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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 26, 2006 21:15:09 GMT -5
Court Determines Christian Message on T-Shirt OffensiveNinth Circuit Judge Delivers a Third Strike Against Traditional Values By Jim Brown April 26, 2006 (AgapePress) - A constitutional attorney is denouncing a ruling by a three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that bars a San Diego high school student from wearing a T-shirt displaying Christians messages in opposition to homosexuality. With a 2-1 decision, the Ninth Circuit upheld a lower-court ruling against Chase Harper, who was suspended by Poway High School for wearing a T-shirt displaying the messages: "Homosexuality is shameful" and "Our school embraced what God has condemned." Harper had worn the shirt -- without incident -- during an annual pro-homosexual event in 2004 known as the "Day of Silence." But when he wore it to school the next day and was ordered to remove it, he refused. The lawsuit emerged from that confrontation. FULL ARTICLE HERE headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/262006b.asp
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Post by elwing96 on Apr 26, 2006 21:37:33 GMT -5
Would you want your child going to school with someone wearing a shirt emblazined with a swastika? I'm sorry to go straight for the Nazi parallel, but it's a good one. Both shirts are condemning people for something that is not their fault.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 26, 2006 22:13:08 GMT -5
I wish I could give every public school student from pre-school to seniors in highschool T-Shirts that said, "Homosexuality is shameful" and "Our school embraced what God has condemned."
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Post by Morluna on Apr 27, 2006 0:43:37 GMT -5
I'm actually not sure how I feel about this. I'm all for free speech, but those messages are pretty caustic. I agree with Elwing... sounds a lot like the hate speech of Nazi Germany. Or the KKK, and lots of other groups for that matter. Can't he just wear a tshirt with a cross on it that says, "He died for your sins" or something and leave it at that? I don't wear tshirts saying, "Homosexuality is great and all of you should be gay!" ...although I guess some people would, lol.
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Post by HDmatt on Apr 27, 2006 22:01:37 GMT -5
I'm actually not sure how I feel about this. I'm all for free speech, but those messages are pretty caustic. I agree with Elwing... sounds a lot like the hate speech of Nazi Germany. Or the KKK, and lots of other groups for that matter. Can't he just wear a tshirt with a cross on it that says, "He died for your sins" or something and leave it at that? I don't wear tshirts saying, "Homosexuality is great and all of you should be gay!" ...although I guess some people would, lol. I imagine you probably get tired of being snapped at Morluna but as I have heard and experienced in my talking with people about sins is this: If I paint a broad picture of-- all have sinned is like me telling you everyone at your school slacked off in their studies this week. If I point out YOU have slacked off it makes it personal no doubt, triggering hopefully your attention. This fella coulda painted a broad Jesus saves shirt which is true don't get me wrong, but in addressing the exact issue, he made it personal, hopefully getting their attention. Did he hate homosexuals? Couldn't he have said something derogatory about them personally? Evidence suggest rather he cared enough for them to point out their error in the hopes that God will grant them Godly sorrow(for their sins) which leads to life, rather than worldy sorrow which leads to death. Hope that helped
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Post by evanschaible on Apr 30, 2006 11:20:36 GMT -5
Again, I submit to you that YOU PREACH HATE. You tell people it is alright to live in a shameful asct that God has condemned. You, like the school, embrace what God HAS ALREADY spoken against. You preach hate because you message will send them to the judgment seat still in thier sin, the message of the gospel is the power of salvation to all who will believe and turn from all sin, including homosexuality.
They can definately help being homosexual, if not, why do they TURN FROM THEIR HOMOSEXUALITY WHEN THEY ARE BORN AGAIN?
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Post by elwing96 on Apr 30, 2006 16:41:59 GMT -5
Again, I submit to you that YOU PREACH HATE. You tell people it is alright to live in a shameful asct that God has condemned. You, like the school, embrace what God HAS ALREADY spoken against. You preach hate because you message will send them to the judgment seat still in thier sin, the message of the gospel is the power of salvation to all who will believe and turn from all sin, including homosexuality. They can definately help being homosexual, if not, why do they TURN FROM THEIR HOMOSEXUALITY WHEN THEY ARE BORN AGAIN? Ok. I get what you're saying about preaching hate. However, to a person who is not a Christian, it looks EXTREMELY hateful. Honestly, how many people do you expect to listen to you if you are yelling at them telling them they are going to hell? I've begun to wonder how many people on this board are friends with someone who is not heterosexual. If you want to follow Jesus, you have to be friends with them. Jesus chilled with the sinners. He built up relationships with them and through the relationship showed them his love. If you insist on telling homosexuals they are going to Hell, do it as their friend. Be available if they want to have a philosophical conversation with them, but do not shove religion (which is what it is) down their throats. When all you do is tell a person to repent and don't bother getting to know them, they become incredibly defensive and offended. Love the person for who they are, sin and all. Be honest if you don't agree with their lifestyle, but make it clear that you still love them and desire a friendship with them. Then they will begin to wonder what makes you different from all the other Christians they have met. They will ask questions and then you can tell them whatever you want. But love them. As for the not being homosexual after becoming a Christian, it's not true. Many people still have those desires, but suppress them because they see it as wrong and immoral. It is the same with a person who has engaged in premarital heterosex. They want to have it again, but realize it is "wrong," so don't. It is the same for anyone who has been addicted to anything. You force yourself to abstain from what you desire. If a Christian homosexual said they no longer have those desires, they are probably lying for your benefit.
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Post by lifeandliberty on Apr 30, 2006 16:54:52 GMT -5
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Post by ejuliot on Apr 30, 2006 17:16:53 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 30, 2006 22:40:08 GMT -5
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Post by biblethumper on May 1, 2006 14:38:07 GMT -5
I know a homosexual and have the audio interview....
This guy was "gay" since 1982.
God, in His Grace, called this individual to be Born Again.
He now is Born Again, WITHOUT any denominational preaching leveled at him.
God first came, convicted him and he repented.
Alone.
He kne wit was evil.
Now, he claims to still be tempted and and claims that if he were to give in to such temptation God would damn his soul.
I agree.
Sure, let's say satan still came at a former homosexual and tried pulling him back.
That only means, if the former "gay" person submits to God's Will, that Victory is there!
Temptation is NOT sin; fulfillment is.
You lie, fornicate, steal or live a homosexual lifestyle, you're damned.
Period.
No homosexual has ever gone to Heaven; nor has anyone who has not repented.
Elwig said: As for the not being homosexual after becoming a Christian, it's not true. Many people still have those desires, but suppress them because they see it as wrong and immoral. It is the same with a person who has engaged in premarital heterosex. They want to have it again, but realize it is "wrong," so don't. It is the same for anyone who has been addicted to anything. You force yourself to abstain from what you desire. If a Christian homosexual said they no longer have those desires, they are probably lying for your benefit.
Elwig, I pray that you don't teach that garbage to Christians or seekers.
That's blasphemy!
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Post by elwing96 on May 1, 2006 19:25:51 GMT -5
Wait, thumper are you talking to me? My name is ELWING not elwig..that's just stupid.
thumper...I have one thing to say to you REPENT!!!
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 1, 2006 22:06:23 GMT -5
I know a homosexual and have the audio interview.... Now, he claims to still be tempted and and claims that if he were to give in to such temptation God would d**n his soul. This means that he is still homosexual, but he isn't gay. I believe that I explained the difference somewhere on the forum, but the symmantics aren't particularly important. If he is still attracted to men, then he is still homosexual, he just doesn't (or doesn't admit to) engage(ing) in homosexual intercourse. If you are unable to differentiate between the orientation and the acts, I don't know how to explain it. If he doesn't do homosexual intercourse, and he goes to heaven, he's still homosexual and has therefore inherited the kingdom of God, yes? Besides which, didn't Jesus say something about lusting in your heart (being tempted) as being just as bad as doing the deed? REPENT!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 2, 2006 19:35:30 GMT -5
The bible defines a homosexual as one who engages in homosexual activities or one who submits to homosexual lust.
A homosexual is not one who is simply tempted with homosexuality. We are all tempted in many areas, but we are not guilty of these sins unless we submit to them and act upon them. Even Jesus Christ was tempted in all points yet without sin.
I tell homosexuals, "nobody chooses which temptations they are going to be tempted with. But all men choose which temptations they are going to obey".
Homosexuals, just as all other sinners, need to obey Jesus who said, "Deny yourself. Pick up your cross. And follow Me."
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 4, 2006 0:00:01 GMT -5
Just saw that shirt Jesse, that is sweet... almost as good as Jed's "JESUS SAVES from SIN and HELL" shirt.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 4, 2006 0:06:57 GMT -5
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