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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jun 9, 2006 1:24:07 GMT -5
CHURCHES across Germany are encouraging soccer fans to swap their barstools and pints for a pew and a prayer, hiring big screens to broadcast World Cup games to their congregations. More than 1000 churches and community centres will show the matches live as well as holding seminars and special services to encourage Christians to come together.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 9, 2006 2:00:22 GMT -5
Bier hier, Bier hier, Oder ich fall 'um! Sorry (not), felt the need for a German drinking song!!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 10, 2006 9:19:45 GMT -5
c.s. lewis drank and smoked. oh, i suppose--compared to you guys--he's a watered down, hypocritical, buffoon.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on Jun 11, 2006 23:42:12 GMT -5
As far as I know he wasn't even a christian... He was a catholic.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 12, 2006 0:49:23 GMT -5
As far as I know he wasn't even a christian... He was a catholic. Ah, no wonder I thought the movie was so kick-behind. You clearly disagree with him!! I did get the "subtle" subtext of God in the movie. It really seemed to convey a great message, lots of love even if they betrayed Aslan.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 12, 2006 10:53:37 GMT -5
... CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIAN AND VICE VERSA.
Where the hell do you get this idea that they are not christian? Oyah, because they don't hold your beliefs.
Good thing for you, 99.99% of people are going to hell, according to your belief. Of course, you belong in someone else's hell...
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Post by cervyy on Jun 12, 2006 12:02:01 GMT -5
It's because they don't agree with Catholics. That's how it boils down.
Differences shall not be tolerated!! Oi
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 12, 2006 12:03:34 GMT -5
Catholics are not Christian - Catholics believe in the co-redemtive nature of mary. They belive that you can pray to mary. This violates EVERY TENET of the New Testemant. There is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, Jesus Christ.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 12, 2006 12:10:53 GMT -5
Then we don't even need churches! In fact, we don't need you then!! Okay, you're free to leave people alone now.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 12, 2006 13:27:52 GMT -5
Exactly, why the hell are you telling us about Jesus? Let him tell us about his savings and all that bullshit. You are a disgrace to god, according to this, because you are trying to mediate us to Jesus. This is also known as a "contradiction."
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 12, 2006 18:40:27 GMT -5
catholics are not christians. hmm. so, if i am a baptist, methodists are not christians, because they sprinkle instead of immerse; neither are non-denominationals because they never make up their mind. the list goes on. i decide who isn't a christian, because they are not baptist.
this is a denominational issue, my fundamentalist friends. you have as many serious, theological/dogma flaws as do catholics, if not more.
why don't you stop telling people where they are going to end up, and start looking at your own life. start living your own life.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 12, 2006 20:46:45 GMT -5
this is a denominational issue, my fundamentalist friends. you have as many serious, theological/dogma flaws as do catholics, if not more.
Incorrect friend.
We fundies ALL believe that a person is saved by grace alone through faith alone in CHRIST ALONE.
I was once a Catholic and I know very well that the RCC teaches 'another' gospel and not the gospel of the Bible.
It doesn' matter whether you are a baptist, pentecostal, methodist, anglican, catholic or atheist, if you are not BORN AGAIN then you will spend eternity in hell.
Now I have met many baptists, pentecostals, methodists and anglicans who are BORN AGIAN. But still waiting to find a 'Born Again' Roman Catholic.
Maybe I will come across one when we O/A in downtown Sydney during the "Procession of the Blessed Sacrament" this Sunday.
This is where a piece of bread believed by Catholics to be the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ is carried in a gold receptacle through the streets and worshipped by the faithful.
Yep, sounds like Biblical Christianity to me or does it sound more like IDOLATRY?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 13, 2006 10:59:30 GMT -5
exactly right, doc h, a denominational issue. christians fight so much amongst themselves that it reminds me of sibling rivalry. what you said above was a denominational issue. you see them as wrong because they practice their faith in a way different than you.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 13, 2006 13:39:44 GMT -5
Well, if they're not white, aryan, and protestant... beep em!
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Post by Doc H on Jun 13, 2006 18:40:46 GMT -5
you see them as wrong because they practice their faith in a way different than you.
No, I see them wrong because God says in his word that they are wrong. That's the difference.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 13, 2006 18:47:43 GMT -5
Well, if they're not white, aryan, and protestant... f**k em!
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus". (Gal 3:28)
Doesn't matter whether you are black, white, atheist, protestant or catholic "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN".
That includes you friend.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 14, 2006 0:58:22 GMT -5
Isn't reincarnation, NOT Christian? Can I request to be a cat in my next life then? They have it good most of the time.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 14, 2006 9:02:13 GMT -5
Dogs get belly rubs.
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 14, 2006 15:20:37 GMT -5
I know some RC's who are Born Again, do believe in the Blood of Jesus alone for Salvation and do NOT pray to Mary etc etc....
Some would say, "They aren't Catholic"...
They are.
I spoke to them.
Know them.
Questioned them up and down.
When an RC says, "I believe in Grace alone, not works, not a priest, not Mary....etc etc"...well, I'm not going to call them a false Christian.
What SHOULD be said here is that the RC INSTITUTIONAL doctrines are false; some of the RC's are our Brethren
Sure, some will say that if they ARE they will "leave their church"...
Yeah?
Some would say YOU aren't saved because you don't pray in tongues...
No difference really.
You're promoting a works salvation by naming rules that must be followed in order to be a "true Christian" just as the official RC doctrine does.
God knows why some stay in that evil church, and we do not.
If they walk in Holiness and preach the Faith, and do not compromise, then they are closer to the Kingdom than the ones crying "They aren't saved!".
NO ONE has ANY Biblical authority to judge a man's Salvation based on where he attends church. (yes, on the Gospel and Holiness, but NOT where he sits each sunday!)
The Family of God consists of those who have repented of sin and have placed their Faith in Christ alone...
It does NOT consist of a church, a denomination or someone's personal ideas.
You cannot paint all catholics as Heathens just as you cannot paint all Holiness Believers as genuine.
To do so is an arrogance which, a syou see from this thread, even the heathens smell.
Sure, not all catholics are saved... but neither are many fundamentalists....
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 14, 2006 15:37:29 GMT -5
doc h, you mean what you interpret god to be saying...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 14, 2006 17:54:57 GMT -5
That was low, not a very nice person. That's the kind of wording the Nazi's used in their anti-jew campains.
Equating heathens to dogs. You know what? beep you.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 14, 2006 18:44:37 GMT -5
I'd rather be a dog then a "Christian" like thumy.
'Sides, dog is just God reversed!
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Post by cervyy on Jun 14, 2006 18:53:42 GMT -5
Heathen 1. One who adheres to the religion of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. 2 One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened. why thank you newsong. I love when they help. NOTE, REGARDED AS, meaning, from one or many people's perspectives, but may not be a true assumption. Like, I think you're a heathen newsong because you're UNCIVILIZED and UNENLIGHTENED.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 14, 2006 21:07:08 GMT -5
Nah, I don't mind being a dog =P. It's just his subtle way of trying to express that we are lower than him is what bugs me. I am not lower than him.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 14, 2006 23:15:58 GMT -5
Let him have his pride, it's all he has left now as a "Christian"
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 14, 2006 23:27:35 GMT -5
heathens are uncivilized? christians are the ones living by a book that was written during the stone age.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 15, 2006 19:00:11 GMT -5
Biblethumper,
I said I have not personally met any but I have met many who think they are "Born Again", these invariably belong to the Charismatic Renewal group.
The Mass is a pure work of IDOLATRY and denies the sufficiency of Christs ONE sacrifice. No born again Christian should ever participate.
If these friends of yours are truly born again then you must encourage them to leave the Catholic Church ASAP. They can evangelise from the outside not from the inside.
Luther tried and failed. So have many others including me.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 16, 2006 15:59:09 GMT -5
hmm. i seem to remember a biblical passage that warns against causing dissension amongst believers. how many denominations of christianity are there? funny...
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 14, 2006 21:06:25 GMT -5
Biblethumper, The Mass is a pure work of IDOLATRY and denies the sufficiency of Christs ONE sacrifice. No born again Christian should ever participate. Yes it is , besides their worship to Mary, and claiming their pope is a substitute god. Idol worship!!!!!!!!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jul 25, 2006 23:21:14 GMT -5
catholicism is christianity. remember, protestantism is the rebel, and the church paul created was soon after called the catholic church. honestly, whoever causes a church to break up seems to be the work of the devil.
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