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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2006 12:01:51 GMT -5
Maine Parents Charged With Kidnapping Pregnant Daughter
Monday , September 18, 2006
SALEM, N.H. ā A Maine couple, infuriated that their 19-year-old daughter was pregnant, were being held Monday on charges that they tied her up, loaded her in their car and headed toward New York to force her to get an abortion, police said.
"Her parents chased her out into the yard, grabbed and tied her hands and feet together," Salem Police Officer Sean Marino wrote in a court affidavit. "Katelyn states that her father then carried her to their car and they headed toward New Hampshire."
Katelyn Kampf escaped Friday at a shopping center in Salem and called police, authorities said.
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The parents, identified as Nicholas Kampf, 54, and his wife, Lola, 53, of North Yarmouth, Maine, were to be arraigned Monday in Salem District Court by video from jail in Brentwood. If convicted of kidnapping, they face 7 1/2 to 15 years in prison.
Investigators said rope, duct tape, scissors and a .22-caliber rifle were found in the Kampfs' vehicle and Nicholas Kampf had a loaded .22-caliber magazine clip in his pants pocket.
The Kampfs were upset that their daughter was pregnant by a man who is now in jail, police said, and the kidnapping began with an argument Friday morning at the parents' home.
"Katelyn stated to me that upon her parents finding out that she was pregnant, they told her she had no choice but to get an abortion," Marino wrote in his court affidavit.
Katelyn Kampf escaped from her parents in Salem after persuading them to untie her so she could use a Kmart bathroom. After her father went into the men's room, she used a cell phone to call for help, then ran to a nearby Staples store, where police found "a hysterical female hiding in the back of the store," according to the affidavit.
The police accompanied Katelyn Kampf to the mall parking lot, where her parents were circling in their car. Katelyn Kampf got into Marino's cruiser while Sgt. Kristin Fili pulled over her parents and asked for their license and registration. When Lola Kampf opened the passenger side door, Fili spotted rope, duct tape and scissors, she said Monday.
"They told us initially they did take her here against her will, but they denied tying her up initially," Fili said. Although Katelyn Kampf was not injured, "Obviously what happened was a crime. She was taken against her will," she said.
Authorities filed a temporary restraining order against Nicholas and Lola Kampf on behalf of their daughter.
The couple, who have no notable police record, were being held in the Rockingham County Jail on $100,000 bail each. Police said they could face additional charges in Maine.
Authorities in Maine were investigating what led up to the kidnapping, but said the parents apparently thought that, in light of their daughter's stage of pregnancy and the different abortion laws in each state, the abortion should be performed in New York.
Cumberland County Sheriff Mark Dion told the Maine Sunday Telegram that detectives planned to interview medical providers to find out what advice the parents were given about the pregnancy.
"It's a pretty dramatic response to her being pregnant, some would say outrageous response," Dion said. "So before we draw conclusions, we need to flesh out the precursor facts."
Abortion laws in Maine prohibit the termination of pregnancy after the fetus is able to live outside the uterus, unless the mother's life or health is at stake. New York law prohibits abortions after the 24th week of pregnancy unless the mother's life is at stake.
He said the Kampfs, who formerly owned the State Theater in Portland, could face federal charges because they crossed state lines.
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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2006 12:05:40 GMT -5
I feel that it is appropiate to apologize on behalf on New York state and our sick laws. So sick that others would flock here to kill their children.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 18, 2006 13:05:01 GMT -5
That's just mean of the parents. She very could have kept that kid, granted it would be a hard life for her, but its her child. Those parents are grade A loonies.
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 18, 2006 15:21:00 GMT -5
I think it's a response to sin, actually. People usually don't want the 'evidence' of sin to be exposed, and they want to hide it. Granted, this is an extreme reaction. Wonder how they got from point A (not okay to be pregnant unwed by a man who is a known criminal) to point B (illegally kidnapping, possibly at gunpoint, and taking their daughter out of state due to it being a crime in their state). Maybe it's the old game of pick and choose which sins are sinful by man's standard, rather than looking to God's standard.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 18, 2006 15:29:06 GMT -5
Or they're just loonies and/or they don't believe in God so didn't see it as wrong (thou their approach really does say loonies).
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 18, 2006 15:52:16 GMT -5
Could they be loonies because they don't believe in God? A famous preacher (Charles Finney?? Jonathan Edwards??) once preached on Moral Insanity. His case was that because reason and a sound mind are rooted in God (2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.), if we don't believe in/obey God then we don't have the firmest grip on reality. I'm totally condensing the sermon, and not doing it justice. but you get the idea.
Well, guys (dale and CervyY), gotta go because my DH will be home from work any minute, and I've gotta rattle those pots and pans ;D Nice talking with you both this afternoon.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 18, 2006 15:56:33 GMT -5
I'll post this then for you to get back to later then.
In my experience there are loonies among your believers too. There are loonies EVERYWHERE in ALL religions. Saying that only "heathens" are a few french fries short of a happy meal?? Just another absurdaty (sp) that prevents me from converting to you religion.
There is honestly NO ONE who is completely mentally sound. Saying so (and especially only because they believe in your God) is quite impossible. You just have some people who are more adjusted then others. Meaning, they can hide it better then loonies like these parents.
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 18, 2006 19:58:18 GMT -5
What prevents you from converting to Christianity is your refusal to submit your will to God.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 19, 2006 2:27:27 GMT -5
I myself cannot submit to such lunacy. It doesn't make sense. I don't see how you think the Bible make sense or is absolutely true. I MENTALLY abd SPIRITUALLY cannot wrap my mind around it.
And if that means I'M crazy .... then that's the way God made me. If he wanted me to understand it , he would have made to be able to submit to nonsense.
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 19, 2006 8:30:52 GMT -5
And if that means I'M crazy .... then that's the way God made me. If he wanted me to understand it , he would have made to be able to submit to nonsense. You really don't get it. He HAS made a way, but YOU refuse to submit your will. But I am encouraged by the fact that you still hang around this mb.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 19, 2006 13:10:29 GMT -5
Trust me when I say I can't understand it. You're not in my head when I read some of the posts here. Maybe that's what you were told, but welcome to reality.
If my internship is going to be as much work as I think it might be, I won't be able to hang out (too bad, so sad). I'll have to focus help organize a humanitarian convention. Damn, a tough decision. I'll go with doing good in the world (and NOT by trying to force a religion on people)
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Post by valentine on Sept 19, 2006 20:13:06 GMT -5
Frecking sick, that is. You guys really don't need to post this kind of stuff for us. None of us heathens want to kidnap girls and make them end their pregnancies. And if any here do, I will fight them as vehemently as I fight my special fundie friends.
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Post by mahatma on Sept 27, 2006 13:11:08 GMT -5
This article seems to be about a couple of complete nutbars who were willing to kidnap their (adult) daughter and try to get a srgical procedure performed on her against her will. No matter what your beliefs, that's just crazy and I don't think anyone would approve of it. I'm not sure how this whole thing could be blamed on the laws of New York or any other state...or even how it is tied to religion. Crazy is crazy, no matter what or who you pray to.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 27, 2006 13:13:34 GMT -5
I tried telling them that, but they HAD to connect it to religion.
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Post by eric on Sept 27, 2006 14:24:49 GMT -5
This article seems to be about a couple of complete nutbars who were willing to kidnap their (adult) daughter and try to get a srgical procedure performed on her against her will. I agree! What kind of nut would force a surgical procedure on another person... RIDICULOUS!!! Against the Bill of Rights and of course the Bible... Oh yeah... over a million Americans have a 'surgical procedure' performed on them every year that is against their will... They're called children... and the procedure is called abortion.
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Post by mahatma on Sept 27, 2006 14:32:37 GMT -5
That's only true if you believe a fetus is a person. Apparently you do, but (and I know you will be surprised about this one) I do not. You are certainly welcome to your religious beliefs that they -are- people and that abortion is incredibly awful, but that's what they are...religious beliefs.
It sounds like you are trying to say that these people, who are clearly crazy and evil, condone abortion, therefore abortion is evil. That's like saying Hannibal Lecter liked fava beans, so fava beans are bad.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Sept 29, 2006 23:24:43 GMT -5
If a person beats up a pregnant women and the "fetus" dies in the attack, the attacker is charged with murder.
I agree that he should be charged with murder. Just like all abortionists should be!!
Some may call that "mean" or "harsh" or "cruel" but I call it justice.
But killing babies is truly mean, harsh, and cruel. And that is unjust!
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Post by mahatma on Sept 30, 2006 0:30:50 GMT -5
Killing babies truly is harsh, mean, and cruel. We have a basic disconnect on what we define as a baby. That's ok. But your definition is based firmly in your religious beliefs. Forcing christian law on a country that was never founded as a christian nation, and which has clear freedom of religion would be unreasonable.
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