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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 1, 2006 22:16:13 GMT -5
hmm. well, at least our songs are original.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 1, 2006 22:19:54 GMT -5
hmm. well, at least our songs are original. Why would you heathens want to be entertained by the prince of darkness?
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Post by abb on Aug 1, 2006 22:28:03 GMT -5
Are you honestly entertaining the idea that these songs were written by satan!?
Please do give us the thought process you used to get to that conclusion.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 2, 2006 2:05:32 GMT -5
satan targets christians. therefore, he is in your mass marketing, and voracious sense of consumerism. he is in your bracelets and t-shirts and all christian memorabalia that has nothing to do with the ministry of jesus christ. so, beware, the next time you consider putting a christian bumpersticker on your car.
the next ticket you get, even if you think you did nothing wrong, will ruin your witness. muhaha.
note: this is why the bible suggests you live in humility. walk the walk, and talk the talk, is part of it...sure...but your silent walk does more than your loud talk.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 2, 2006 21:46:25 GMT -5
Are you honestly entertaining the idea that these songs were written by satan!? Please do give us the thought process you used to get to that conclusion. I believe that there are popular songs that have been penned by demonic forces. However all one has to do and look at the message. These songs appear the tell the listener that they are their own master. That is what Satan told Eve in the garden. If you agree with that then you have been deceived. Because without the Bible man can not know the difference between good and evil.
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Post by abb on Aug 2, 2006 21:52:03 GMT -5
I have no bible, and I know the difference.
The bible itself doesn't know the difference; see the evil bible thread.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 2, 2006 22:00:02 GMT -5
I have no bible, and I know the difference. The bible itself doesn't know the difference; see the evil bible thread. Be not deceived, God is not mocked, for whatsoever a man sow so shall he reap.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 2, 2006 23:10:36 GMT -5
God is my b!tch. (Sorry, had to bypass the censors) Well I guess there are Christians that would rather play cutesy with you and patronize you abb. But the truth is someday you are going to burn in hell. Read the story about the rich man. He looked up in torment and in a "flame". That is going to be you abb. Some day it will all over but the gnashing of your teeth and your tears.
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Post by abb on Aug 2, 2006 23:18:51 GMT -5
I'll get over it. I'll live my life without god.
I have badass friends and a lovely girlfriend. I have everything I could ever want.
I live my life harming noone, hurting noone, only helping. I'm not only tolerant of others, but I welcome their ideas, unless their ideas fester intolerance.
Can you say that, honestly? Without lying to yourself? Can you say that to a homo? A muslim? Can you say that you are tolerant of his or her beliefs? Can you say that you like them for who they are, not what they believe in? Can you say that, Mr PACP?
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Post by oap001 on Aug 2, 2006 23:25:05 GMT -5
I'll get over it. I'll live my life without god. I have badass friends and a lovely girlfriend. I have everything I could ever want. I live my life harming noone, hurting noone, only helping. I'm not only tolerant of others, but I welcome their ideas, unless their ideas fester intolerance. Can you say that, honestly? Without lying to yourself? Can you say that to a homo? A muslim? Can you say that you are tolerant of his or her beliefs? Can you say that you like them for who they are, not what they believe in? Can you say that, Mr PACP? I can say that I would be ready to risk my life and die for any and all of the people you mentioned. I can say that I would treat them with compassion and respect and tolerance. I would help an AIDS patient..I would defend a Muslim. I would stand up for the pre-born. I would say things that make me unpopular with my Christian brothers and sisters, if I thought doing so is what God wanted...as opposed to making me liked. I would help you abb.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 2, 2006 23:36:56 GMT -5
Yes abb I would like them for who they are and I would stand with them at times when every one else would not. Can't you see that in my posting? That is what a Christian does. Christians are not weak and they are not afraid to fight. They stand by those who are the least.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 3, 2006 2:26:03 GMT -5
we know christians love to fight.
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Post by abb on Aug 3, 2006 17:52:57 GMT -5
Yet you want to change everyone, and make them christians;
You want to convert the homos.
How is that liking who they are?
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Post by oap001 on Aug 3, 2006 20:16:01 GMT -5
Yet you want to change everyone, and make them christians; You want to convert the homos. How is that liking who they are? I will respond more to this later as I've been thinking about it.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 3, 2006 21:06:07 GMT -5
Yet you want to change everyone, and make them christians; You want to convert the homos. How is that liking who they are? God does not want to change anyones personality. In the Bible you hear of people who were Christians and some were very well spoken and people of high stature. And others wore camels skin clothing and lived apart from others in the desert. The same is true today, Christians are from all nations and we have all within ourselves different life experiences. In fact I have a very good Christian friend who used to box with Larry Holmes and he looks like Randal "Tex" Cobs. (In other words..a brute) And I have Christian friends who are female and love literature and music. Everyone is different and God will use us to touch people's lives as the Spirit moves. Some are former homosexuals...and they are who they are...and they have reasons why they were homosexuals. God loves them/us...and we don't have to change ourselves to be acceptable to God. We don't have to run off somewhere and clean up. He will accept us for who we are and where we are. All we have to repent of to be saved.... is to repent of unbelief. 1) Understand that Jesus is God in the flesh and that He died for our sins and rose again. That we can not be good enough to earn our way to heaven. 2) Repent...agree that we are sinners and 3) Trust..place your complete dependence on Jesus's death and resurrection for salvation. Now that is something that everyone can do. It is the Spirit that works and makes us better people. A saved person would bear fruit and would stop sinning..but he or she would still be that person. It is a tolerant (of people) message. Just repent and trust... I think we get into trouble when we think...that other people must be exactly like us as Christians. God will finish what he starts in you and make you into the person that He wants. Everyone has spiritual gifts and who knows what God has in store for you. But you must be washed in the blood to gain remission for your sins. Isant that wonderful that God accepts us.
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Post by abb on Aug 3, 2006 22:27:48 GMT -5
A homo? I recall seeing signs with messages like "God hates fags."
Admit it man, you want to change who people are. You want them to be mindless drones. You want them to be baptist. You want them to be hetero. You want them to be YOU.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 3, 2006 22:56:57 GMT -5
A homo? I recall seeing signs with messages like "God hates f*gs." Admit it man, you want to change who people are. You want them to be mindless drones. You want them to be baptist. You want them to be hetero. You want them to be YOU. The God hates fag signs are from people who are from the Westboro Baptist Church. They are what is refereed to as hyper Calvinist's. In other words they think God has predestined people (homosexuals) to burn in hell. That is very far from the Christian message that is: the Son of Man has come to seek and SAVE that witch is lost. Hyper Calvinists need to get out of the way. It's not what I want. Not everyone is going to have my convictions. Believe me....It's not what other people think Christians should be....it's a matter of being washed in the blood. What kind of Christian you will be is between you and God. What are you going to to about your sins abb??
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Post by abb on Aug 3, 2006 23:02:41 GMT -5
I have no sins.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 4, 2006 2:26:03 GMT -5
pacp, if you honestly believe that some christians are extremists and are hurting the overall testimony of christians in general, then why don't you preach against hypocritical christians...instead of yelling insults at nonbelievers simply because they are different than you.
the christians need witnessing, not us, we have chosen to reject god. christians accept god and live in sin.
THAT, my friends, is the problem...
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Post by oap001 on Aug 4, 2006 10:13:05 GMT -5
pacp, if you honestly believe that some christians are extremists and are hurting the overall testimony of christians in general, then why don't you preach against hypocritical christians...instead of yelling insults at nonbelievers simply b18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. ecause they are different than you. the christians need witnessing, not us, we have chosen to reject god. christians accept god and live in sin. THAT, my friends, is the problem... First off abb..yes you have sin and be careful you sin will find you out. Dusty, possibly you didn't catch it in my post. And some people may not like me saying this. But the only people who are Christian are people who have repented and placed their 100% dependence on Christ alone for salvation. How can a hyper Calvinist be a Christian? Hypocritical christians..and we all can be guilty of this..are the ones who say: if you are a Christian you must look like me. You have said far.. far worse things than I have. I really consider going one on one with you as a kind of art. If you want to say ridicules things and blasphemy God and such...squaring off with you is not meant to insult you. It is meant to provoke thought and break the ice a little. And I know you know this Dusty. It doesn't hurt a testimony for me to face you like that. I realize that much gets lost in translation..but that is because we can't see each other. Also, I for one don't live in sin...so to say. I believe in living Holy. I do sin and when I do and I repent. No matter if you like it or not or if it feels good or not. You will have to see yourself as a sinner to get saved. I didn't like hell fire preaching when I was not saved..and now I love it.
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Post by abb on Aug 4, 2006 13:17:44 GMT -5
Wrong; sin is relative to your definition of sin.
I have no sin because I do not harm others, in any way, shape, or form. That is my personal definition of "sin", which applies quite nicely to me, because sin is relative.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 4, 2006 13:49:51 GMT -5
Wrong; sin is relative to your definition of sin. I have no sin because I do not harm others, in any way, shape, or form. That is my personal definition of "sin", which applies quite nicely to me, because sin is relative. You are wrong my frined. We are both sinners...
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Post by abb on Aug 4, 2006 22:46:52 GMT -5
*Sigh*, we're both sinners according to your version of sin.
According to my version, I am not, and neither are you, unless you go out of your way to hurt people.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 5, 2006 0:07:43 GMT -5
*Sigh*, we're both sinners according to your version of sin. According to my version, I am not, and neither are you, unless you go out of your way to hurt people. Has someone ever gone out of their way to hurt you?
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Post by cervyy on Aug 5, 2006 0:27:58 GMT -5
My personality is too question God, He really wants me to be a Christian who questions His power and existemce??
Interesting, then I'm set.
Also, just because I'm fanatically obsessed with Spamalot since I saw it ... a GOOD song!! (even if it doesn't have a heavy message behind it. It's a funny song, and sometimes you need a little entertainment)
His Name Is Lancelot Herbert: Lancelot you might as well just fess up Really you're a different kind of guy move aside your scabbard for underneath your tabard there is wating to escape a butterfly
Knights: his name is Lancelot and in tight pants alot he likes to dance alot you know you do (Lancelot: i do?) so just say thanks alot and try romance its hott lets find out who's really you! his name is Lancelot he visits France alot he likes to dance alot and dream no one would ever know that this outrageous rogue bats for the other team
Herbert: You're a knight who really likes his night life and by day you really like to play you can all find him pumping at the gym at the Camelot Y-M-C-A
Knights: His name is Lancelot just watch him dance alot he doesnt care what people say (Lancelot: no way!) oh when he starts to dance just grab your underpants
Herbert: He can finally come out and say that he is G-A-Y-...M-C-A!
Knights: hes gay!
Lancelot: okay!
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Post by wkufan on Aug 5, 2006 0:59:43 GMT -5
*Sigh*, we're both sinners according to your version of sin. According to my version, I am not, and neither are you, unless you go out of your way to hurt people. If you've ever hated anyone, you've committed murder in the eyes of God. Sin goes beyond "hurting people", it's a probe of your thought life and what's in your heart. God has given us His definition of sin and it's defined by His law. It's immaterial what people think sin is or isn't. Every person on this planet has sinned. Only those who have put their faith and trust in Jesus and repented from their sins will find salvation and reconciliation with God.
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Post by abb on Aug 5, 2006 1:14:24 GMT -5
Dear god man! How many times do I have to explain to you that SIN IS RELATIVE.
A KKK member thinks killing black people isn't sin.
You think harassing homos is not sin.
I think both of the above are "sin."
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Post by wkufan on Aug 5, 2006 1:25:51 GMT -5
Dear god man! How many times do I have to explain to you that SIN IS RELATIVE. A KKK member thinks killing black people isn't sin. You think harassing homos is not sin. I think both of the above are "sin." How many times must I say this: It's immaterial whether or not what a person believes a sin is--God has defined in His law what sin is. Whether a KKK member believes it's not sinful to kill a black person is not material. God will judge this person under His law, and no one else's.
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Post by abb on Aug 5, 2006 1:28:22 GMT -5
... *sigh*, I don't know what to say to you people anymore, right now. I'll answer this later.
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Post by wkufan on Aug 5, 2006 1:40:02 GMT -5
... *sigh*, I don't know what to say to you people anymore, right now. I'll answer this later. What's to understand? It's quite simple. God created the law and defines sin, not man. Our commandment is to pray, respect and love those who are counter to God's law. Now in relation to the "God hates f*gs" people--I don't think this method is pleasing at all to God. God hates sin, not the person. However, if you live outside of God's law, the Scriptures tell us, we're the child of the devil and not of light or an emeny of God. We are warned what happens if we don't live our lives in accordance with God's law--but we're not forced. Homosexuals are in desparate need of the salvation of Jesus (just as any other sinner is). My opinion is you approach them with love and compassion and without being judgmental--I am only concerned for their eternity. God desires no one person will be lost and all we can do is tell them the truth conveyed in the Scriptures. You can't force this upon anyone. It has to be their individual choice.
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