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Post by Kerrigan on Nov 13, 2007 22:06:55 GMT -5
What do you guys say the ministry of the Holy Spirit is?
What is His purpose in the life of an unbeliever?
What is His purpose in the life of a believer?
What is His part in conversion?
Please share your thoughts...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Nov 13, 2007 22:34:08 GMT -5
1. To convince us of what we have done wrong, how we should live, and of our moral accountability:
John 16:8 "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment."
2. To teach us what is right:
John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth".
Joh 15:26 "even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
3. To encourage us or strengthen us:
Eph 3:16 "to strengthen with might by His Spirit in the inner man".
4. To comfort us:
Joh 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father"
5. To give us supernatural power or spiritual gifts:
Luk 24:49 "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father unto you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high."
6. To be our leader:
Rom 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
Gal 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."
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So in summary, the Spirit is to correct us, teach us, strengthen us, comfort us, empower us, and to lead us.
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Post by joem on Nov 14, 2007 7:36:27 GMT -5
1. To convince us of what we have done wrong, how we should live, and of our moral accountability:John 16:8 "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." 2. To teach us what is right:John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth". Joh 15:26 "even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me." 3. To encourage us or strengthen us:Eph 3:16 "to strengthen with might by His Spirit in the inner man". 4. To comfort us:Joh 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father" 5. To give us supernatural power or spiritual gifts:Luk 24:49 "And, behold, I send the promise of my Father unto you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be endued with power from on high." 6. To be our leader:Rom 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Gal 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." -------------------------------------- So in summary, the Spirit is to correct us, teach us, strengthen us, comfort us, empower us, and to lead us. I would add that the Holy Spirit is our direct connection with God. It is by the Spirit that we experience a communion with God that otherwise we could not experience. David equated the indwelling of the Holy Spirit with being in the presence of God. Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. The "earnest" we recieve is a down payment on the perfect communion we will have with God in Heaven. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by trustandobey on Nov 14, 2007 8:20:27 GMT -5
Quote" Gal 5:18 "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law." "in of Quote"
If we are led by the Spirit of God, we are not under the curse of the Law [Moral Law] for we are keeping the Law {teaching us and Leading us to keep all 10 Commandments as a result of conversation of Grace}. The Holy Spirit gives us the Power (eph 3:7) to Keep His Law by our choice [Rev 22:14][Isaiah 1:19] to follow God by faith. (Rom 4:11)
1) The Law points our our sin (Rom 3:20)
2) It made sin "exceeding sinful" (Rom 7:13)
3) The Law points us to Christ (Rom 8:3)
4) Christ gave power to obey the Law (Rom 8:4)
5) In Christ we are no longer under the Law, but under Grace (Rom 6:14)
6) To be under the Law means to be guilty of Breaking It (Rom 3:19) (1 John 3:4) for sin is the transgression of the Law
7) Through accepting the death of Jesus we are dead to the law because we are no longer breaking it, and it does not condemn us. (Rom 7:4)
In Galatians 5:19 - explains Verse (18) if ye be led by the Spirit of God,
We will not be - fornicators, Adulterer's, works of uncleanness, serving pleasures of this world, Idolatry, (breaking the first 4 commandments) Envyings, murders, drunkenness. etc.
Which define Breaking the Law of God, the 10 Commandments.
Because the Fruit of the Spirit, is Love, (If ye Love me Keep my Commandments) which means Love God with all your heart, mind, soul strength. And Love your neighbour as yourself.
Love God = keeping by faith the First four commandments. Love Neighbour = keeping by faith the last 6 commandments.
God defines love, we do not!
The fruit of the Spirit is Love. [If ye love me, keep my Commandments] To God, and our neighbour. Micah 6:8 - What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humblywith thy God.
Joy, Means (we put first Jesus, Others, Youselves) Matt 6:33
Peace, (blessed are the peacemakers:: for they shall be called the children of God.) Only the Bible can define its peace. [Ps 119:165 - Great peace have they which Love Thy Law: and nothing shall offend them]
Isa 26:12 - Lord, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.
God's Law defines His Character, We give Glory to God by faith when we keep His Law, by His Power, which shows the Work of the Holy Spirit in us . Amen
Longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith (Without which we cannot please the Lord)
Meekness (Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth) - Ps 37:34 - Wait on the Lord, and keep his way (Ps 119:1-3), and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land:
Ps 37:11 - But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of Peace. [What is peace]
Isaiah 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Dan 7:27 - And the Kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him
Temperance: 2 Peter 1:5 - Add to your faith virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance: and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness Charity;
Against such there is no Law. [Which explains the 5 fold ministry (eph 4:11-13) sanctification by God's power to perfection. Amen] 1 Peter 1:2
Because we are keeping the Moral Law of God, which produces the Work of the Spirit. Amen
Because - they that are Christ's have crucified the Flesh with the affections and lusts. (Rom 7:7) Which is only defined by the Law of God
Then the Conclusion of this Matter of the Spirit, and no Law :
If we live in the Spirit, let us also "walk" in the Spirit.
Very clear, This is keeping by faith out of choice to Serve our Lord, The 10 Commandments which includes the 4th -7th day sabbath. In His strengh and Power, as a result of Salvation. Amen
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Post by Kerrigan on Nov 14, 2007 9:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by trustandobey on Nov 14, 2007 9:48:42 GMT -5
Mr. Website bully is up to his insults again! Cannot stand the Heat of the Truth of Scripture which shows us Sin. [Has to put away the Law by Grace, grace, less they be converted]{Matt 13:15}
For the Law is the Schoolmaster to bring us to Jesus. which includes the 4th Commandment - 7th day Sabbath. Which starts with Remember. The Holy Spirit leads us to ALL truth, just not the truth we want to believe by our traditions or church opionons over the clear Law of God. [Matt 15:3]
Jesus is looking for converts back to Him! which He is pesty, because He loves us so much! And wants us in Heaven. But sadly Jesus says: Narrow is the Way, and few will find it. Broad is the Way to destruction, which has many.[Matt 7:14] Because they Work Lawlessness. Matthew 7:21-23]
Breaking anyone of the commandments by choice. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The Holy Spirit LEDs us through sanctification process "Thu the fire" to destroy Self, and Lawlessness [For a sinnless society is coming] . And wants us to establish His Covanent in our Hearts by His Power. Amen. [Heb 10:16]
Which is His Law. We walk by faith, not by sight
Matt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Do they teach and keep the Law of God in God's Power to do so! (isa 42:21) (Rom 3:31; 8:4), or do they teach otherwise to fill there own lust [will]. [Matt 5:19]
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Post by Kerrigan on Nov 14, 2007 9:57:37 GMT -5
You really are delusional enough to think that I am under conviction aren't you? I really just pity you more than anything else...that you are so blind!
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Post by trustandobey on Nov 14, 2007 10:06:05 GMT -5
Your communication skills mark you well.
Does God's Grace lead people to break God's Law or does the Holy Spirit led us to a close relationship with the Lord, by His power to give us strengh to keep His Law, to be without sin! In His presence
Or are we just helpless souls without a master in us to give us strengh to defeat the Devil and Sin.
Who is stronger MR. REV K - the Devil and sin.
Or the Lord by Grace [His blood] to have victory from sin and over sin and satan in the Flesh. today.
Who's Character do we represent - Weekness or strengh - who's God do we show in our lives. satan or Jesus
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;[What is light - The Law of God, Prov 6:23, Ps 119:105] - Which is our High Calling [Phil 3:14]
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Post by joem on Nov 14, 2007 10:26:29 GMT -5
The SDA's have abandoned Christ for a shadow in the past that was never cast upon them. You are deceived and have chosen to esteem a day of rest over Jesus who can give you true rest. Surely there must be an Ellen White fan club site somewhere for you to spread your poison, but this is not the place you will find a sympathetic ear.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Rev has thought enough of you to respond to your clanging symbols, which have been ignored like spam by the rest of us, so I can't imagine why he would upset you. In this one and only response I will give you, I urge you to repent, deny yourself, pick up your cross daily and follow Jesus into the presence of God. He will not judge you according to your adherence to your false prophetess, or your sabbath obsession, but He will judge you according to your faithfulness to Him.
Grace and Peace, Joe
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Post by trustandobey on Nov 14, 2007 10:39:16 GMT -5
Lets look at the bigger picture, which your verse quoted, you used to take a commandment from God out of the Law the 10 Commandments. ( I quess you only have to obey 9, a 10% discount by the Blood of Jesus.)
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances[Moral Law are not ordinances] that was against us[The Moral law is against us, OK, it is OK to steal? Right], which was contrary to us[Yes freedom to break the Moral Law. [Moral Kaos], and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [ Yes the Lord died on the Cross so we then had authority to break His Law.] Would you send your only son for this.!
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [Plural, these are the Feast days, Numbers 29] this is not the 4th commandment sabbath. I am sorry
17 Which are a shadow of things to come;[ The Sabbath was created in Eden, Gen 2:1 before sin, which we did not need any shadows] but the body is of Christ.
The ceremonial Law where the Shadows.
Deut 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Is not the Moral Law In the Ark, not on its side.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments [Another Law system] contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
The Sabbath of the Lord is the 4 Commandment "not a ceremonial day" Set apart for Holy use commanded by the Lord who Love Him. enough to obey him out of faith and strengh in Jesus. Amen
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Post by Kerrigan on Nov 14, 2007 13:40:15 GMT -5
Anyway, so let's get back on topic. Anyone besides the cult members have anything to add?
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Post by danlirette on Nov 14, 2007 17:05:06 GMT -5
Anyway, so let's get back on topic. Anyone besides the cult members have anything to add? Brother Kerrigan, even cult members must be shown patience and gentleness, regardless of their hindering the Work of God on the Board; they also need Christ and with words such as this sarcastic remark, how then shall they believe that the Love of God dwells in us? I am learning, the more I have sought to seek God lately, that one wrong word spoken in sarcasm and in a spirit which is fleshly, may destroy even years of Gospel Planting in one's heart. Let us be mindful to love those who we may not see eye to eye with and let us seek to win them to Christ with the Truth spoken in a spirit of compassion that seeks their highest good, whcih is to turn to Jesus. I Love you in Christ, Brother. Dan
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Post by Kerrigan on Nov 14, 2007 17:48:04 GMT -5
I appreciate your words Brother Dan...I really do. However, I was NOT being sarcastic at all. Sorry if it seemed that way. Those are more of a rebuke through hard truth than sarcasm. "trustandobey" is as BLIND as they come brother. He is a legalistic Pharisee who needs a rebuke! So that is what I shall give him, BECAUSE I love him...God Bless...
So, anyway, can we get back on topic now? I really want to study this without the cults interfering...
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Post by danlirette on Nov 14, 2007 19:14:32 GMT -5
The Lord bless you also, Brother Kerrigan. May God continue using your life and Ministry to reach others as He has been! I appreciate you, Brother
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Post by dmatic on Nov 14, 2007 19:46:45 GMT -5
rev. K: some people say this about the Holy Spirit: Anyway....Jesse's answer was very good too. certainly, the Spirit of Truth convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment...for the purpose of leading us into all truth. the conviction of sin is where most seem to have the most trouble following the Spirit, because their deeds are evil, but they want to believe that they are righteous, so they dismiss the Spirit's conviction. So, for example, as trustandobey has tried to show, violation of the 4th commandment is sin. But, people that don't want to obey God's commandments, but rather seek to establish their own righteousness, do not listen to the Holy Spirit's conviction regarding this and pretend that they don't need to keep God's commands. Yet, they want to think they are following the Spirit of God, when they are not. The conviction of sin is, as most of you street preachers know, one of the most contentious of the Spirit's job....becasuse most people do not like to be told they are doing something =wrong. peace, dmatic
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Post by dmatic on Nov 14, 2007 19:50:43 GMT -5
What do you guys say the ministry of the Holy Spirit is? What is His purpose in the life of an unbeliever? What is His purpose in the life of a believer? What is His part in conversion? Please share your thoughts... "rev", I didn't answer your questions....yet...sorry. The Spirit's purpose in the life of an unbeliever is to convict him of sin, which is causing him to miss the road that leads to life. The purpose in the life of a believer is to convcit him of sin which is casuing him to miss the path that leads to life.....and the Spirit's part in conversion is to make the Law magnified because it is the Law that converts the soul. peace, dmatic
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Nov 14, 2007 21:13:50 GMT -5
Reconciling man unto GOD. That is HIS WORK.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Nov 14, 2007 21:17:01 GMT -5
What do you guys say the ministry of the Holy Spirit is? What is His purpose in the life of an unbeliever? What is His purpose in the life of a believer? What is His part in conversion? Please share your thoughts... May I add on all questionable parts here. To reconcile.
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Post by swordsmith on Nov 17, 2007 14:03:33 GMT -5
I see one of the main aspects of the ministy of the Spirit being pointing to, showing and exalting Christ. This is key especially for the life of believers. It's only as we behold the Glory of the Lord, that we can be transformed into His image from glory to glory. If this isn't our main focus, then all our prayer time, scripture reading, evangelizing, and pretty much all external do's will serve no purpose. We are to not focus on our behavior per se, but on the glory of the Lord. It's as we behold Him that we become like Him in our way of thinking, usage of our wills, and expressions of the emotions. Truly it is as we behold Him that we become like Him. This is the role of the Spirit. To glorify Christ. Show us your glory Lord.
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