with Power.
White Horse (1st Seal Rev 6:1) - The Rider had a Bow and a Crown, and He went forth conquering, representing the Church in its Apostolic Age - White symbolizing purity of faith. Arrow representing the truth to Peirce the Heart. (Bow = Covenant)
SMYRNA (Rev 2:8) A.D. 100 to Constantine, A.D. 313 : Violent persecutions under the Rider's great sword at the hands of Roman Caesars. Romans called Christians the other Jewish sect, Why? Because they kept the Sabbath! Same as the Jews did, Sunday (pagan worship day for Romans) started in this time for some Christians to keep from the prosecutions.
RED HORSE (2nd Seal) Second Horseman portrays conditions under which the Church found itself: THE COLOR RED= BLOOD (DEATH) our Christian Fathers and Sisters gave their lives for the faith of Jesus.
PERGAMOS (Rev 2:12) Constantine to Justinian, A.D. 313-538 : With Constantine the persecutions of Christians slowed, Compromise entered the Church, First Sunday Law 321 A.D.
BLACK HORSE (3rd Seal Rev 6:5) Third horseman portrays the black out of God's truth, shows further corruption of faith, i.e. Sunday blue laws and the formation of the little horn beast.
THYATIRA (Rev 2:18) The Middle Ages to the Reformation, A.D. 538 - 1517 : This is the Church age where the little horn beast ruled the Church, and used its power to dominate any and all who resisted.
PALE HORSE (4th Seal Rev 6:7) Pale, the color of fear and death, Death and Hell follow with him, because the Power behind this system was the Devil. Rev 6:8
SARDIS (Rev 3:1) Post Reformation Period, A.D. 1517-1755 : Given white robes, they wait to be in the resurrection of the righteous.
FIFTH SEAL (Rev 6:9) Under the Alter the Souls, of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: (The Souls of martyrs cried out symbolically to Heaven for Justice (Question did this happen during this church age.) Fox book of Martyrs.
PHILADELPHIA (Rev 3:7) The Great Awakening, A.D. 1755 to current times: George Whitfield, Johnathon Edwards, John Wesly, etc., this awakening formed the formation of the Declaration of the United States, a land free to worship without prosecution!
SIXTH SEAL (Rev 6:12) The Great Lisbon earthquake hit November 1, 1755. The sun and Moon darkened on may 19, 1780. They called it the Egyptian Darkness, at 10:am it started, that Evening the Moon came up as blood. The Stars fell from Heaven November 13, 1833, for 4 hours, approx 200,000 per hour, you could read a newspaper by it. Note: normally they fall random through our Atmosphere, but this event all came from one central point.
LAODICEA (Rev 3:14) 1844 end of Probation (unknown) (Rev 22:11). With the advent movement which was a world wide movement: which rediscovered Daniel 8:14 Unto two thousand and three hundred days: then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. This is the Time of the Investigative Judgment.. A Day equals a year in prophetic time schedules. For the command to restore Jerusalem (457 B.C. + 2300 day/year) = 1844
SEVENTH SEAL (Rev 8:1) THE VERY NEAR FUTURE: There is "Silence in Heaven" because Christ and all the Angels leave the Heavenly courts - They all come to Earth at Christ's second coming. OUR BLESSED HOPE, PLEASE BE READY
THE SEVEN CHURCHES PARALLELED BY THE SEVEN SEALS
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Post by bounbough on Jun 26, 2007 6:48:50 GMT -5
Lisbon earthquake? Brother, we are talking about an earthquake that moves every island and mountain out of place. I never heard of any Lisbon earthquake.
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Post by trustandobey on Jun 26, 2007 11:58:07 GMT -5
The Island and mountains moves when the Heavens are departed, not by an earthquake! The earthquake is at the beginning, followed by the dark day, then the Moon turns red, then the stars fall. [This has happened,]
Then the heavens depart, then the mountains move out of place. The Bible does not say a earthquakes causes the Islands and mountains to move. But the return of the Lord Causes the Heavens to depart then the destruction. Two different events
Look at the sequence of the scripture, the seal is a process of time. not a 24hr period of time
We are in the remaining end of the 6th Seal, History show this
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