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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:09:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I've been struggling with this all along. I have to confess, I have become a five point Calvinist. Sorry John and Jesse... Jesse, I am going to have to shut down the Theology Website too...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:14:51 GMT -5
Ah huh.... And I'm really a Muslim!
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:16:43 GMT -5
Ah huh.... And I'm really a Muslim! No really, Abraham's posts and Tony's phone calls...I'm really convinced. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Apr 1, 2008 21:16:44 GMT -5
LOL, thats a good one.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:20:12 GMT -5
huh?
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Post by joeldad on Apr 1, 2008 21:20:48 GMT -5
Hey! What day is it, anyways...?
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:25:04 GMT -5
Hey! What day is it, anyways...? Oh man! Joel, you didn't have to remind them! I think I actually had Jesse going there! HAHAHHAHAHAHA...APRIL FOOLS! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:26:29 GMT -5
That's just not funny.
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:28:24 GMT -5
Yes it is! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Can you hear me laughing and rolling around on the floor Jesse? ;D
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:29:40 GMT -5
I tried to go to the theology website and for some reason it said, "error" and wouldn't let me go to it.
I was about to go wake up John.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Apr 1, 2008 21:30:04 GMT -5
That was pretty funny.
HUH ?
LOL
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:31:48 GMT -5
That's it. Revk is banned, and I'm deleting all of his posts, especially this one.
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:41:47 GMT -5
I tried to go to the theology website and for some reason it said, "error" and wouldn't let me go to it. I was about to go wake up John. Now THAT is FUNNNNYYY! Hey, don't tell John about the joke...in fact, that would be great to tell him about the post without telling him I was joking. Is he in bed already?
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:42:42 GMT -5
That's it. Revk is banned, and I'm deleting all of his posts, especially this one. Hahahaha...I really wanted some Calvinists to see it before I revealed I was joking...then Joel had to go and mess it all up!
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Post by John McGlone on Apr 1, 2008 21:42:50 GMT -5
I have to get over to fishin fools they will love this post ;D No I am not in bed yet....Good night John boy
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:43:54 GMT -5
I have to get over to fishin fools they will love this post ;D John, you should try this over there...or maybe I will. The Doctrine section should be unlocked by now, right?
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:45:29 GMT -5
The doctrine section is still locked up...could post it in the Catch All section... ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:47:36 GMT -5
It is and no one has posted yet! No, it's still locked up brother...
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:52:11 GMT -5
Maybe Jesse should do it. That would be even funnier! ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 21:55:22 GMT -5
Too bad we're the ONLY ONES on the Fishing Fools message board right now...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 1, 2008 21:59:49 GMT -5
Maybe I should tell them that I believe in Exhaustive Foreknowledge....
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Post by joeldad on Apr 1, 2008 22:09:42 GMT -5
Hahahaha...I really wanted some Calvinists to see it before I revealed I was joking...then Joel had to go and mess it all up! Wh-wha-what!? I have no idea what you're talking about!
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Post by abraham on Apr 3, 2008 1:49:39 GMT -5
I erased what I wrote and I've decided to send a personal response to Skelly. What I have to say is not for everyone to read.
God bless you! -Abraham
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 3, 2008 1:59:14 GMT -5
Abraham,
Do you pray prayers such as this:
"Oh, Father, I thank you that you didn't predestine me to believe in Moral Government Open Theism, like you predestined Jesse to believe. I thank you that you didn't predestine me to sin and go to hell like you predestined the majority of mankind to. I thank you for your limited grace, I thank you for your small mercy. I love the doctrine of grace that you made us sinners in the womb, and that you send so many to hell for being what you made them. I love the doctrines of grace, that you command of us to do what you don't give us the ability to do, and threatening us with eternal hell for failure to perform the impossible. What marvelous grace! What blessed truth, that you cause us to sin (through your secret decrees, ssshhh!) and then punish us for it! I just don't understand why everyone else doesn't rejoice at these blessed doctrines of grace like I do? I guess they are all reprobates, and I'm just special."
Why would you be mad at Kerrigan for the joke? It's not like Kerrigan had a free will. God sovereignly predestined that Kerrigan would joke about Calvinism. If a person went as far as to say that Calvinism was stupid, ridiculous, heretical, demonic, and harmful, it would only be because God Sovereignly predestined them to say such things.
And you certainly shouldn't be upset with any of us if we despise and reject Calvinism. God predestined us to despise and reject it. God sovereignly predestined that I would believe in Moral Government Open Theism. How can you be mad at, and get upset over, the sovereign (secret) will of God?
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Post by abraham on Apr 3, 2008 2:28:10 GMT -5
Jesse, I love you and I enjoy discussing theology with you. But, it's near 12am here and I need to wake up early for work.
Just a quick thought for you... Partiality is when you show favor towards someone because you love something about that person which someone else lacked. God does not show partiality when He mercifully Chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. God shows conquering grace to the Elect and common grace to all; and it has nothing to do with "God loved something about me more than you." as you interpret it. God would be just in hating us all and sending us all to hell for our sin. He shows mercy because it brings glory to His name. He did it for His good pleasure and not for our sakes. God didn't give me grace because of any foreseen worth in me. God gave me grace to bring glory to himself. God is not obligated to send anyone a Saviour. But, he did because He is merciful. God is still a God of love if He sends us all to Hell for our sin. God never sent the devils a Saviour and God remained a God of Love who loves his elect angels.
God also predestined me to be grieved at this thread, to right you and Skelly a response, and to go to bed right now because he giveth His beloved sleep. You should get some rest to Jesse. I love you brother! -Abraham
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 3, 2008 7:13:02 GMT -5
Amen Jesse! Why would a Calvinist ever be mad at me for my Theology...or EVEN IF I mocked Calvinism. Since God Sovereignly predestines and controls everything, I am just a puppet in His hands doing His will. So, if you are a Calvinist and you got mad or upset at this post, then you are mad at God, not me! In fact, from your theological perspective, God is controlling you as well, so really God is mad at Himself. This is all just a joke and God is having lots of fun. So you are getting mad at the very thing that God is doing through us. Confused? Yeah, I know, Calvinism is confusing and we all know that God isn't the author of confusion...
In all reality, this was made to be a joke...that's all. Nothing more, nothing less. I personally thought it was really funny that I was able to fool Jesse...at least for a few minutes. I think that maybe Abraham got mad because I mentioned his name in the second thread. As I told Abraham in my PM to him, I didn't use his name as a way to personally mock or insult him or to make fun of his defense of Calvinism on this message board. He is simply the first person that came to mind because of all the posting he has done recently.
Abraham, I totally disagree with your definition of favoritism. Favoritism doesn't require someone loving something more about someone over someone else. In Calvinism, where God arbitrarily picks some people for Heaven and damns some people to Hell is favoritism at it's WORST! How can you be so blind to this fact brother!? Calvinism is the best at making something that is bad look good. They'll say things like "it was God's conquering Grace" and "God is not mad with his own plan", etc. Abraham, you act like these people who were damned to Hell deserve it for being born that way...for God making them that way...I mean it's not like they chose to sin or chose to be the way they are. Calvinism makes God out to be a sinner, because God says that playing favoritism is a sin!
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Post by abraham on Apr 3, 2008 12:54:48 GMT -5
Skelly, I told you that I was not mad at you. Why do you post a response declaring that I am. Is your heart still finding fun in folly? I was grieved. I actually am at peace about all this because I know that God has the power to reveal the truth of His sovereign grace to you and Jesse. I will commit myself to prayer. God is not at fault for withholding grace and deeper truths from you. None of us deserve it. God gives grace because He is gracious and not because there's something in you that deserves more of it. God shows grace to us through the teaching and preaching of His word. I'm not grieved at God's decree for you to have fun in folly and lie about me being mad. I'm grieved at your heart. God's decree will bring glory to Himself. Wrath for the wicked and Mercy for the Elect. It's not about your free will being exalted, it's about God's Name being exalted. Hallelujah! Your only hope is mercy. It's not your running and willpower. Your foolishness will bring shame to yourself.
I don't know why you would pray for me, that I might understand and believe what you do. For you believe that God can't do anything to help me unless I Sovereignly decree it and Elect God to show me grace.
You might as well pray to yourself and expect nothing until I let your prayer be answered. How shall any of your prayers for me avail much. For I determine whether they are answered or not (according to your theology). I get to decide whether God gets to answer your prayer for me. Why pray to God if He has not the power to bring forth what you ask. You might as well pray to me. According to your theology, I'm the one who determines what shall come to pass in my life and not God. You need to be praying to me if you want any of your prayers to avail much. For the god that you have fabricated has no power to answer your prayers for me unless I let him.
No wonder you have no fear or reverence toward God when God says to cease from foolish jesting and making a sport out of your brother. The god you have fabricated is just like you. he cannot do miraculous works upon a soul nor can he show mercy to whom he wills unless he sees that they are worthy of it (that is if they have made good use of their freewill).
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Post by logic on Apr 3, 2008 13:50:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I've been struggling with this all along. I have to confess, I have become a five point Calvinist. Sorry John and Jesse... Jesse, I am going to have to shut down the Theology Website too... Every time I hear somthing like this, I feal like giving them a funeral. Hell every one ;D Thanx Jesse for the invite
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Post by logic on Apr 3, 2008 13:52:24 GMT -5
I meant "Hello every one", not "Hell"
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 3, 2008 13:54:50 GMT -5
Welcome to the boards logic! I look forward to your contribution to the discussions on this board.
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