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Post by jackjackson on Jun 30, 2007 18:55:51 GMT -5
Josh Williamson has already given this thread the best advice, but I will expand on what he said. The translation can only be as accurate as the accuracy of the manuscript (ie Greek or Hebrew) you have to translate. The King James is a translation (word for word if you like) of the Hebreic text (OT) and byzantine text (some call it received text, or majority text). The NIV uses an Alexandrian (near Egypt) Greek text which Westcott and Hort said was an older text, therefore in their minds more reliable.
The debate has been heavy, but in the research I have done I found that the main argument that the Alexandrian text was older (physically) was true. The paper it was written on was older paper than the majority text; however, this was to be expected based on climate in the one are verses the other. Because of this though, Westcott and Hort claimed that the end of Mark was added by scribes in the majority text. This is a serious charge as the end of the Bible says doing so brings all the plagues of the Book.
History always has a way of finding truth though. It turns out that church Fathers were quoting the end of Mark on their writings, in older writings than even the Alexandrian texts, proving that that end of Mark was in fact part of the original Greek text, not added, as Westcott and Hort suggested. This brings up an even bigger problem for the Alexandrian Text which has therefore "taken away" from the word of God, requiring names to be blotted out of the book of life....not good!
As Josh has said the key here is not "which English Bible should I use" but instead "which Greek text is the correct one, and if Byzantine (received, majority) then we should only use translations made from them alone, not from Alexandrian (NIV) or mixed with various other fragments from who knows where (NASB).
That leaves us with the KJ as far as I have been able to research (or even Comfortable King James that Ray Comfort wrote).
But as I have been stating in several posts, please go back and study the Bible in its original language which God sought to write it in. Beware of commentaries, even from popular Pastors and Teachers. Dig deep Brthren into the Word of God, in its orginal forms (Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic) and learn to really divide the word. You may be surprised what you find, as I have been. Finally, may the Holy Spirit be you teachers as you venture to try this, not the teachings of men. We will all stand alone at judgment, and saying that we had believed "(fill in your favorite teacher)" interpretation will not be an accepted excuse.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jun 30, 2007 20:27:53 GMT -5
I say they make a new english translation that is translated from the Septuagint for the O.T. and from the Textus Receptus for the N.T. This, I believe, would bring forth the best English translation EVER...
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Post by matthew7 on Jun 30, 2007 21:03:57 GMT -5
My Christian friends,
The KJV is the only true Bible in English that can be rightly divided and not contradict itself! All the others fail this test! In fact, compare in the NIV Isaiah 14:12 with 2 Peter 1:19. The NIV is a "New Age" abomination for the Now World Order, and a one world religion that worships the devil.
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! NIV
2 Peter 1:19
19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. NIV
The NIV is actually used by "Luceriferians" in their worship because it down grades Jesus, and put the devil in the place of Christ! It is a PERVERSION! People that use this version may be very sincere, but it will lead to SINcere if they are not careful and get the only Bible for English speaking people, the KJV.
I want Jesus Christ in my heart, and I know that all of you do too. But almost all of the new versions are the same. In fact the NKJV actually is bold enough to print the "Lucerferian LOGO" right on the front cover. That is openly blasphemous!
Jesus Christ is the Morning Star, and that is who is in my heart!
Rev 2:28 28 And I will give him the morning star . KJV
Rev 22:16 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star . KJV
Matthew
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Post by bounbough on Jul 1, 2007 10:07:47 GMT -5
Amen to that Brother!
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Post by blynn on Jul 1, 2007 15:36:05 GMT -5
Rev. K www.scionofzion.com/septuagint1.htm From what I read here the Suptuagint is a hoax.The canon was never closed till after the New Testament which I believe to be true because God is bigger than the Pope, the Vatican and the British Museum.God would never allow something to be withheld from us that He wanted us to have.Why would He allow that? The answer is, is that He didn't. Different translations are man's fault but there has always been and always will be the unadulterated word of God.That's just what I believe.When in doubt it's always better to go the way of faith.Otherwise we are double minded and unstable in all our ways.God is not the author of confusion but of peace.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jul 1, 2007 16:59:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't believe that article for a second. The Septuagint is not a "hoax." It WAS written around 300 B.C. and it was what Jesus and the apostles quoted from. How else can you explain their quotes from the O.T. matching up to it, but yet not matching up to the O.T. you have in your Bible? I have never heard of anyone saying that the Septuagint is a "hoax." That is just plain silly...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jul 1, 2007 17:33:09 GMT -5
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Post by blynn on Jul 1, 2007 21:10:52 GMT -5
Rev.K You'll have to read this for yourself for a full explanation: www.scionofzion.com/septuagint1.htm Here's proof that God preserves His word: www.greatsite.com/ancient-rare-bibles-books/platinum.html Your better off referring to this: www.thedcl.org/bible/gb/index.html Except stay away from the apocrypha.I would like to buy a Geneva bible.I believe these translations were from the Textus receptus.Textus receptus means " recieved text"--- that says volumes to me. Jesus said not one jot or tittle shall pass away till all be fulfilled refering to the Hebrew. Only Hebrew has jots and tittles, not the Greek.Which means that the canon was not closed before the time of Jesus and his disciples.The word Septuigant means "seventy" .They claim that seventy scholars translated these books in seventy days.Problem is it contains the apocrypha according to your websight http://www.septuigant.com: Also I do not believe that the canon was closed before the time of Christ or the disciples.God would not allow that.These are sacred books and I believe God protected them just like He protected the ark of the covenant and still is until the time appointed. What a testimony to have museums like "Ink & Blood".Also this sight here where these bibles have been preserved: www.greatsite.com/ancient-rare-bibles-books/platinum.html Only God could allow such a thing.That's truly a miracle!!!
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Post by matthew7 on Jul 2, 2007 20:02:49 GMT -5
THE SEPTUAGINT HOAX OR FACT?
1) First off all modern Bibles are based off of this text. That should make anybody question, why the switch?
2) The Septuagint claimed to have been written in 285-246BC. And some of the changes are noted in New Testament Greek that reflect Jesus and the disciples refering to certains language specific word and phrases known only to the Septuagint. This is what gives it creditworthy standing with most scholars (that favor non- KJV sources). However, the New Testament was tampered with in Alexandria, Egypt by Origen in the 200's AD. It could very well be that Origen made the Septuagint (OT) to back up the PAGAN BLASPHEMIES that he placed into the wicked perversion of the NT that he made. Origen's NT is the predecessor to the Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, and Alexandrian texts, also called the minority texts. In fact, this is what most conservative scholar's believe and have written much on the subject.
3) If the Septuagint is correct (which it is not) than the KJV is no good, and all the Pagan filth that has been brought into the church by Satan is okay! Now you know why the apostates love the big lie about the septuagint, because it helps them feel good about their pagan (Gnosticism) which they call evangelical Christianity. They hate fundamentalists that stick to the pure word of God.
4) The history of the corruptions to the Northern stream of texts, or the Majority texts, are well documented. The Southern stream Alexandria, Egypt is where all the pagan Greecian philosophy crept into Christianity, in the 200's - 400's AD. The basic corruptions began with Origen when he obtained the pure Word of God from Antioch (Northern Stream). He then made changes to the divinity of Jesus Christ, making Him one of the lessor gods of Greecian Philosophy, (this is where Jehovah Witnesses get their bible from, and their doctrine) and it was the start of the veneration and exaltation of Sunday worship, at that time a purely pagan day to worship the sun god Jupiter, and Hercules! Many other pagan festivals (Easter, December 25th worship of Tammuz) etc.. got their origin as well.
5) God has promissed to provide mankind the pure word forever. He has kept His Word and we have the KJV in English.
Psalm 12:6-7
6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. KJV
Job 11:4
4 For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure , and I am clean in thine eyes. KJV
Matthew
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Post by danlirette on Jul 2, 2007 20:30:19 GMT -5
Here's a new twist...
The Bible was originally written in Hebrew, NOT Greek.
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By Rabi Stanley Chester (Messianic Jew)
What language was the Brit Hadasha (New Testament) written in? Most people will tell you it was written in Greek. They go on to tell you that it was the "language of the day". They say everything during that time was written in Greek and that everybody also spoke Greek, including the Jews of HaAretz (The Land). Let's find out if this is indeed the truth.
First we have to look at a couple of facts. One fact is that we have a transcript of the Book of Matthew in Aramaic and Hebrew, which predates any manuscripts we have in Koinia Greek. (Koinia Greek was the Greek in Rome at the time of Yeshua. It is from the Koinia Greek that we have our current translations - the ones they say are the originals). This fact alone has to make us rethink if Greek was indeed the original language of the New Testament. It obviously wasn't. Another fact is that when we read in Josephus Wars 5:9:2 (Josephus lived during the time of Yeshua and even references Him as well as John the Baptist) we see that Josephus testifies that the people didn't even understand Greek. He had to translate what the Greek speaking Romans had to say to the Jews in order for them to surrender. In other words... they didn't know Greek!
We also have to look at New Testament passages themselves. We see that when Yeshua stopped Shaul (Saul) He didn't speak to him in Greek but rather Aramaic (which is very similar to Hebrew). He didn't speak to him in Greek at all and we know that Paul DID speak Greek. We also have to understand a little about Jewish culture here. Hebrew has always been considered a "Holy language". The Scribes in Israel during the New Testament era also believed this. Writings that were considered to be holy were written in Hebrew, this was a given. Why would Holy Writ be done in a language of the pagans? Sure, later on there would be copies written in Greek for those who spoke Greek as their first language.
Another thing I hear often concerning this is that the New Testament was written in Greek so that the Jews of the Diaspora would be able to understand it as they all spoke Greek. This shows a lack of Jewish culture and understanding. Any Jew would know that Hebrew was taught to the Jews of the Diaspora. It was necessary in order to read the Old Testament in its original language! The letters that Paul wrote were to saved Jews in the synagogues in the Diaspora, Jews who knew Hebrew. That's not all.
Dr Robert Lindsey, who was my pastor when I was growing up in Israel, translated the book of Mark from Greek into Hebrew. He discovered something rather interesting. He found that when he read the translation in Hebrew rather then from Greek, it made more sense. It wasn't as disjointed as it was in Greek, rather it began to flow and many of the things that were written even had more meaning to the Hebrew ear.
Even the Church Fathers attest to this over and over again:
Papias (150-170 C.E.) Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. (quoted by Eusebius Eccl. Hist. 3:39)
Ireneus (170 C.E.) Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. (Irenaeus; Against Heresies 3:1)
Origen (c. 210 C.E.) The first [Gospel] is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterwards an emissary of Yeshua the Messiah, who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew. (quoted by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 6:25)
Eusebius (c. 315 C.E.) Matthew also, having first proclaimed the Gospel in Hebrew, when on the point of going also to the other nations, committed it to writing in his native tongue, and thus supplied the want of his presence to them by his writings. (Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 3:24)
Epiphanius (370 C.E.) They [the Nazarenes] have the Gospel according to Matthew quite complete in Hebrew, for this Gospel is certainly still preserved among them as it was first written, in Hebrew letters. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29:9:4)
Jerome (382 C.E.) “Matthew, who is also Levi, and from a tax collector came to be an emissary first of all evangelists composed a Gospel of Messiah in Judea in the Hebrew language and letters, for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed, who translated it into Greek is not sufficiently ascertained. Furthermore, the Hebrew itself is preserved to this day in the library at Caesarea, which the martyr Pamphilus so diligently collected. I also was allowed by the Nazarenes who use this volume in the Syrian city of Borea to copy it. In which is to be remarked that, wherever the evangelist... makes use of the testimonies
It is undisputable! Of course it was written in Hebrew, as was anything else during that time that was considered Holy. It was all written in Mishnaic Hebrew. There are currently three different kinds of Hebrew. There is Biblical Hebrew, which is what was used in Old Testament times. Then there was Mishnaic Hebrew, which is where we get our modern Hebrew block letters from (called Mishnaic as it was during the time of the compilation of the Mishna, the Oral Law) and modern Hebrew which is what is spoken in Israel today. Mishnaic Hebrew was the common language of the time and Mishnaic Hebrew is what the New Testament was written in. Not Greek! Why is this important? Because it shows that the Greek manuscripts that we use are... a translation.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jul 2, 2007 22:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by blynn on Jul 3, 2007 8:20:10 GMT -5
Amen! I was never King James only but I am now.This is very important to know because we are not to add to or take away from God's word or our names will be taken from the Lambs book of life.God's word is pure and undefiled preserved for generations.Make no mistake about it!
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Post by danlirette on Jul 3, 2007 8:59:56 GMT -5
Blynn, your words seem to (I may be misreading them) imply that those who are not KJO will be blotted out of the Book of Life; this is a fallacy and cannot be mainatined as true, as Salvation is through the Precious Blood of the Lamb alone.
I read only the KJO and no other version; however, I find that the KJO camp is filled with a "we're right/you're wrong" mentality without basing their arguments on Truth with compassion; most, not all, are they who love to teach but cannot be taught.
The Lord is not pleased with the KJO camp as a whole, as they do not represent the Compassion and Grace of Jesus Christ, but only their agenda of forcing people, through intimidation and threats of being lost, to read the KJV.
I renounce the false doctrine that says the KJV translators were "inspired" by God as were the original writers of the Scripture; such a teaching is not Biblically based and sounds more Hyper Charismatic, as hyper Charismatics claim inspiration on par with the authors of Scripture.
I believe it would do well for our KJO Brethren to pray and fast before speaking to non KJO Brethren, as most times their statements are so haughty and mean I can't blame non KJO Brethren for not listening to such individuals who are so filled with hatred it seeps through every word.
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Post by danlirette on Jul 3, 2007 9:05:17 GMT -5
PS: If the manuscripts in Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic are not to be used, why does the KJV state, "Translated out of the original tongue"?
The translators of the KJV were just that: Translators.
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Post by sean on Jul 3, 2007 9:25:16 GMT -5
My Christian friends, The KJV is the only true Bible in English that can be rightly divided and not contradict itself! All the others fail this test! Heb 4:8 in the KJV is a contradiction to what Jesus says and is also just plain wrong. 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. This is certainly translated incorrect and has been translated correctly in the newer versions to say "Joshua". Heb 4:8 in the KJV certainly contradicts Matt 11:28. If you find yourself without the rest that Jesus gives then come to Jesus for salvation.
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Post by blynn on Jul 3, 2007 9:47:43 GMT -5
Dan Ooops! Sorry! I meant the translators of the modern bibles.Thanks for that correction! Another thing I found out is the ONLY WAY you can get a copyright to translate a bible is if you agree to change 30% or more of the bible you are translating.I got this from a baptist pastor of a local church.
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luvofchrist
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Post by luvofchrist on Jul 3, 2007 10:35:59 GMT -5
Those poor people in other countries who can't read King James English or have a KJV Bible....lost! Lost and going to hell! How sad!
Seriously, the vast majority of Christians in the world have never even seen a King James Bible. They have Bibles in their own languages. So, are their Bibles apostate? Are all those Christians who have never laid eyes on a KJV Bible lost?
I'm so sick of "American Brand" Christianity. This kind of nonsense is why the USA is in the state she is in. Too much bickering among the believers about non-essentials and not enough advancement on the enemy.
Some of you people really need a world perspective and stop nit-picking at each other over trivial non-essentials. We're in a battle folks! You guys are like soldiers on the same side sitting in a fox-hole deciding which gun is better to use on the enemy while bullets and bombs are exploding all around you. Just shoot for crying out loud and stop biting and devouring one another!!! You're on the same side!
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Post by blynn on Jul 3, 2007 11:08:41 GMT -5
Luvofchrist Anywho, you are judging us and not getting the spirit of what is being said here.We didn't say or even imply any of the things you are accusing us of and that was made clear in the previous threads. Peace...
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Post by blynn on Jul 3, 2007 11:29:02 GMT -5
Luvofchrist Let me give you a tip.If you want to judge some thing you have to specifically point out what we are doing wrong. Be specific.People will not listen to you otherwise.Your just blowing hot air. And like you said we don't want to waste precious time for the kingdom of God.If this is not the thread for you than you should probably not be on this thread.Again that would mean you are wasting your time for the kingdom of God and we all know how you said you don't want to do that right?
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Jul 3, 2007 11:39:27 GMT -5
Those poor people in other countries who can't read King James English or have a KJV Bible....lost! Lost and going to hell! How sad! Seriously, the vast majority of Christians in the world have never even seen a King James Bible. They have Bibles in their own languages. So, are their Bibles apostate? Are all those Christians who have never laid eyes on a KJV Bible lost? I'm so sick of "American Brand" Christianity. This kind of nonsense is why the USA is in the state she is in. Too much bickering among the believers about non-essentials and not enough advancement on the enemy. Some of you people really need a world perspective and stop nit-picking at each other over trivial non-essentials. We're in a battle folks! You guys are like soldiers on the same side sitting in a fox-hole deciding which gun is better to use on the enemy while bullets and bombs are exploding all around you. Just shoot for crying out loud and stop biting and devouring one another!!! You're on the same side! luvofchrist, I agree with most of this comment. But, the main ones arguing this thread is not from USA. Please look at the comments made previously. And yes America is in an evil state. And I have heard ministers state that GOD HAS FORSAKEN AMERICA. But does not the Bible teach us where sin abound GRACE MUCH MORE ABOUNDS. luvofchrist, you accuse the American Church of bickering one against another instead of fighting the true enemy. But your comment shows that you are doing the same. For you have taken time out to give your understanding of this, instead of going to war against the enemy. Just my observation
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Post by 1611isperfect on Jul 3, 2007 16:43:41 GMT -5
;D Praise GOD for that, brother.
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Post by sean on Jul 3, 2007 17:26:18 GMT -5
My Christian friends, The KJV is the only true Bible in English that can be rightly divided and not contradict itself! All the others fail this test! Heb 4:8 in the KJV is a contradiction to what Jesus says and is also just plain wrong. 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. This is certainly translated incorrect and has been translated correctly in the newer versions to say "Joshua". Heb 4:8 in the KJV certainly contradicts Matt 11:28. If you find yourself without the rest that Jesus gives then come to Jesus for salvation.
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Post by matthew7 on Jul 3, 2007 17:35:30 GMT -5
Sean,
The translation in the KJV of Jesus and not Joshua is correct. This can easily be proved from the original Greek and from Biblical context. Let us start from context first.
Heb 4:1-2 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. KJV
Who is "his" rest talking about in Hebrews 4:1? It is talking about Jesus Christ!
Matt 11:28
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest . KJV
The entire book of Hebrews is talking about Jesus Christ as our High Priest. Chapter 4 is stating a fact about Jesus not changing the day of worship which was established from the creation of the earth! In verse 8 of chapter 4 we see that Jesus Christ would have told us to worship on a different day since He had Three and a half years to do so! But Jesus did not change, why? Because Jesus Christ is the Creator and He does not change! He can not change, because He is perfect! Perfection can not change, it is perfect! Malachi 3:6 "...I change not!"
Jesus Christ therefore, did not change the Seventh Day Sabbath (Saturday) into the official day of worship, that the wicked pagans that were around Israel kept in honor of "Baal-hadad" the "sun god" (the devil). That would be a sin to break His own law, of which He did nothing of the sort! He is our Savior from sin! Not our enabler to continue to sin!
Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. KJV
1 John 3:4-5
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.KJV
James 2:10
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.KJV
Please remember that there were two laws that governed Israel in the Old Testament. The ceremonial laws of Moses, that dealt with circumcision, and how to kill lambs for thier sacrifices in the old Jewish sanctuary system, and then there was the Ten Commandment law of God (Exodus 20:1-17).
These laws were different in that one is the eternal moral law of God, and the other was a system of teaching parables that taught about the coming Messiah. The Messiah was to die like a lamb and the Jews were to kill lambs when they sinned to remember that their Savior was to die for them. When Jesus Christ was killed as the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world, the Jews were supposed to understand that the laws that talked about killing lambs were to be done away with at the cross!
Does anybody believe that God got rid of: 1) Thou shalt not kill? 2) Or thou shalt not commit adultery? 3) Or how about thou shalt not steal? Well, in fact God did not get rid of the law, but rather He increased our understanding about it (Matthew 5:17&28), and God told us that was one of the things the Messiah was to do. Isaiah 42:21 says He would make the law honorable! But the apostate Christians hate Gods law and try to get rid of it! The only law that is done away with is the ceremonial law of Moses and the killing of lambs etc... Jesus Christ did not change the 4th commandment! Remember the Sabbath Day! The very commandment that God told us to remember, His people hate and despise, and refuse to honor! But in the judgment we will see! Gods law is holy! Romans 7:12!
Look at what Paul said!
1 Cor 7:19
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. KJV
Circumcision was a ceremonial law, and that is done away with! But the keeping of the commandments of God, that is eternal!
The Seventh Day sabbath will be kept in the New Heaven and New Earth! Isaiah 66:22&23
Isa 66:22-23
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. KJV
Matthew
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Post by josh on Jul 4, 2007 2:48:07 GMT -5
That's peter ruckman isn't it? If it is I have a video of his, and I highly recommend that NO ONE watches it! It is because of his lack of Christian love that there are so many people against the KJV today.
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Post by bounbough on Jul 4, 2007 4:33:46 GMT -5
Youtube has been banned in Thailand so i can't watch it, what's it about? what's the theme?
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jul 5, 2007 1:35:41 GMT -5
I never stated that at all! Yes. Instead of sending them trashy versions send them a KJB. Again I say a big NO! Non essentials Since when was the Bible a non essential? Ah shut your mouth. Goodnight man. Don't give me this nonsense. Yes we are on the same-side but you have these hypocritical liars in the battle who don't know what the Word of God is. They would prefer to use a butter-knife instead of a sword! Indeed it is. What video is that you are talking about? Josh, that is just an excuse people make. He has enough love to show you the truth. Bro Ruckman shows us why the KJB 1611 is The Word of God!
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djpray
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Post by djpray on Jul 6, 2007 1:01:06 GMT -5
Jonathan in response to "Seriously, the vast majority of Christians in the world have never even seen a King James Bible. They have Bibles in their own languages. So, are their Bibles apostate?"
you wrote: "Yes. Instead of sending them trashy versions send them a KJB."
Jonathan, I have been serving here in the Philippines as a missionary for around 14 years now. Most of the people we minister to do not speak or read English very well. Hence we are using Bibles in their own language....which are obviously not KJB. What would you suggest missionaries such as myself do? Would you suggest the following:
1) Prioritize teaching the native people how to read and understand English
2) After several years of getting them to understand regular English, then we need to teach them to understand "King James English". This would likely take another year or two.
3) After getting all the locals to understand English and King James English, then we should import or purchase a pile of KJB's for them to use so that they would have "The Bible" in their hands.
Do you think that is what missionaries around the world should do? Since you seem to believe that the Bibles translated into other languages (other than English) are apostate. What are your thoughts on this issue?
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jul 7, 2007 3:05:30 GMT -5
Praise the Lord!
Are they translated from the KJB or from the other versions?
If they are translated from the KJB they are better then the other versions but not perfect.
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Post by matthew7 on Jul 9, 2007 20:16:03 GMT -5
My Christian brethern,
Ps 12:6-7
6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. KJV
My friend is from the Phillipines, I will ask him if there is a KJV equivalent, as there is in most countries. We have to be careful, because that low creature, the devil has spread the wicked bibles all over as well.
Actually, I just called him and he thinks they have a NIV translation. But seek and ye shall find! Pray and fast for God to help you with that issue! The Holy Spirit will work with what you have, but it is hard to get into the deep things of scripture with the false bibles!
Matthew
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Post by bounbough on Jul 9, 2007 20:32:48 GMT -5
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, In light of the scriptures below, ask yourself this question: Is your righteousness through "the faith of Christ" OR through your own faith "in Christ".
The Word of God: (Phil 3:9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
NIV: Phil3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.
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